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New World Order Title: Obama's Birth Certificate: Not the Issue Bangkok, Thailand April 29, 2011 - Of course, a candidate must meet legal requirements before running for public office. This is a universally agreed upon concept which has been enumerated in laws in every nation, since the beginning of human civilization. However, for those who deeply examine the United States and how it has drifted from a constitutional republic to the corporate-financier oligarchy it is today, they might realize the futility of arguing over "President" Obama's qualifications for an office that has long been ceremonial, if not entirely theatrical. ![]() Like it or not, your real government consists of unelected bankers and corporate special interests. The argument that Obama' birth certificate makes-or-breaks his legitimacy pales in comparison to the realization that the entire office of the president has been usurped for at least 2 decades. The corporate-financier agenda transcends presidencies. From Reagan to Obama, US foreign and domestic policy has moved in a continuously linear direction toward increasing corporate-financial monopolies and eroding the role and sovereignty of the US Constitution and the people who are supposed to execute it. In 1991, "Neo-Conservative" war monger Paul Wolfowitz stated that the Middle East would be turned upside down and reordered in America's favor - ironically, this operation which has been piecemeal planned and executed year-by-year since then, is finally unfolding in its entirety under the supposedly "liberal" Obama administration. Subscribe to *The Two Parties ARE the Same* Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: hondo68, *The Two Parties ARE the Same*, *Bill of Rights-Constitution*, *Crime and Corruption*, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites*, *Economic News*, *Politics and Politicians* (#0) However, for those who deeply examine the United States and how it has drifted from a constitutional republic to the corporate-financier oligarchy it is today, they might realize the futility of arguing over "President" Obama's qualifications for an office that has long been ceremonial, if not entirely theatrical. This needs to be shouted from the rooftops. The problem is the very people whose job it is to shout it from the rooftops in this electronic age are owned by the same international bankers that own the corporations that own the politicians. The corporate-financier agenda transcends presidencies. From Reagan to Obama, US foreign and domestic policy has moved in a continuously linear direction toward increasing corporate-financial monopolies and eroding the role and sovereignty of the US Constitution and the people who are supposed to execute it. Which is exactly why I have been calling President Homie "Bush 4.0" ever since he took office. That weasel bastard Poppy Bush and his cronies started subverting Reagan the day he took office. Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his VP because the RNC threatened to withold support for his run for the WH if he didn't accept Poppy.
Had John McCain won the elections in 2008, you could rest assured he would have taken US policy in the exact same direction Obama is going today. And being more experienced with more and better contacts,he would have probably been more successful. Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth.His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions. BINGO! The fact that our president is in charge of absolutely nothing and that his duties have long been shifted to an unelected corporate-financier oligarchy is the issue, not his dubious qualifications. The author of this piece has summed it up about as well as I have ever seen,but he doesn't take it far enough because he doesn't even mention the politically powerful supporting cast that makes all this possible. US Senators and Congresscritters that are owned outright by the international bankers. The voters could all get together and elect a 21st Century Thomas Jefferson at this point and he would be powerless to change things because he would have both the DNC AND the RNC working against him,as well as the US Senate and the US Congress. The ONLY way to change things is start at the local level and work your way up. Get a solid conservative pro-American base from the local to the state and federal level so a new president has the political support he needs to pass new laws,throw out old laws,eliminate bureaucracies,and change foreign policies. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #2. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#1) The ONLY way to change things is start at the local level and work your way up. Get a solid conservative pro-American base from the local to the state and federal level so a new president has the political support he needs to pass new laws,throw out old laws,eliminate bureaucracies,and change foreign policies. I haven't seen you this excited in years about an article; and it is a good article, too. But, your idea won't work. The large population centers all around the USA control the electoral college and that voting block is typically based on poor folks that enjoy handouts from Uncle Scam. The messes America is involved with, both foreign and domestic, are unrepairable with a constituentcy that has torn the nation from the bottom to the top; it can not be fixed and that is why you see no one advancing REAL change back towards a small government on any level, anywhere. The incremental suicide that America has perpetrated upon itself from about 1897 (the Spanish American War) has placed us into hopelessness with one singular method .... so far, no one wants to pull the ripcord.
