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Title: Obama's Birth Certificate: Not the Issue
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URL Source: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2 ... rth-certificate-not-issue.html
Published: Apr 29, 2011
Author: Tony Cartalucci
Post Date: 2011-04-29 11:08:51 by Hondo68
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Keywords: John McCain exact same, corporate-financier agenda, the brand of propaganda used
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Bangkok, Thailand April 29, 2011 - Of course, a candidate must meet legal requirements before running for public office. This is a universally agreed upon concept which has been enumerated in laws in every nation, since the beginning of human civilization. However, for those who deeply examine the United States and how it has drifted from a constitutional republic to the corporate-financier oligarchy it is today, they might realize the futility of arguing over "President" Obama's qualifications for an office that has long been ceremonial, if not entirely theatrical.
Like it or not, your real government consists of unelected
bankers and corporate special interests. The argument
that Obama' birth certificate makes-or-breaks his legitimacy
pales in comparison to the realization that the entire office of the
president has been usurped for at least 2 decades.
The corporate-financier agenda transcends presidencies. From Reagan to Obama, US foreign and domestic policy has moved in a continuously linear direction toward increasing corporate-financial monopolies and eroding the role and sovereignty of the US Constitution and the people who are supposed to execute it. In 1991, "Neo-Conservative" war monger Paul Wolfowitz stated that the Middle East would be turned upside down and reordered in America's favor - ironically, this operation which has been piecemeal planned and executed year-by-year since then, is finally unfolding in its entirety under the supposedly "liberal" Obama administration.
Likewise, the seemingly "liberal" free-trade agreements pushed by Clinton, were expanded into the beginnings of the supernational Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America under the supposedly "conservative" Bush administration. Of course, the blueprints for the SPP or the geopolitical reordering of the Middle East weren't drawn up by presidential administrations nor committees amongst America's elected representatives, but rather by unelected corporate-funded think-tanks like the Council on Foreign Relations or the Brookings Institute. These think-tanks represent the collective interests of the largest corporations and financial institutions on earth and are the real, often obscure architects of both American and European foreign and domestic policy.
The only difference one can delineate then, is the brand of propaganda used during each supposedly ideologically differentiated political administration to sell this unipolar, unilateral, continuous agenda to the public as it creeps forward. But even upon examining each presidential administration, we are struck with names and affiliations of members who directly represent these corporate interests. To illustrate how entirely ineffectual and meaningless "Obama" is as a president, let's examine some key members of his administration and what their affiliations are.
Timothy Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury): Group of 30, Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve
Eric Holder (Attorney General): Covington & Burling lobbying for Merck and representing Chiquita International Brands in lawsuits brought by relatives of people killed by Colombian terrorists.
Eric Shinseki (Secretary of Veteran Affairs): US Army, Council on Foreign Relations, Honeywell director (military contractor), Ducommun director (military contractor).
Rahm Emanuel (former Chief of Staff): Freddie Mac
William Daley (Chief of Staff): JP Morgan executive committee member
Susan Rice (UN Ambassador): McKinsey and Company, Brookings Institute, Council on Foreign Relations
Peter Orszag, (former Budget Director): Citi Group, Council on Foreign Relations
Paul Volcker: Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve, Group of 30
Ronald Kirk (US Trade Representative): lobbyist, part of Goldman Sachs, Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts, and Texas Pacific Group partnership to buyout Energy Future Holdings.
Lawrence Summers (National Economic Council Director): World Bank, Council on Foreign Relations
Who amongst Obama's administration can we honestly presume has the people's, or even America's best interests at heart? Goldman Sachs bankers? JP Morgan bankers? Corporate lobbyists? Indeed, these are the same banking, corporate, and political interests that guided the agenda under Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Regan and so on. While there is some debate over which US president was in fact the last "real" president who exercised an agenda it genuinely could claim ownership over, there is no doubt that over the last two decades the same corporate interests have been entirely steering America's people and their destiny with but the veneer of "democracy."
Had John McCain won the elections in 2008, you could rest assured he would have taken US policy in the exact same direction Obama is going today. In fact, McCain is one of the key players who has helped fund and organize the current unrest sweeping the Middle East, along with a myriad of other "Republicans" and "Neo-Conservatives." The "Arab Spring" itself was planned and being staged before Obama even took office.
Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth. His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions. Arguing over his birth certificate engenders him with legitimacy in and of itself - suggesting that if he had proper qualifications he would be a "legitimate" president. But he, like his predecessor Bush, are both entirely illegitimate, as is the system they purportedly preside over.
Recognizing this grave reality, and instead concentrating on the corporate-financier interests that have hijacked American politics is essential to restoring a true constitutional republic. For it is not whose hands we think hold the power, it is in whose hands that really hold the power that shapes US policy. Definitively, US policy does not favor the people, definitively the power is not in the people's hands. As long as we grasp to the illusion that through the futile exercise of elections we are somehow "in control," it will remain this way perpetually. The fact that our president is in charge of absolutely nothing and that his duties have long been shifted to an unelected corporate-financier oligarchy is the issue, not his dubious qualifications.
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#1. To: hondo68, *The Two Parties ARE the Same*, *Bill of Rights-Constitution*, *Crime and Corruption*, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites*, *Economic News*, *Politics and Politicians* (#0)
However, for those who deeply examine the United States and how it has drifted from a constitutional republic to the corporate-financier oligarchy it is today, they might realize the futility of arguing over "President" Obama's qualifications for an office that has long been ceremonial, if not entirely theatrical.
This needs to be shouted from the rooftops. The problem is the very people whose job it is to shout it from the rooftops in this electronic age are owned by the same international bankers that own the corporations that own the politicians.
The corporate-financier agenda transcends presidencies. From Reagan to Obama, US foreign and domestic policy has moved in a continuously linear direction toward increasing corporate-financial monopolies and eroding the role and sovereignty of the US Constitution and the people who are supposed to execute it.
Which is exactly why I have been calling President Homie "Bush 4.0" ever since he took office. That weasel bastard Poppy Bush and his cronies started subverting Reagan the day he took office. Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his VP because the RNC threatened to withold support for his run for the WH if he didn't accept Poppy.
Had John McCain won the elections in 2008, you could rest assured he would have taken US policy in the exact same direction Obama is going today.
And being more experienced with more and better contacts,he would have probably been more successful.
Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth.His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions.
BINGO!
The fact that our president is in charge of absolutely nothing and that his duties have long been shifted to an unelected corporate-financier oligarchy is the issue, not his dubious qualifications.
The author of this piece has summed it up about as well as I have ever seen,but he doesn't take it far enough because he doesn't even mention the politically powerful supporting cast that makes all this possible. US Senators and Congresscritters that are owned outright by the international bankers.
The voters could all get together and elect a 21st Century Thomas Jefferson at this point and he would be powerless to change things because he would have both the DNC AND the RNC working against him,as well as the US Senate and the US Congress.
The ONLY way to change things is start at the local level and work your way up. Get a solid conservative pro-American base from the local to the state and federal level so a new president has the political support he needs to pass new laws,throw out old laws,eliminate bureaucracies,and change foreign policies.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#2. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#1)
The ONLY way to change things is start at the local level and work your way up. Get a solid conservative pro-American base from the local to the state and federal level so a new president has the political support he needs to pass new laws,throw out old laws,eliminate bureaucracies,and change foreign policies.
I haven't seen you this excited in years about an article; and it is a good article, too.
But, your idea won't work. The large population centers all around the USA control the electoral college and that voting block is typically based on poor folks that enjoy handouts from Uncle Scam. The messes America is involved with, both foreign and domestic, are unrepairable with a constituentcy that has torn the nation from the bottom to the top; it can not be fixed and that is why you see no one advancing REAL change back towards a small government on any level, anywhere. The incremental suicide that America has perpetrated upon itself from about 1897 (the Spanish American War) has placed us into hopelessness with one singular method .... so far, no one wants to pull the ripcord.
#3. To: buckeroo (#2)
I haven't seen you this excited in years about an article;
Me,either.
It may be the most defining article I have seen posted about the problems we have today and why we have them.
If I had my way,this would be mandatory reading for every high school student in the country.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#4. To: buckeroo (#2)
The large population centers all around the USA control the electoral college and that voting block is typically based on poor folks that enjoy handouts from Uncle Scamadvancing REAL change back towards a small government
The beer is still cold. When the power goes out and they're forced to drink those four-oohs warm, you'll see REAL change.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#5. To: hondo68, sneakypete (#4)
The beer is still cold. When the power goes out and they're forced to drink those four-oohs warm, you'll see REAL change.
