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Title: In Hawaii, accessing some Obama birth info is easy
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Associated Press
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... AULT&CTIME=2011-04-23-09-58-07
Published: Apr 23, 2011
Author: Mark Niesse
Post Date: 2011-04-23 12:11:10 by Sebastian
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Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Barack Obama's birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth. Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called "index data," available to the public. So far this month, only The Associated Press and one other person had looked at the binder, according to a sign-in sheet viewed Wednesday in the state Department of Health building. The sheet showed about 25 names of people who have seen the document since March 2010, when the sign-in sheet begins. Those documents complement newspaper birth announcements published soon after Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth and a "certification of live birth" released by the Obama campaign three years ago, the only type of birth certificate the state issues. So-called "birthers" claim there's no proof Obama was born in the United States, and he is therefore ineligible to be president. Many of the skeptics suggest he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country, or Indonesia where he spent a few years of his childhood. Possible Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has repeatedly stoked the birther fires recently, and last month called on Obama to "show his birth certificate." Trump said he has investigators in Hawaii searching for more information. "Nobody has come in and said they're investigating for Donald Trump," said Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, who acknowledged they could've come in without identifying themselves as representing Trump. What the would-be sleuths won't find is Obama's "long-form birth certificate," a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health. Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama's original long-form birth records. But those documents are state government property that can't be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said. Fukino, who served as the state's health director until late last year under former Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, said in an interview with The Associated Press she's convinced the long-form document is authentic. She issued public statements in 2008 and 2009 saying she had seen the original records. "It is absolutely clear to me that he was born here in Hawaii," Fukino told the AP. "It should not be an issue, and I think people need to focus on the other bad things going on in our country and in our state and figure out what we're going to do about those things." Before Obama's campaign released his certification of live birth in 2008, he or someone with a tangible interest had to make a written request and pay a $10 fee to receive it, Okubo said. Wisch also said Obama obtained a copy of his own certification of live birth and publicly released it. State privacy laws prevent a certification of live birth from being released to anyone except those with a tangible interest, such as the person named by the birth record or a close family member. The document is generated by computer, based on original birth records on file with the state, Fukino said. New Health Director Loretta Fuddy, a Democratic appointee, declined to comment. Last week, Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill that would have required presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot - which was widely viewed as targeting Obama - calling it a "bridge too far." But the birther conspiracy theory refuses to go away. The latest New York Times-CBS News poll found that 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don't know. Only one-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born. The same poll a year ago found that a plurality of Republicans believed the president was born in the U.S. Obama said in an interview with ABC News this month that Republicans sowing doubts about whether he's American-born may gain politically in the short term by playing to their constituencies, but will have trouble when the general election rolls around. "Just want to be clear - I was born in Hawaii," the president said at a fundraiser in his hometown of Chicago. Newspaper birth announcements appeared in both The Honolulu Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin in the weeks after he was born. The Aug. 13, 1961 announcement in the Advertiser appears on page B-6 of the Sunday edition, next to classified ads for carpentry work and house repair. It says, "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4." The address belonged to the parents of Ann Dunham, Obama's mother. A similar announcement appeared the following day on page 24 of the Star-Bulletin.
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#1. To: Sebastian (#0)
Native born doesn't cut it ! The constitution specifies natural born ! People like rubio - colin powell although born in florida - new york don't qualify because their parents were from cuba - jamaica ! Obomba has two foreign fathers !
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Cripes, banjo boy ! , you got some 'splainin' to do.
Probably ... three --- mother ship martian !