#3. To: buckeroo (#2) I haven't seen you this excited in years about an article; Me,either. It may be the most defining article I have seen posted about the problems we have today and why we have them. If I had my way,this would be mandatory reading for every high school student in the country. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #4. To: buckeroo (#2) The large population centers all around the USA control the electoral college and that voting block is typically based on poor folks that enjoy handouts from Uncle Scam The beer is still cold. When the power goes out and they're forced to drink those four-oohs warm, you'll see REAL change.
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg... #5. To: hondo68, sneakypete (#4) The beer is still cold. When the power goes out and they're forced to drink those four-oohs warm, you'll see REAL change. Exactly my point. I used to share Pete's well-articulated perspective about addressing local government concerns FIRST and then moving on to county, state and federal governance. It is in the forefront of the Libertarian Party's methods towards a desired outcome to diminish large government and return the power base back to the local level. And for years, there has only been some good results but way below my expectations. The American People don't give a shit other than a free handout while enjoying a cold one during their daily couch potatoe activities. Taken with the current "average" American's considerations for REAL change, the demographics as well as anyone can vote it is nearly impossible to change this nation. Keep in mind that what made America GREAT was not a large electoral constituency during the first one hundred years of America. It was a small one; wherein those that voted normally owned land and added value back to the communities where they worked; that same value created the greatest nation on the Earth. But, today, we have mostly everyone that can vote: from illegals to welfare recipients to federal/state/local retirees that collect HUGE amounts of earnings based on government handouts while doing little other than complaining they want more. It is a hopeless America, anymore. And there can be no change to impede the current dynamics other than ONE: REVOLUTION.
#6. To: buckeroo, hondo68 (#5) It is a hopeless America, anymore. And there can be no change to impede the current dynamics other than ONE: REVOLUTION. You may well be right,but my position is and will remain that there are only two options. 1: Work within the political system to enact changes. 2: Pick up your rifle and go into politics. Once option 2 is picked there is no going back. Many people will die and many more will suffer greatly. I will always resist option 2 as long as I have the option to resist it. Once people start coming after me with rifles is when I will pick mine up,and if I am ever forced to do that I will show no mercy. Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #7. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#6) 1: Work within the political system to enact changes. Lets forget about option 2 and move on with your option 1 idea:
I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process. Working within a failed political system? Your vote is worthless anymore. There is no political party that you can rely on or cling to for renewed capabilities for any reformation of government. The largest reason is that there are no voter qualifications to be found, anywhere. You have no idea about the educational level, the ability to read/write much less understand the issues presented in America's voting constituents that have effected the so-called "progress" in America. You are in effect, wasting your time. Proof is in the pudding, too. No one can repair the systems that the People have voted for. And starting out at the local level means to me that voter qualifications are in order. However, that can't occur because of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STRICT ADHERENCE TO FAIR ELECTIONS. But, what is a "FAIR ELECTION" anyway? Where the People are continuously trashed by absurd policies&procedures that were voted in by folks that can barely sign their names on a voter registration card? Why does an illegal alien get to subtract my vote for real change? In fact, why are there MILLIONS of illegal aliens in America? But, the illegals are just one issue out of thousands of which are trashing America and American values. There are no REAL voter qualifications other than being a biped; without real voter qualifications it is impossible to have a true representative government of the citizenry.
#8. To: buckeroo (#7) without real voter qualifications it is impossible to have a true representative government of the citizenry. Which is why you go back to the founders vision. Jettison egalitarianism and permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land, i.e. land and property owners, military and career professionals vote. No one else. Especially not welfare recipients. war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore. #9. To: buckeroo (#2) it is a good article, too. Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’?? #10. To: Rudgear (#8) Which is why you go back to the founders vision. Jettison egalitarianism and permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land, i.e. land and property owners, military and career professionals vote. No one else. Especially not welfare recipients. So the foreigners who own tons of our real estate get to vote, while those who rent do not? Seriously? "Thats because your basically and idiot. #11. To: no gnu taxes (#9) The issues HAVE NEVER BEEN ABOUT 0bama's qualifications; it has always been about the People that vote these charlatans into office. There are no voter qualification requirements other than being able to cross your fingers that you are on a voter roster and signing for the same. If voters don't have qualifications how in the HELL can you expect anyone in an elected position to have any?