Exactly my point. I used to share Pete's well-articulated perspective about addressing local government concerns FIRST and then moving on to county, state and federal governance. It is in the forefront of the Libertarian Party's methods towards a desired outcome to diminish large government and return the power base back to the local level. And for years, there has only been some good results but way below my expectations. The American People don't give a shit other than a free handout while enjoying a cold one during their daily couch potatoe activities.
Taken with the current "average" American's considerations for REAL change, the demographics as well as anyone can vote it is nearly impossible to change this nation.
Keep in mind that what made America GREAT was not a large electoral constituency during the first one hundred years of America. It was a small one; wherein those that voted normally owned land and added value back to the communities where they worked; that same value created the greatest nation on the Earth.
But, today, we have mostly everyone that can vote: from illegals to welfare recipients to federal/state/local retirees that collect HUGE amounts of earnings based on government handouts while doing little other than complaining they want more.
It is a hopeless America, anymore. And there can be no change to impede the current dynamics other than ONE: REVOLUTION.
#6. To: buckeroo, hondo68 (#5)
It is a hopeless America, anymore. And there can be no change to impede the current dynamics other than ONE: REVOLUTION.
You may well be right,but my position is and will remain that there are only two options.
1: Work within the political system to enact changes.
2: Pick up your rifle and go into politics.
Once option 2 is picked there is no going back. Many people will die and many more will suffer greatly. I will always resist option 2 as long as I have the option to resist it. Once people start coming after me with rifles is when I will pick mine up,and if I am ever forced to do that I will show no mercy.
Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#7. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#6)
1: Work within the political system to enact changes.
Lets forget about option 2 and move on with your option 1 idea:
I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process.
Working within a failed political system? Your vote is worthless anymore. There is no political party that you can rely on or cling to for renewed capabilities for any reformation of government. The largest reason is that there are no voter qualifications to be found, anywhere.
You have no idea about the educational level, the ability to read/write much less understand the issues presented in America's voting constituents that have effected the so-called "progress" in America. You are in effect, wasting your time.
Proof is in the pudding, too. No one can repair the systems that the People have voted for. And starting out at the local level means to me that voter qualifications are in order. However, that can't occur because of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STRICT ADHERENCE TO FAIR ELECTIONS.
But, what is a "FAIR ELECTION" anyway? Where the People are continuously trashed by absurd policies&procedures that were voted in by folks that can barely sign their names on a voter registration card? Why does an illegal alien get to subtract my vote for real change? In fact, why are there MILLIONS of illegal aliens in America?
But, the illegals are just one issue out of thousands of which are trashing America and American values. There are no REAL voter qualifications other than being a biped; without real voter qualifications it is impossible to have a true representative government of the citizenry.
#8. To: buckeroo (#7)
without real voter qualifications it is impossible to have a true representative government of the citizenry.
Which is why you go back to the founders vision. Jettison egalitarianism and permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land, i.e. land and property owners, military and career professionals vote. No one else. Especially not welfare recipients.
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
#9. To: buckeroo (#2)
it is a good article, too.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
#10. To: Rudgear (#8)
Which is why you go back to the founders vision. Jettison egalitarianism and permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land, i.e. land and property owners, military and career professionals vote. No one else. Especially not welfare recipients.
So the foreigners who own tons of our real estate get to vote, while those who rent do not?
Seriously?
"Thats because your basically and idiot.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#11. To: no gnu taxes (#9)
The issues HAVE NEVER BEEN ABOUT 0bama's qualifications; it has always been about the People that vote these charlatans into office.
There are no voter qualification requirements other than being able to cross your fingers that you are on a voter roster and signing for the same. If voters don't have qualifications how in the HELL can you expect anyone in an elected position to have any?
#12. To: go65 (#10)
permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land. Foreigners and the corporate communists who enabled outsiders to get a stranglehold on the people of this country clearly do not fall under my observation.
More clearly: no. They don't have an integral stake in maintaining a Constitutional republic. The seek the very socialist regime the left does with one minor detail. They seek to control the means, not own it.
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
#13. To: sneakypete (#6)
Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option.
