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Opinions/Editorials Title: An Open Letter to Judge Parker@LP from buckeroo@LF Judge Parker - I see the LP Kloaughns ganging up on you at LP. You are a fine poster and there is no need for that sort of nonsense as WhiteSands, Gatlin, harrowup and their esteemed client, "yukon" have created. Come on over to LF and eventually leave LP. Although I can't speak for others on LF, I can say that you are an excellent poster worthy of respect and admiration similar to many others that have a personal opinion without gang warfare tactics. Judge, LP has descended into the caveland-dwellers days of thousands of yesteryears of crude prehistoric prehumans. You need not waste your excellent posts upon mere cretins, they don't understand how to understand your concepts, ideas or opinions. Best Regards! POST follows:
#11. To: WhiteSands (#9) Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 13. Today is an interesting day. Ten years ago two days from now I lost my Free Republic account. Five years ago I tried to sign on at eLPee and discovered Goldi banned me. Both times merely because of political reasons. Happy May Day. International Workers of the World, unite against your oppressors.
James McMurtry "We can't make it here"
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3) (Edited) Today is an interesting day. Ten years ago two days from now I lost my Free Republic account. Five years ago I tried to sign on at eLPee and discovered Goldi banned me. Interesting. I have been banned on just about every political chit-chat channel under the Sun for some reason, some of the reasons are entirely mine, too. As an example in 2001, I was banned at FR for my stance against GWBush and the Zionist political blockade about Veronica's nasty attitude. So, I joined LF (LF was known as LibertyForum by John Deere) I loved that channel, too. It was perhaps the largest political chit-chat channel on the Internet at the time; perhaps to this day, too. And, BadJoe invited me to LP in 2003. The very first post to me was by unamused also from FR days. Unamused started the Lepers email system and later initiated FU which has essentially died, too. Christine, as most know, started 4um as a result of LP's failures AND FU's failures. Stone created LF because of FU. But, LP was the best test of a battle ground for many people that have the guts to recognize how fascism has overtaken the USA in the way of loss of individual freedoms, liberties and rights. There was no discussion of 0bama then ... oh no .... it was a tug 'o war about how to quell 9/11 based on USA strength. And lookie here... America is more at war today than ever before, even with a renewed Congress and a US President. It is an ever-ending toilet bowl flush. That is America these days. The government is so caught up with the world it has no place in the America [I knew as a child growing up] anymore. Anyone signing up to go to Washington DC is sucked into a BLACKHOLE similar to FR or LP and there is no coming back to sanity based on common sense or the US Constitution.
#6. To: buckeroo (#4) (Edited) The people don't run the U.S. anymore, and the Constitution is observed only enough to give plausible denial to the notion things are broken. We have corporations free to go for the most desperate labor market they can find and the biggest perks offered to move their plants and concerns there. The Chinese have been the smartest player in this game and have reaches a point where they are almost eclipsing is. Many of those I know feel that the age of America will end by 2016. The ability to print the dollar to get us out of debt as the world's reserve community will end as this role is dismissed and we can't do this any more. We see the cracks forming as we can no longer control inflation and fuel costs hemorrhage. We will see a great deal of unrest and fighting as we can't help but let the poor starve and the old die for want of medical care. When the dollar no longer is the interface currency for trade, we will see real suffering, and things like what happened at Haymarket Square where cops breaking up striking workers were killed creating the Haymarket martyrs who had nothing to do with that act die unjustly at the end of a rope, rot in prison, or commit suicide. There will be blood and unrest that will cause a great backlash. A threshold of decision will come upon us as a nation where we either decide to be as repressive as China and go for managing for public docility, or have a rebirth of freedom and a renewed commitment to the ideals of the Founding Fathers and framers of the Constitution. With the Koch Brothers and many others buying repressiveness and control and really working to create a fascist state. They feel that if they create the fascist marriage of corporation and government that controls people hard and fast, they can prevent the unrest and turmoil. They are anything but stupid about things and can see what is happening. People need to get out of lala land and wake up. They need to get educated and form associations and fraternal bonds that can keep people focused away from destructive asts like the dynamite bomb at Haymarket Square blamed on striking iron workers and not give the powers that be the excuse to kill, maim and imprison. We need to take control as a people and do it firmly and peacefully, with adherence to democratic and Constitutional principles, if we want to insure it will be able to happen at all with as little suffering and bloodshed as possible. We need to have focus and will to firmly demand that those in power in government and those who control them follow their lead back to the checks and balances of power in government the Constitution was originally supposed to provide.
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#6) Good post, Mike. Let me ask you a question as a function of your statement:
A threshold of decision will come upon us as a nation where we either decide to be as repressive as China and go for managing for public docility, or have a rebirth of freedom and a renewed commitment to the ideals of the Founding Fathers and framers of the Constitution. What do you think that threshold is? I mean is it further government intervention upon and/or the intrusion of the citizenry? Or do you think it is the other way, that is, government not as intrusive?
#9. To: buckeroo (#7) (Edited) "What do you think that threshold is? I mean is it further government intervention upon and/or the intrusion of the citizenry? Or do you think it is the other way, that is, government not as intrusive?" Government has less money to do what the need to do because the tax base is hemorrhaging. People do not have the spending power anymore to support business or give government what they need to work in a Constitution manner, so those international financial entities controlling the process of defunding government and business by destroying the spending power of the citizenry will try to call the shots. They will make a move. And if they can create chaos, death and destruction that will mask their gambit and make them seem like heroes when they do this, more the better for them. Like that old joke of the game warden telling the guy he is trying to stop fishing in an illegal way by talking to him as they row the boat across the lake together, they will hand government a lit strike of dynamite and ask, "are you going to talk and try to reason with us, or throw the dynamite and fish?" They know what they are doing and in a very Machiavellian way are maneuvering to make a move for complete control. A control where their is no pretense they are in charge, and people know better than to act like they run things any more.
The money men will be in control of this operation, but it is the iron fist of the government that will be instrumentalized to do this.
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9) so those international financial entities controlling the process of defunding government and business by destroying the spending power of the citizenry will try to call the shots. How?
They will make a move. And if they can create chaos, death and destruction that will mask their gambit and make them seem like heroes when they do this, more the better for them. Why?
They know what they are doing and in a very Machiavellian way are maneuvering to make a move for complete control. A control where their is no pretense they are in charge, and people know better than to act like they run things any more. Whom are "they" ... just asking, of course.
The money men will be in control of this operation, but it is the iron fist of the governemt that will be instrimentaliszed to do this What makes you think "they" aren't already in control? After all, when you ever see any politician run for elected office, do you ever see the same suggest MORE individual rights, liberties and freedoms and dignity?
#13. To: buckeroo (#10) (Edited) "Why?" Because the rich and powerful always want more wealth and power. China likes their governmental stability and we horrify them with a governmental system they see as whimful and capricious. They tire of changing administrations and working with different players every few years. Corporations often feel much the same way. They want to create a stable and static governance engineered for stability and control, free from most of the illusion that the public owns and controls the government. That makes it easier to keep a static statis quo. To them it's good for business. and they feel what is good for business is best for everyone. They feel that if people just have enough to live their lives without what they see as unrealistic expectations of rising higher on the social and economic ladder, it will be a good thing. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, so I remember the lesson of Orwell's' Animal House. They will posture themselves as saviors and curry public opinion to encourage people to look upon them as great men and saviors. But in the end, the people will be like the other animals on the farm looking through the window at the dining farmers and pigs and thy all will look the same as they glance from pig/bureaucrat to farmer/industrialist and not see a difference between anyone sitting at the table of privilege.
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