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belittle 0 minutes ago Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution reads: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. If two citizen parents were not required for ‘Natural Born Citizen’ status then there is no possible logical reason for the adoption clause in Article 2 Section 1. All the founders were charter citizens with non-citizen parents because the country did not exist when their parents gave birth to them. And there were many citizens at that time who were born on U.S. soil but not to citizen parents for the same obvious reason. The only distinguishable difference between the "citizens at the time" and a "natural born citizen" is the citizenship of the parents at the time of birth. The founders knew it would take a generation to produce the first ‘Natural Born Citizen’ born on U.S. soil from parents who were citizens to produce a candidate free from any direct foreign birthright allegiances. The founders needed to include the charter citizens in order to have Presidential candidates (themselves) until a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ could be available for candidacy. At the time of the adoption there were only two groups of charter citizens available for the candidate pool...native born citizens (born on U.S. soil to non-citizen parents) and naturalized citizens (those born abroad). If either of these groups were eligible to hold office as President then there would be no reason for the adoption clause nor would there be a need to distinguish 'Natural Born Citizens'. And to those who would suggest that the adoption clause was because the 'soil' was British before the adoption and that it was strictly a matter of jus soli, the article would read 'no person except a native born citizen' instead of 'no person except a natural born citizen' as it was well understood and a part of the language of the day to regard a person born on the soil a native born citizen. Obama's birth certificate is relevant only if it confirms that Barack Obama Sr. was his father as Obama claims in his book and on his website. Barack Obama Sr. was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Obama's birth nor did he ever naturalize during his lifetime. If Obama is telling the truth about who his father is then he was born a British citizen by virtue of the British Nationality Act of 1948 as he openly admits on his website. Obama says he is a 'Native Born Citizen' with dual citizenship at birth. As pointed out above this means he is ineligible to hold office and is subject to arrest for federal election fraud. President Chester Arthur faced a challenge by those who believed his father was not a citizen when Chester was born. Before the authorities could seize them Arthur took all his family documents and burned them in his back yard effectively covering up the fact of his ineligibility to hold office. It was only recently in 2009 that a researcher found documentation which confirmed that Arthur's critics were right about his ineligibility because his father was not a citizen at the time of Chester's birth. So, even if Obama was born on the White House steps he is not nor can ever be eligible to hold office as President of the United States of America http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/25/white-house-slams-rev-franklin- graham-comment-about-issues-surrounding-president-obamas-b
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colossians28 Just now @caymanchic The only place that they know "TRUTH" resides is in the dictionary. But they weren't convinced so they started a committee!!!! "The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary!!!" Vince Lombardi http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/25/white-house-slams-rev-franklin- graham-comment-about-issues-surrounding-president-obamas-b
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If two citizen parents were not required for ‘Natural Born Citizen’ status then there is no possible logical reason for the adoption clause in Article 2 Section 1. All the founders were charter citizens with non-citizen parents because the country did not exist when their parents gave birth to them. And there were many citizens at that time who were born on U.S. soil but not to citizen parents for the same obvious reason. The only distinguishable difference between the "citizens at the time" and a "natural born citizen" is the citizenship of the parents at the time of birth. The founders knew it would take a generation to produce the first ‘Natural Born Citizen’ born on U.S. soil from parents who were citizens to produce a candidate free from any direct foreign birthright allegiances. The founders needed to include the charter citizens in order to have Presidential candidates (themselves) until a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ could be available for candidacy. At the time of the adoption there were only two groups of charter citizens available for the candidate pool...native born citizens (born on U.S. soil to non-citizen parents) and naturalized citizens (those born abroad). If either of these groups were eligible to hold office as President then there would be no reason for the adoption clause nor would there be a need to distinguish 'Natural Born Citizens'. And to those who would suggest that the adoption clause was because the 'soil' was British before the adoption and that it was strictly a matter of jus soli, the article would read 'no person except a native born citizen' instead of 'no person except a natural born citizen' as it was well understood and a part of the language of the day to regard a person born on the soil a native born citizen. Obama's birth certificate is relevant only if it confirms that Barack Obama Sr. was his father as Obama claims in his book and on his website. Barack Obama Sr. was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Obama's birth nor did he ever naturalize during his lifetime. Good find Boris.
His biological father (was not a US citizen), his stepfather (was not a US citizen)... No matter how you slice it, kunta kinte is not a US citizen...&;-)
Fraud: A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury. snip Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result. legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud If Obama is telling the truth then how can he be guilty of fraud?
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Spiro Agnew had a Greek Dad and Mom, and not a peep from the usual suspects. I wouldn't worry. This birfer game is causing division and in fighting among conservatives. And the ones with common sense about the issue will prevail, and the birfers will grab all their toys and go home in disgust or run their own protest candidate. It's a waste of time arguing with ignorant people on this. Their Karma will run over their dogma anyway.
In other parts of the world women are fighting for the right to pass citizenship on to their children, in the US, conservatives want to take that right away. It's a waste of time arguing with ignorant people on this. Sure looks that way.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
His martian mothership father If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
There are two classes of US Citizens: Natural born or naturalized. Obama was not and did not have to be naturalized therefore...