I applaud your sentiments.
In response, however, I will offer an extended quote from Claire Wolfe:
CONTROL REIGNS
It matters not one whit whether the people controlling you call themselves R's or D's, liberals or conservatives, socialists or even (I hate to admit it) libertarians. It doesn't matter whether they vote for these horrors because they're not paying attention or because they actually like such things.What matters is that the pace of totalitarianism is increasing. And it is coming closer to our daily lives all the time. Once your state passes the enabling legislation (under threat of losing "federal welfare dollars"), it is YOUR name and Social Security number that will be entered in that employee database the moment you go to work for a new employer.
It is YOU who will be unable to cash a check, board an airplane, get a passport or be allowed any dealings with any government agency if you refuse to give your SS number to the drivers license bureau.
It is YOU who will be endangered by driving "illegally" if you refuse to submit to Big Brother's licensing procedures.
It is YOU whose psoriasis, manic depression or prostate troubles will soon be the reading matter of any bureaucrat with a computer.
It is YOU who could be declared a member of a "foreign terrorist" organization just because you bought a book or concert tickets from some group the government doesn't like.
It is YOU who could lose your home, bank account and reputation because you made a mistake on a health insurance form.
Finally, when you become truly desperate for freedom, it is YOU whose assets will be seized if you try to flee this increasingly insane country.
As Ayn Rand said in Atlas Shrugged, "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
It's time to drop any pretense: We are no longer law-abiding citizens. We have lost our law-abiding status. There are simply too many laws to abide. And because of increasingly draconian penalties and electronic tracking mechanisms, our "lawbreaking" places us and our families in greater jeopardy every day.
STOPPING RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT
The question is: What are we going to do about it?
Write a nice, polite letter to your congressperson? Hey, if you think that'll help, I've got a bridge you might be interested in buying. (And it isn't your "bridge to the future," either.)
Vote "better people" into office? Oh yeah, that's what we thought we were doing in 1994.
Work to fight one bad bill or another? Okay. What will you do about the 10 or 20 or 100 equally horrible bills that will be passed behind your back while you were fighting that little battle? And let's say you defeat a nightmare bill this year. What are you going to do when they sneak it back in, at the very last minute, in some "omnibus legislation" next year? And what about the horrors you don't even learn about until two or three years after they become law?
Should you try fighting these laws in the courts? Where do you find the resources? Where do you find a judge who doesn't have a vested interest in bigger, more powerful government? And again, for every one case decided in favor of freedom, what do you do about the 10, 20 or 100 in which the courts decide against the Bill of Rights?
Perhaps you'd consider trying to stop the onrush of these horrors with a constitutional amendment -- maybe one that bans "omnibus" bills, requires that every law meet a constitutional test or requires all congresspeople to sign statements that they've read and understood every aspect of every bill on which they vote. Good luck! Good luck , first, on getting such an amendment passed.
Then good luck getting our Constitution-scorning "leaders" to obey it. It is true that liberty requires eternal vigilance, and that part of that vigilance has been, traditionally, keeping a watchful eye on laws and on lawbreaking lawmakers.
But given the current pace of law spewing and unconstitutional regulation- writing, you could watch, plead and struggle "within the system" 24 hours a day for your entire life and end up infinitely less free than when you began. Why throw your life away on a futile effort?
Face it. If "working within the system" could halt tyranny, the tyrants would outlaw it.
Why do you think they encourage you to vote, to write letters, to talk to them in public forums? It's to divert your energies. To keep you tame.
"The system" as it presently exists is nothing but a rat maze. You run around thinking you're getting somewhere. Your masters occasionally reward you with a little pellet that encourages you to believe you're accomplishing something. And in the meantime, you are as much their property and their pawn as if you were a slave.
In the effort of fighting them on their terms and with their authorized and approved tools, you have given your life's energy to them as surely as if you were toiling in their cotton fields, under the lash of their overseer.
The only way we're going to get off this road to Hell is if we jump off. If we, personally, as individuals, refuse to cooperate with evil. How we do that is up to each of us. I can't decide for you, nor you for me. (Unlike congresspeople, who think they can decide for everybody.)