#12. To: go65 (#10) permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land. Foreigners and the corporate communists who enabled outsiders to get a stranglehold on the people of this country clearly do not fall under my observation. More clearly: no. They don't have an integral stake in maintaining a Constitutional republic. The seek the very socialist regime the left does with one minor detail. They seek to control the means, not own it. war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore. #13. To: sneakypete (#6) Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. I applaud your sentiments. In response, however, I will offer an extended quote from Claire Wolfe:
CONTROL REIGNS Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai"
#14. To: hondo68 (#0)
#15. To: sneakypete (#6) (Edited) Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. IMO they're never going to come out and announce either. It will continue incrementally. It'll keep getting harder and harder to get arms and ammo, and less places will accept cash. There will never be an official announcement like... we're going to be F'n with Sneakypete today, taking his guns and cash, and issuing a homie credit card.
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg... #16. To: buckeroo (#7) (Edited) Working within a failed political system? Your vote is worthless anymore. There is no political party that you can rely on or cling to for renewed capabilities for any reformation of government. The largest reason is that there are no voter qualifications to be found, anywhere. Sounds like you are ready to move to the voting with bullets level. I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever. In the meantime I will continue to try working within the system to convince people to take a political stand and hold the politicians heels to the fire. If I am successful,GREAT! If I'm not successful,I'm not out a thing. As long as you remain at option 1 you have choices. You can make adjustments to your strategy and hope to be successful. If worse comes to worse you can always go to option 2. The biggest problem with going to option 2 is that once you go there there is no going back to option 1 until the revolution is over. If I ever do go that far,I may be the most reluctant revolutionary in history. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #17. To: Rudgear (#8) Which is why you go back to the founders vision. Jettison egalitarianism and permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land, i.e. land and property owners, military and career professionals vote. No one else. Especially not welfare recipients. A BIG AMEN to that! And if it happens it will start to happen at the grass roots level with people like us. WE have to teach OUR children to have pride for accomplishments achieved,not just being born. We also need to teach them right from wrong and a sense of shame for doing wrong. Then we need to instill in them a sense of duty that includes passing these traits on to others. We have to do it at the grass roots level by taking over local school boards so OUR side has some influence on what is taught and how it is taught. THIS is how the left took over this country. They started at the local elementary and high school level by infiltrating the teachers colleges and the school boards. If we start doing this instead of home schooling,we can make a difference. That's just the beginning,but if you/we/they don't start at this basic level nothing will ever be accomplished at a higher level. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #18. To: go65, buckeroo, all (#10) So the foreigners who own tons of our real estate get to vote, while those who rent do not? No. BTW,people like you are a perfect example of why we need to take over the school boards and the teachers colleges. I have no doubt you have a college degree,and you went to school all those years and never even learned how to reason. Rich foreigners won't be able to vote because they aren't citizens. I am NOT slamming you,I am just pointing out that this is so basic and so obvious nobody that grew up in this country and was educated beyond the 5th grade should even consider asking questions like that. YOU even know better yourself. You just couldn't be bothered to think about it because all the noise of your political dogma barking drowned out the voice of reason. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #19. To: sneakypete, Rudgear (#17) property owners If they do that. Then I'm going to buy some land and sell one square foot lots.
#20. To: hondo68 (#15) IMO they're never going to come out and announce either. I disagree. I am 100% convinced that what is happening is happening by design in order to have society crash to the point where a state of anarchy exists so that Steve and Sarah Sheeple start screaming for the government to "Do something! Do ANYTHNG,BUT MAKE US SAFE!" The end result of this will be a call to disarm the populace to and go to a cash free society in order to reduce crime. Face it,most crime is based on cash,and the crime that is for jealousy or revenge usually involves weapons of one type or another. Just going to a cash-free society alone will probably eliminate 90% of the crime. And when they do this the people will stand up and applaud them unless they are educated to what is going on and open their eyes first. Yeah,a cash-free economy WILL eliminate maybe 90% of the crime and make people safer. There is no way to argue with that because it's true. The argument you CAN make is that giving up your freedoms and becoming serfs of the state is a poor tradeoff for your freedoms. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #21. To: A K A Stone (#19) property owners Good luck with that. Most people don't even vote right now,and it's free. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #22. To: sneakypete (#21) Ever heard. Don't know what you got til it's gone?
