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Title: Non-Speechwriting Iraq War Interrogator: Torture Hurt And Delayed Hunt For Bin Laden
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The Moral Low Ground
URL Source: http://morallowground.com/2011/05/0 ... re-delayed-bin-ladens-capture/
Published: May 4, 2011
Author: None
Post Date: 2011-05-10 12:58:17 by war
Keywords: Bosh Screwed, Up So Many, Times
Views: 8462
Comments: 23
“We don’t know all the details,” Alexander began. “One of the things that people aren’t talking about is the fact that one of the people that was confronted with this information that bin Laden had a courier is Skaykh al-Libi, who was held in a CIA secret prison and was tortured and who gave his CIA interrogators the name of the courier as being Maulawi Jan. And the CIA chased down that information and found out that person didn’t exist, that al-Libi had lied. And nobody is talking about the fact that al-Libi caused us to waste resources and time by chasing a false lead because he was tortured.” “The other thing that’s being left out of this conversation is the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed certainly knew the real name of the courier, whose nom de guerre or nickname was Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti. But Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had to have known his real name or at least how to find him, a location that we might look, but he never gave up that information. And so, what we’re seeing is that waterboarding and enhanced interrogation techniques, just like professional interrogators have been saying for years, always result in either limited information, false information or no information.” Alexander says torture actually hindered the hunt for Osama bin Laden. “When you look at the use of waterboarding and enhanced interrogation techniques in the case of the trail of evidence that leads to Osama bin Laden, what you find is, time and time again, it slows down the chase. In 2003, when we—or ’02, when we have Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, we have the person most likely to be able to lead us to bin Laden, and yet we don’t get to him until 2011. You know, by any interrogation standard, eight years is a long time to not get information from people, and that’s probably directly related to the fact that he was waterboarded 183 times.” “The other piece of the story that we don’t know yet is we don’t know how the CIA learned the real family name of the courier, who again, his nickname was Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti. And we don’t know how the CIA got his real family name, which really was the key piece of information that led us to be able to monitor phone calls and emails and discover his first name, his full name, which led to us finding him and then him leading us to the compound. So, until we have that information, which we don’t even know if it came from interrogations or if it came from a source, then we really don’t have a complete picture of how we got to bin Laden.” Alexander is convinced that not torturing suspected terrorists gets better results than employing “enhanced interrogation techniques.”
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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
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Hmmm...whom to believe...an ACTUAL military interrogator or a Boy Blunder speech writer...hmmm...
The guy is nothing more than an anti-"torture" zealot. We all know those milquetoast jackwagons exist As Thiesen said (correctly), you don't waterboard to get information, you waterboard to get cooperation. Waterboarding worked.
What's probably related to that is that they got any information at all.
Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques “didn’t provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information.” He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, “everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work.” “The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003,” said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. “It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgment that Bin Laden was likely to be living there.”
Who said they did? It was an amalgamation of intelligence techniquues of which enhanced interrogation played an integral and essential part. Anyone who is being honest admits that.
Let's see...interrogation experts...or Padlock...interrogation experts or Padlock...hmmm...
When did KSM refuse to divulge information? He LIED about the courier AFTER being waterboarded, Padlock.
He gave up the courier's code name.
#12. To: no gnu taxes (#11)
Bullshit.
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#2. To: war (#1)
Even if torture did somehow prove to be 100% effective, Alexander still says he would never resort to it.
#3. To: no gnu taxes (#2)
You know, by any interrogation standard, eight years is a long time to not get information from people, and that’s probably directly related to the fact that he was waterboarded 183 times.”
#4. To: war (#3)
and that’s probably directly related to the fact that he was waterboarded 183 times.”
#6. To: no gnu taxes (#4)
#7. To: war (#6)
If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003
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#9. To: war (#8)
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#11. To: war (#10)
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