But this totalitarian runaway truck is never going to stop unless we stop it, in any way we can. Stopping it might include any number of things: tax resistance; public civil disobedience; wide-scale, silent non-cooperation; highly noisy non-cooperation; boycotts; secession efforts; monkey-wrenching; computer hacking; dirty tricks against government agents; public shunning of employees of abusive government agencies; alternative, self-sufficient communities that provide their own medical care and utilities.
There are thousands of avenues to take, and this is something most of us still need to give more thought to before we can build an effective resistance. We will each choose the courses that are right for our own circumstances, personalities and beliefs.
Whatever we do, though, we must remember that we are all, already, outlaws. Not one of us can be certain of getting through a single day without violating some law or regulation we've never even heard of. We are all guilty in the eyes of today's "law." If someone in power chooses to target us, we can all, already, be prosecuted for *something*.
And I'm sure you know that your claims of "good intentions" won't protect you, as the similar claims of politicians protect them. Politicians are above the law. YOU are under it. Crushed under it.
When you look at it that way, we have little left to lose by breaking laws *creatively and purposefully*. Yes, some of us will suffer horrible consequences for our lawbreaking. It is very risky to actively resist unbridled power. It is especially risky to go public with resistance (unless hundreds of thousands publicly join us), and it becomes riskier the closer we get to tyranny. For that reason, among many others, I would never recommend any particular course of action to anyone -- and I hope you'll think twice before taking "advice" from anybody about things that could jeopardize your life or well-being.
But if we don't resist in the best ways we know how -- and if a good number of us don't resist loudly and publicly -- all of us will suffer the much worse consequence of living under total oppression.
And whatever courses of action we choose, we must remember that this legislative "revolution" against We the People will not be stopped by politeness. It will not bestopped by requests. It will not be stopped by "working within a system" governed by those who regard us as nothing but cattle. It will not be stopped by pleading for justice from those who will resort to any degree of trickery or violence to rule us.
It will not be stopped unless we are willing to risk our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honors to stop it.
I think of the words of Winston Churchill: "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum.
"You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai"
#14. To: hondo68 (#0)
#15. To: sneakypete (#6) (Edited)
Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me.
IMO they're never going to come out and announce either. It will continue incrementally. It'll keep getting harder and harder to get arms and ammo, and less places will accept cash.
There will never be an official announcement like... we're going to be F'n with Sneakypete today, taking his guns and cash, and issuing a homie credit card.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#16. To: buckeroo (#7) (Edited)
Working within a failed political system? Your vote is worthless anymore. There is no political party that you can rely on or cling to for renewed capabilities for any reformation of government. The largest reason is that there are no voter qualifications to be found, anywhere.
Sounds like you are ready to move to the voting with bullets level.
I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever.
In the meantime I will continue to try working within the system to convince people to take a political stand and hold the politicians heels to the fire. If I am successful,GREAT! If I'm not successful,I'm not out a thing.
As long as you remain at option 1 you have choices. You can make adjustments to your strategy and hope to be successful. If worse comes to worse you can always go to option 2.
The biggest problem with going to option 2 is that once you go there there is no going back to option 1 until the revolution is over.
If I ever do go that far,I may be the most reluctant revolutionary in history.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#17. To: Rudgear (#8)
Which is why you go back to the founders vision. Jettison egalitarianism and permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land, i.e. land and property owners, military and career professionals vote. No one else. Especially not welfare recipients.
A BIG AMEN to that!
And if it happens it will start to happen at the grass roots level with people like us. WE have to teach OUR children to have pride for accomplishments achieved,not just being born. We also need to teach them right from wrong and a sense of shame for doing wrong. Then we need to instill in them a sense of duty that includes passing these traits on to others.
We have to do it at the grass roots level by taking over local school boards so OUR side has some influence on what is taught and how it is taught. THIS is how the left took over this country. They started at the local elementary and high school level by infiltrating the teachers colleges and the school boards.
If we start doing this instead of home schooling,we can make a difference.
That's just the beginning,but if you/we/they don't start at this basic level nothing will ever be accomplished at a higher level.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#18. To: go65, buckeroo, all (#10)
So the foreigners who own tons of our real estate get to vote, while those who rent do not?Seriously?
No. BTW,people like you are a perfect example of why we need to take over the school boards and the teachers colleges. I have no doubt you have a college degree,and you went to school all those years and never even learned how to reason.