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22) Ever heard. Don't know what you got til it's gone? Heard it????? I live it. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #24. To: sneakypete (#23) Heard it????? I live it. What do you miss, if I may ask?
#25. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#23)
------------------------------------- #26. To: Biff Tannen, sneakypete, cz82, Murron (#25) Here listen to this.
#27. To: A K A Stone (#26) omg, the hair!!! and the Pagey double-neck Gibson!!!! You don't know what you got, until you looooose it. ------------------------------------- #28. To: A K A Stone (#26) Don't know what you got till it's gone I've never heard of this band, let alone the song, but I'm glad you included me, I liked it, very eerie, prophetic.
#29. To: Murron (#28) They actually have quite a few good songs. They were from the 80's.
#30. To: sneakypete (#18) Rich foreigners won't be able to vote because they aren't citizens. So what's the point of granting land owners the right to vote when so much of the land is owned by foreigners and banks? I really have no idea what you think you will accomplish. "Thats because your basically and idiot. #31. To: go65 (#30) So what's the point of granting land owners the right to vote when so much of the land is owned by foreigners and banks? I am not surprised a One World cretin like you doesn't understand why only citizens should be able to vote. I really have no idea what you think you will accomplish. Obviously being an American means nothing to you,unless it is shame. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #32. To: sneakypete (#31) I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does. I hope this format becomes more common in the future. #33. To: Ferret Mike (#32) I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out..... I'm sure it does. People can move and vote several times before election day. and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does. So what? What does it do to prevent illegal aliens,non-citizens,non-residents,dead people,imaginary people like Disney characters,and people from voting from multiple addresses? High voter turn out should never be the goal. LEGITIMATE voters should be the goal. I realize this would reap havoc on places like Chicago,Philly,Detroit,and other Dim enclaves,but it needs to be done. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #34. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#16) I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever. In my post #7, re: your post#6, I intentionally ignored your option #2. Let us take a peek at it for another moment, before it is lost in the Internet cloud:
2: Pick up your rifle and go into politics.
Once option 2 is picked there is no going back. Many people will die and many more will suffer greatly. I will always resist option 2 as long as I have the option to resist it. Once people start coming after me with rifles is when I will pick mine up,and if I am ever forced to do that I will show no mercy.
Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process. You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired. Now, turn your eyes back to BIG_BROTHER on TV and keep your mouth shut.
#35. To: buckeroo (#34) You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired. LOL! Ok,if you say so. BTW,if I am mistaken and by "too late" you mean the fascists have already won and it is too late to fight.",my response is it is NEVER too late to fight. Winning is nice,but not essential. What is essential is that your cause be just and you no other options than to fight. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #36. To: sneakypete (#35) BTW,if I am mistaken and by "too late" you mean the fascists have already won and it is too late to fight. "Resistance is futile" to use a borrowed term from Star Trek days (sequencing The_Borgs) but be my guest and try. A) Increasing business transactions ARE by electronic methods (cashless) these days and shall continue in this way into the future. B) Increasing federal/state/local codes/laws/insurance requirements/rules/regulations/restrictions ARE occurring to control or limit the possession/procurement/use of firearms and shall continue in this way into the future. It is the analogy of the lobster in the pot being roasted to death. Little by little, you can't feel the changes until the very end. And then, despite, all your screaming, it is too late.