America...My Kind Of Place...
You know I think this birther nonsense is absurd, and politically counter productive Stone. Owe-bama gets fired in a landslide if we focus on documented fact. All this does is allow the MSM to portray anyone that finds Owe-bama to be an incompetent hack as a 'kook racist'.
I hear you knockin...go back where you been....
The birthers see this as a way to get rid of Obama and every single piece of legislature he has signed. Because they know getting what he has signed repealed will be an almost impossible task. And if he is "exposed", then it also gives them the option to get rid of those who knew about it and did nothing... drain the swamp so to speak.... Put all their asses in jail for good, and replace them with someone who will hopefully do better... Trying to vote some of them out is an almost impossible task, because the areas they represent are nothing but "moochers"..... But you know the funny part about all of this is, I think the majority of the American people would love to see this happen... not just the birthers...
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You keep forgetting native ! how cum !
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Including extending the Bush tax cuts? I can't wait for you to get your IRS bill for all those back taxes owed, with interest.
I can't wait for you to get your IRS bill for all those back taxes owed, with interest. LOL I guess some also believe that Congress has no part in the passing of bills.
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...a way to think they know something most don't, and are much more astute than anyone they might meet. Sorry, the 'birthers' are no different than the fake moon landing idiots, the Clinton era 'arkanciders', the 'Bush Knew' morons. This is about weird dumb fuckers that hide in their basements cause the black helicopters are comin to get em.
I hear you knockin...go back where you been....
Submitted by issa734 on Wed, 2011-04-27 10:52. Thank you, Mr President for releasing your long form birth certificate proving you are Native born to this country. Unfortunately it is also Primae facia evidence that your father was BHO Sr., not a US citizen as required by the Constitution. You were a dual citizen at the time of your birth. Your father was Kenyan/UK and you were born in Hawaii, so you had dual UK/US citizenship at birth. The Constitution requires the President be Natural born meaning a singular allegiance to the US at birth, distinguished from Native born, meaning born in the country. A Dual citizen by definition has a dual allegiance, which is expressly forbidden by the Constitution in the unique requirement for the Office of the President. Are we supposed to start ignoring the Constitution now? I didn't get the memo, which parts do we ignore, or is it all of it? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement- 098513 is obomba your voodoo doll daddy !
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The stupidity of what some of these people post is breathtaking.
It's official, banjo boy. You and Obama are homies. LOL
There are two classes of US Citizens: Natural born or naturalized. You keep forgetting native ! Anchor baby status !
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#2. To: BorisY (#1)
Obomba has two foreign fathers !
#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)
'splainin'
#4. To: Fred Mertz (#2)
#5. To: All (#4)
#6. To: BorisY, war, Badeye, cz82, lucysmom, mininggold (#4)
Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution reads: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#2)
Obomba has two foreign fathers ! Cripes, banjo boy ! , you got some 'splainin' to do.
#8. To: BorisY (#4)
Obama's birth certificate is relevant only if it confirms that Barack Obama Sr. was his father as Obama claims in his book and on his website. Barack Obama Sr. was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Obama's birth nor did he ever naturalize during his lifetime. If Obama is telling the truth about who his father is then he was born a British citizen by virtue of the British Nationality Act of 1948 as he openly admits on his website. Obama says he is a 'Native Born Citizen' with dual citizenship at birth. As pointed out above this means he is ineligible to hold office and is subject to arrest for federal election fraud.
#9. To: lucysmom (#8)
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
I wouldn't worry. This birfer game is causing division and in fighting among conservatives.
#11. To: lucysmom (#8)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#6)
(Edited)
#13. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#14. To: Badeye (#13)
You know I think this birther nonsense is absurd, and politically counter productive Stone. Owe-bama gets fired in a landslide if we focus on documented fact
#15. To: war (#12)
There are two classes of US Citizens: Natural born or naturalized.
#16. To: CZ82 (#14)
The birthers see this as a way to get rid of Obama and every single piece of legislature he has signed.
#17. To: Skip Intro (#16)
Including extending the Bush tax cuts?
#18. To: CZ82 (#14)
The birthers see this as a way
#19. To: lucysmom (#8)
#20. To: Rek (#17)
LOL I guess some also believe that Congress has no part in the passing of bills.
#21. To: BorisY (#19)
#22. To: All (#15)
To: war
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