Rich foreigners won't be able to vote because they aren't citizens.
I am NOT slamming you,I am just pointing out that this is so basic and so obvious nobody that grew up in this country and was educated beyond the 5th grade should even consider asking questions like that.
YOU even know better yourself. You just couldn't be bothered to think about it because all the noise of your political dogma barking drowned out the voice of reason.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#19. To: sneakypete, Rudgear (#17)
property owners
If they do that. Then I'm going to buy some land and sell one square foot lots.
#20. To: hondo68 (#15)
IMO they're never going to come out and announce either.
I disagree. I am 100% convinced that what is happening is happening by design in order to have society crash to the point where a state of anarchy exists so that Steve and Sarah Sheeple start screaming for the government to "Do something! Do ANYTHNG,BUT MAKE US SAFE!"
The end result of this will be a call to disarm the populace to and go to a cash free society in order to reduce crime. Face it,most crime is based on cash,and the crime that is for jealousy or revenge usually involves weapons of one type or another. Just going to a cash-free society alone will probably eliminate 90% of the crime.
And when they do this the people will stand up and applaud them unless they are educated to what is going on and open their eyes first.
Yeah,a cash-free economy WILL eliminate maybe 90% of the crime and make people safer. There is no way to argue with that because it's true.
The argument you CAN make is that giving up your freedoms and becoming serfs of the state is a poor tradeoff for your freedoms.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)
property ownersIf they do that. Then I'm going to buy some land and sell one square foot lots.
Good luck with that. Most people don't even vote right now,and it's free.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#22. To: sneakypete (#21)
Ever heard. Don't know what you got til it's gone?
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Ever heard. Don't know what you got til it's gone?
Heard it????? I live it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#24. To: sneakypete (#23)
Heard it????? I live it.
What do you miss, if I may ask?
#25. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#23)
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Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#26. To: Biff Tannen, sneakypete, cz82, Murron (#25)
Here listen to this.
#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)
omg, the hair!!! and the Pagey double-neck Gibson!!!!
You don't know what you got, until you looooose it.
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Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Don't know what you got till it's gone
I've never heard of this band, let alone the song, but I'm glad you included me, I liked it, very eerie, prophetic.
#29. To: Murron (#28)
They actually have quite a few good songs. They were from the 80's.
#30. To: sneakypete (#18)
Rich foreigners won't be able to vote because they aren't citizens.
So what's the point of granting land owners the right to vote when so much of the land is owned by foreigners and banks?
I really have no idea what you think you will accomplish.
"Thats because your basically and idiot.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#31. To: go65 (#30)
So what's the point of granting land owners the right to vote when so much of the land is owned by foreigners and banks?
I am not surprised a One World cretin like you doesn't understand why only citizens should be able to vote.
I really have no idea what you think you will accomplish.
Obviously being an American means nothing to you,unless it is shame.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#32. To: sneakypete (#31)
I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does.
I hope this format becomes more common in the future.
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out.....
I'm sure it does. People can move and vote several times before election day.
and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does.
So what? What does it do to prevent illegal aliens,non-citizens,non-residents,dead people,imaginary people like Disney characters,and people from voting from multiple addresses?
High voter turn out should never be the goal. LEGITIMATE voters should be the goal.
I realize this would reap havoc on places like Chicago,Philly,Detroit,and other Dim enclaves,but it needs to be done.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#34. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#16)
I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever.In the meantime I will continue to try working within the system to convince people to take a political stand and hold the politicians heels to the fire. If I am successful,GREAT! If I'm not successful,I'm not out a thing.
In my post #7, re: your post#6, I intentionally ignored your option #2. Let us take a peek at it for another moment, before it is lost in the Internet cloud:
2: Pick up your rifle and go into politics.
Once option 2 is picked there is no going back. Many people will die and many more will suffer greatly. I will always resist option 2 as long as I have the option to resist it. Once people start coming after me with rifles is when I will pick mine up,and if I am ever forced to do that I will show no mercy.
Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process.
You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired. Now, turn your eyes back to BIG_BROTHER on TV and keep your mouth shut.
#35. To: buckeroo (#34)
You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired.
LOL! Ok,if you say so.