#37. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#35) (Edited) Back to your post on #6:
Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. As a preface to this post directed towards you, I have always enjoyed your posts even if I don't post much in agreement or otherwise; I think our largest disagreements has been with respect to the IRA as you take an entirely contrary position as myself. But, I want to comment on this above naive statement by yourself as it is deceptive what I know to be of and about your good character and provides a sense of ignorance about yourself that I don't think has ever been revealed before since 1998 until now on several forums. To begin with, the days of making an official proclamation by any organized government body are over with the singular exception about personalities in the official government arena called "elected government." It is nothing more than a charlatan show of sometimes new bright, pretty smiles all the way to the bank for personal wealth and power and if nothing else the personal lavish of all the "perks" that society offers to these high&mighty officials. It makes the masses "feel" a change has occurred because of their exercise of punching a chad at the ballot box. You know there is no "officiating" change of policy&procedure, too. It is a creeping or gradual change towards only one goal: the usurpation of individual rights, liberties and freedoms and you know this is true because of the HUGE growth of government on all levels; in fact, where have you sen ANY level of government relinquish control over its POWER about individuals in America? It isn't a rhetorical question as it aimed towards the nexus of and about your own statement that I have re-quoted in this post. As a clear example: where is a formal declaration of war for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam and as far back as Korea and literally hundreds of other skirmishes, police actions, hostiles actions, humanitarian efforts and yada yada yada that America is created around the world? There are none PERIOD other than some weak funding by either omission or commission of Congress. But for the People of America, there hasn't been any officiating or formal declaration of War by Congress since WW2. And, herein is why I think your own statement is either oblivious to what is going on around you or that maybe you just didn't make yourself clear. Let me repeat your incredibly over-simplified statement for your own reference:
Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
#38. To: buckeroo (#37) Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too. I disagree with your premise. You are comparing apples and oranges. The government will issue a proclamation they are going to a cashless society in response to public calls for them to "Do something! Do ANYTING,but make us safe!". Which falls right into line with their plans. And there is nothing unique about this. Several years ago they announced no more checks for Social Security and VA disability checks. It would all be done through electronic banking. I understand they are even doing this now with welfare,food stamps,and other welfare payments. Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal. Banks,credit unions,phone companies,electric companies,etc,etc,etc would have to set up a whole new billing and collection system,and I am sure there are other complications I haven't even considered that would have to be dealt with. Not to mention the inevitable grace period allowing people to turn in their cash for credits and pay income tax on the previously hidden cash with no penalties or interest. The fact that it would be impossible to cheat the government out of taxes in a cash free society convinces it WILL happen. There is no way the gubbermint is going to continue to bypass a sure fire method of extracting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers that don't have the wealth or connections needed to avoid having to pay taxes. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #39. To: buckeroo, sneakypete (#36) It is the analogy of the lobster in the pot being roasted to death. Little by little, you can't feel the changes until the very end. And then, despite, all your screaming, it is too late. Who is John Galt? Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #40. To: Ferret Mike (#32) I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does. Response? All I can think of is the old woman, smoking a pipe, laughing, at the river crossing ferry in the movie "Outlaw Jose Wales". Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #41. To: Wood_Chopper (#39) (Edited) A literary character who, in a spectacular feat of technology, hijacked the airwaves and then proceeded to give the most boring speech ever recorded in modern history... Oh...he also fucked Dagney Taggert after she was raped by Hank Reardon... America...My Kind Of Place... #42. To: war (#41) Dagney Taffert Taggert, ya moron. Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #43. To: Wood_Chopper (#42) Typo...thanks... America...My Kind Of Place... #44. To: war (#43) Typo...thanks... OK. Now, I await to point out your next speling mistake. Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #45. To: Wood_Chopper (#39) Who is John Galt? Who is Winston Smith?
#46. To: buckeroo (#45) Ask O'Brien...he was the last one to see him... America...My Kind Of Place... #47. To: Wood_Chopper (#44) Chuckles...isn't that Padlock's job? America...My Kind Of Place... #48. To: war, buckeroo (#46) Huh? What? Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #49. To: war (#47) Chuckles...isn't that Padlock's job? I'm not padlock. I'm also not Fred. Nor war. Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #50. To: Wood_Chopper (#49) Isn't everyone who's not Yukon everyone else? America...My Kind Of Place... #51. To: war (#50) Isn't everyone who's not Yukon everyone else? That's pretty much impossible to argue against. Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #52. To: war (#46) Excellent reply.