BTW,if I am mistaken and by "too late" you mean the fascists have already won and it is too late to fight.",my response is it is NEVER too late to fight. Winning is nice,but not essential. What is essential is that your cause be just and you no other options than to fight.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#36. To: sneakypete (#35)
BTW,if I am mistaken and by "too late" you mean the fascists have already won and it is too late to fight.
"Resistance is futile" to use a borrowed term from Star Trek days (sequencing The_Borgs) but be my guest and try.
A) Increasing business transactions ARE by electronic methods (cashless) these days and shall continue in this way into the future.
B) Increasing federal/state/local codes/laws/insurance requirements/rules/regulations/restrictions ARE occurring to control or limit the possession/procurement/use of firearms and shall continue in this way into the future.
It is the analogy of the lobster in the pot being roasted to death. Little by little, you can't feel the changes until the very end. And then, despite, all your screaming, it is too late.
#37. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#35) (Edited)
Back to your post on #6:
Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me.
As a preface to this post directed towards you, I have always enjoyed your posts even if I don't post much in agreement or otherwise; I think our largest disagreements has been with respect to the IRA as you take an entirely contrary position as myself. But, I want to comment on this above naive statement by yourself as it is deceptive what I know to be of and about your good character and provides a sense of ignorance about yourself that I don't think has ever been revealed before since 1998 until now on several forums.
To begin with, the days of making an official proclamation by any organized government body are over with the singular exception about personalities in the official government arena called "elected government." It is nothing more than a charlatan show of sometimes new bright, pretty smiles all the way to the bank for personal wealth and power and if nothing else the personal lavish of all the "perks" that society offers to these high&mighty officials. It makes the masses "feel" a change has occurred because of their exercise of punching a chad at the ballot box.
You know there is no "officiating" change of policy&procedure, too. It is a creeping or gradual change towards only one goal: the usurpation of individual rights, liberties and freedoms and you know this is true because of the HUGE growth of government on all levels; in fact, where have you sen ANY level of government relinquish control over its POWER about individuals in America? It isn't a rhetorical question as it aimed towards the nexus of and about your own statement that I have re-quoted in this post.
As a clear example: where is a formal declaration of war for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam and as far back as Korea and literally hundreds of other skirmishes, police actions, hostiles actions, humanitarian efforts and yada yada yada that America is created around the world? There are none PERIOD other than some weak funding by either omission or commission of Congress.
But for the People of America, there hasn't been any officiating or formal declaration of War by Congress since WW2. And, herein is why I think your own statement is either oblivious to what is going on around you or that maybe you just didn't make yourself clear. Let me repeat your incredibly over-simplified statement for your own reference:
Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me.
Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
I disagree with your premise. You are comparing apples and oranges.
The government will issue a proclamation they are going to a cashless society in response to public calls for them to "Do something! Do ANYTING,but make us safe!". Which falls right into line with their plans.
And there is nothing unique about this. Several years ago they announced no more checks for Social Security and VA disability checks. It would all be done through electronic banking.
I understand they are even doing this now with welfare,food stamps,and other welfare payments.
Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal.
Banks,credit unions,phone companies,electric companies,etc,etc,etc would have to set up a whole new billing and collection system,and I am sure there are other complications I haven't even considered that would have to be dealt with.
Not to mention the inevitable grace period allowing people to turn in their cash for credits and pay income tax on the previously hidden cash with no penalties or interest.
The fact that it would be impossible to cheat the government out of taxes in a cash free society convinces it WILL happen. There is no way the gubbermint is going to continue to bypass a sure fire method of extracting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers that don't have the wealth or connections needed to avoid having to pay taxes.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#39. To: buckeroo, sneakypete (#36)
It is the analogy of the lobster in the pot being roasted to death. Little by little, you can't feel the changes until the very end. And then, despite, all your screaming, it is too late.
Who is John Galt?
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does.I hope this format becomes more common in the future.
Response?
All I can think of is the old woman, smoking a pipe, laughing, at the river crossing ferry in the movie "Outlaw Jose Wales".
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
#41. To: Wood_Chopper (#39) (Edited)
A literary character who, in a spectacular feat of technology, hijacked the airwaves and then proceeded to give the most boring speech ever recorded in modern history...
Oh...he also fucked Dagney Taggert after she was raped by Hank Reardon...
America...My Kind Of Place...
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