#53. To: war (#41) (W_C)Who is John Galt? have you looked about you? Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #54. To: Wood_Chopper (#53) I always check my sixes...why? America...My Kind Of Place... #55. To: war (#54) I always check my sixes...why? No reason. Carry on. Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #56. To: sneakypete (#38) buckeroo, pleading for Pete to have some dignity: Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too. Again, as I have said up the thread, I have never seen you so excited and here you are disagreeing with me based on your lack of substance. Let's further examine your attempt at rebuttals, shall we?
I disagree with your premise. You are comparing apples and oranges. Now, you are just using common jargon to suggest I am confused by your own statements of waiting for a formal declaration by government authorities to remove certain individual rights and dignities. You have little by using colliquial jargon, too.
The government will issue a proclamation they are going to a cashless society in response to public calls for them to "Do something! Do ANYTING,but make us safe!". Which falls right into line with their plans. Pete, pete, pete please dispense with the nonsense; you are driving me into riveting belly laffter normally reserved for clowns that don't have a clue to the world around us. With the US Social Security Act, the SSN was never to be used for personal information purposes. Yet, look around us from tax filing, to credit cards to bank loans to property loans and a personal checking account, your SSN is required for EVERYTHING in business transactions. The limits of cash payments for business are decreasing from the DHS requirements to report any transactions of $10,000 and above, too. In fact, there was a recent 1099 requirement by the 0bama Medical Plan to report ALL transactions to the IRS above 600 bucks (although temporarily rescinded), the US government has continuously searched for ways and methods to speed rapid tracability of cash transactions. You can't get a REAL job in America without a SSN. You can't get paid without a SSN; you can't legitimitely own a car without a SSN. You are tracked EVERYWHERE to include your private property tax rolls based on a SSN. Of course, that assumes you are working within the system. And most Americans work within the system. And for business transactions ALL government and private and often personal transactions are electronic in nature. I don't even receive a paycheck anymore; I receive a paper receipt that the funds were electronically transferred to my bank account wherein I dole out the funds further towards all payments by electronic transactions; I rarely use a post stamp or a paper check anymore and this is true for most Americans living in the modern world. The system is easy to track and easy to to discover errors but it is all designed without the end consumer in mind. In fact, electronic fund transfers are for easy government intrusion and a method to obscure or cloud the rate of inflation, a true tax upon the American People because of the failure of modern government.
And there is nothing unique about this. Several years ago they announced no more checks for Social Security and VA disability checks. It would all be done through electronic banking. It is ease of disbursement, allows easy tracking and minimises costs.
I understand they are even doing this now with welfare,food stamps,and other welfare payments. I hear that food stamps are now via a debit card issued by the USDA. No paper at all.
Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal. That has already happened, pal. It is YOUR SSN.
Banks,credit unions,phone companies,electric companies,etc,etc,etc would have to set up a whole new billing and collection system,and I am sure there are other complications I haven't even considered that would have to be dealt with. Your SSN tags you uniquely as I have already explained.
Not to mention the inevitable grace period allowing people to turn in their cash for credits and pay income tax on the previously hidden cash with no penalties or interest. Not many people carry large piles of cash these days. The keys are in their personal accounts based on their unique and verifiable SSN.
The fact that it would be impossible to cheat the government out of taxes in a cash free society convinces it WILL happen. There is no way the gubbermint is going to continue to bypass a sure fire method of extracting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers that don't have the wealth or connections needed to avoid having to pay taxes. It has ALREADY happened as I explained; it isn't going to happen; it HAS HAPPENED. A few bucks for traveling expenses and pocket change is incidental to the whole point and minimizes the impact of how the system works today. You have lost this discussion, Pete. Please retract your comment about some formal method of announcement by government taking your rights, liberties and freedoms.
#57. To: war (#54) (W_C)have you looked about you? btw, what you should be looking for is right in front of your face. Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! #58. To: buckeroo (#56) Now, you are just using common jargon to suggest I am confused by your own statements of waiting for a formal declaration by government authorities to remove certain individual rights and dignities. You have little by using colliquial jargon, too. Oh,BullBush! You were throwing everything into the mix,including the kitchen sink. Most of it irrelevant. With the US Social Security Act, the SSN was never to be used for personal information purposes. Other than the exemption for personal identification to the SS Administration,you are correct. Yet, look around us from tax filing, to credit cards to bank loans to property loans and a personal checking account, your SSN is required for EVERYTHING in business transactions. No,it's not. Yes,all those organizations ASK you for your SS number,but you do NOT have to provide it. If you ask for it you will be given a unique number (blanking out the formal name of it right at this minute) to identify your accounts that is not your SS number. Granted,"damn at the difference!" applies here because no matter how many of these account numbers that banks and other institutions give you,they will all end up linked back to your SS at the federal level. The limits of cash payments for business are decreasing from the DHS requirements to report any transactions of $10,000 and above, too. Can you say "Thank you,alleged War on Drugs!"? BTW,was this or was this not announced publicly? In fact, there was a recent 1099 requirement by the 0bama Medical Plan to report ALL transactions to the IRS above 600 bucks (although temporarily rescinded), the US government has continuously searched for ways and methods to speed rapid tracability of cash transactions Which just proves my point. They will eventually take the ultimate step of eliminating cash altogether,thereby totally eliminating tax cheating. The state will ALWAYS be able to get their pound of flesh AS WELL AS MONITOR YOUR EVERY MOVEMENT WHILE HAVING THE ABILITY TO SHUT YOU DOWN INSTANTLY IF THEY WISH once this plan is in effect. Want to organize a protest in DC? Won't happen because the government will have the instant ability to make you and everyone connected to you digitally disappear. Which means you won't even be able to buy a cup of coffee or a gallon of gas to go to DC because all of your money disappeared at the same time you did. ALL you will be able to do is call a toll free number to tell the police where to come to pick you up. you can't legitimitely own a car without a SSN. Not true. You are confusing theory and fact. Of course, that assumes you are working within the system. In a cashless society,EVERYBODY will be working within the system because it will be impossible to do otherwise. BUT......,what does ANY of this have to do with what I was discussing? Other than the sentence immediately above this,that is? Hell,as much ranting and raving as you are doing about SS and SS numbers,they have nothing to do with what I was talking about. The new digital system they will come up with for debit and credit accounts will replace SS numbers,and be MUCH more oppressive. For example,you won't even be able to buy a few gallons of paint at the local building supply to paint your house without presenting a permit from the city or county showing you have bought a permit from the local tax and building departments stating the work you are doing and who has been hired to do it. If you are doing it yourself you will have to state you are doing it yourself. If you are having someone else do it,you will have to submit his business ID number or personal credit number that your debit account will be transferring the credits to in order to pay him. That way your local authorities get their taxes for the home improvements,and the state and feral government will get their cut in taxes. And don't think you will be able to get away with claiming you are going to do this work yourself and then have someone else do it cheaper for cash under the table. There will be no cash. Only debits and credits. And most Americans work within the system. ALL Americans will work within the new system. They won't have any choice because the new system will have total control over all money. You either go through the system,or you don't get paid. Period. I receive a paper receipt that the funds were electronically transferred to my bank account I do,too. wherein I dole out the funds further towards all payments by electronic transactions;I rarely use a post stamp or a paper check anymore and this is true for most Americans living in the modern world. I try to avoid doing this if at all possible. I used to do it regularly,but the more I thought about it the less I like the idea of putting The Borg in charge of everything. Plus,there are real humans out there that have jobs that rely on manning a counter and taking cash or check payments from customers. I now go to the business if possible to pay my bill by cash or check,and if I can't do that I mail them a check or money order. This is not always possible because some vendors insist on being paid using PayPal or some other electronic form of payment,and won't accept checks or even money orders. If I can,I use money orders instead of electronic transfers from my checking account for purchases like this. If I can't,I use PayPal and don't worry about it. Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal. That has already happened, pal. It is YOUR SSN. Wrong. If you think that is true,you really don't understand what I am talking about. Either that or you do understand,and are more interested in preaching than discussing. There is even a possibility you are working at minimizing the danger to individual freedoms the cashless society represents by trying to convince people it will be nothing more serious than what they are living under now. Your SSN tags you uniquely as I have already explained. And as *I* have already explained,that is bullshit. It is illegal for your SSN to be used to identify you for any purpose other than for Social Security purposes,and no bank or other financial institution has the right to demand you give them your SS number. As I wrote before,banks are even required to issue you a unique depositor number if you ask for it. Most people don't bother to ask because most people don't think it's a big deal. It has ALREADY happened as I explained; it isn't going to happen; it HAS HAPPENED. Ok,that settles it. You really are doing the work of a government disinformation agent here. "Go to sleep little sheeples,nothing to see here. Move on." You have lost this discussion, Pete. Please retract your comment about some formal method of announcement by government taking your rights, liberties and freedoms. Uhhhh,yeah. ROFLMAO! "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #59. To: sneakypete (#58) Ok,that settles it. You really are doing the work of a government disinformation agent here. Well, I just pulled out my original 1965 SS card that I signed for; it is still in mint condition, too. It reads: "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND FOR TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" at the bottom of the paper card, sized for a standard pocket billfold to be carried everywhere. The SSN BS has evolved into ALL the major financial and credit markets, too, FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. You can't get away from it unless you are living on the street begging for free change. Sorry about the delay in response, that card was placed in a box way up in the garage's rafters called "OLD_STUFF." You are addressing less than one percent of the issues, Pete. The US government along with all state governments and agencies have YOU pwned already. Sorry about letting the cat out of the bag on this fine day.
#60. To: sneakypete (#58) One more point, Pete. Your SSN identifies you for EVERYTHING as I already told you. In fact, today it is encouraged by all new mother's to acquire their children's SSN as quickly as possible. A chronology of events about the SSN from the Social Security Administration:
Skip to content Social Security Online History www.socialsecurity.gov Home | FAQs | Contact Us | Text Size HomeFAQsContact Us Online FeedbackFraud ReportsBy phoneBy mailIn personOutside the U.S.EmployersJob SeekersAbout UsText Size StandardMediumLarge Search YOU CAN"T GET STATE DL WITHOUT A SSN, pal. Without a DL, you can not effectively work or operate freely in America. As I earlier suggested, you lose this discussion.
#61. To: buckeroo (#59) The SSN BS has evolved into ALL the major financial and credit markets, too, FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. Yes,but only because people have meekly surrendered their SS numbers to anyone that asked. The law hasn't changed,but there is nothing in the law that FORBIDS YOU FROM GIVING IT UP. The law only forbids others from demanding you give it up. A couple of decades ago the state of Virginia was putting SSN's right on your drivers license or other state-issued ID. Somebody took them to court and they dropped that system and went to unique drivers license numbers. You can't get away from it unless you are living on the street begging for free change. Sure you can. All you have to do is ask your bank for a depositor ID/taxpayer ID. Of course if you already have an account at that bank and have already given them your SSN it's a lot like locking the barn after the horse has disappeared.
Sorry about the delay in response, that card was placed in a box way up in the garage's rafters called "OLD_STUFF." No problem with the delay. You are the one confused about using SSN as ID,not me. I have known that for years. You seem to think I am arguing with you about this for some reason. You are addressing less than one percent of the issues, Pete. I am addressing 100% of the issue that YOU brought up. How much more do you want? The US government along with all state governments and agencies have YOU pwned already. Sorry about letting the cat out of the bag on this fine day. Turning into quite a little drama queen,aren't you? I have never had a day since I was 17 years old that the US government hasn't had a file on me. I had a top secret clearance while in the army and was involved with covert operations on an active level,and still have a Secret clearance from working as a consultant to the Army within the last 10 years. My name is always going to be on a list,and it doesn't worry me in the slightest. I refuse to give up my SSN to anyone because of the danger of identity theft. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #62. To: sneakypete (#61) The law hasn't changed You didn't read my #60 post in your own honour..... I think you should take on a new monicker such as "JumpingJackFlash" since you can't reflect on what has happened in America.
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