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Title: Mocking Jesus on Israeli TV
Source: youtube
URL Source: http://youtu.be/JA6vRC1xW_c
Published: Apr 23, 2011
Author: none
Post Date: 2011-04-23 03:55:46 by Jack
Keywords: None
Views: 39539
Comments: 55

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#5. To: Jack (#0)

Seems sort of silly and shallow, esp , considering that Jesus chose his fate. He could have denied he was Christ any number of times.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-24   21:34:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: diva betsy ross (#5) (Edited)

"Seems sort of silly and shallow, esp , considering that Jesus chose his fate. He could have denied he was Christ any number of times."

The point is that were this show to have originated in Iran, there would be Koran burnings and calls for war.

Because this is a Israeli show, it only rates a tepid "silly and shallow" rating. It's only blasphemy if the Muslims do this.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-04-27   17:26:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#11)

Hmm? Actually I don't really care who mocks Christ, as long as they do not report to be a minister, Priest or Pastor.

Blasphemy is when a Christian religious leader denies or mocks Christ. Everyone else is free to do what they want to do.

I don't listen to anything a Muslim religious leaders says either, FWIW.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-27   17:44:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: diva betsy ross (#12) (Edited)

"Hmm? Actually I don't really care who mocks Christ, as long as they do not report to be a minister, Priest or Pastor."

Bully for you, however I was referring primarily to the way many in the U.S. would reflexively react were this to be an Iranian and not an Israeli show.

"Blasphemy is when a Christian religious leader denies or mocks Christ. Everyone else is free to do what they want to do."

In a court of law, a judge would laud you for strict adherence to the proper dictionary definition of that term.

However, to Muslims, mocking Mohamed is blasphemy. Not to mention that in the past what a state required it's citizens to go to church, thus legally defining everyone as Christian, the blasphemy term would be one of the legal charges against someone not allowed by law a non-Christian who did something like this.

In many places at many times in human history, it was a crime to not be a practicing Christian.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-04-27   18:13:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

Mike- I used to be a wiccan (for a short time).

I know all about the stuff that Wiccans believe- but they are wrong about Christ. Most people are wrong about Christ- because of religious people. I just have to tell you that.

As far as anyone being forced to be a Christian- I can't agree with "many times in many places people being forced to be Christian".

Could you tell me what you are referring to?

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-27   18:20:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: diva betsy ross (#16) (Edited)

Throughout the sixteenth century Europeans quickly subjugated native peoples plundering of their lands and wealth. Europeans justified this with the view that natives were not Christian, and, particularly after witnessing the mass human sacrifices conducted by the Aztecs, and lack of traditional civilization by other natives, savage, and not deserving to possess the New World.

In Spain itself in 1492, the Moorish population of Granada had been given the choice by the first Archbishop of Granada, Hernando de Talavera: become Christian, or leave the country. In a letter to his religious brothers, Cardinal Cisneros, Talavera's successor, would celebrate the “peaceful domination” of the Moors of the Albaicin, a neighborhood of Granada, praising converts, lauding killing and extolling plunder. This letter came, however, after centuries of struggle by Christians in Spain to recapture their homeland, which had been under Muslim domination for generations. Thus the war in Iberia, between Christians trying to regain their land and Muslims defending their conquered territories, naturally heightened religious tensions and fervor on both sides.

To the King and Queen of Spain (Ferdinand II of Aragon, 1479–1516 and Isabella I of Castile, 1451–1504), the conquest of indigenous peoples was justified by natural law, embodied in the medieval doctrine of “just wars”, which had historically been a rationale for wars against non-Christians, particularly the Moors, but which would now be applied to Native Americans. Coming shortly after the Reconquest, the realization of a centuries-long dream by Christians in Spain, the discovery and colonization of the New World was directly affected by religious and political conditions in a now-unified Iberian Peninsula.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_1513 (citation for both quotes)

Emperor Constantine of Rome himself was the first to write a law of worship on Sunday.

The Spanish had a legal requirement to read a legal document to natives in the New World that this point was where they had to declare themselved Christian and faithful to the crown, or the Spanish were not responsible for the bloodletting, enslavement or torture which would occur if they failed to meet this standard of belief and conduct.

Usually this was read in Spanish to incomprenending people not familiar with the tongu, but in the eyes of Spanish law that did not matter.

"The Spanish requirement of 1513

The European view of the inherent right to conquest and domination in the New World was captured in a declaration addressed to Indian populations known as “El Requerimiento” (The Requirement). The document was prepared by the Spanish jurist Juan López Palacios Rubio, a staunch advocate of the divine right of monarchs and territorial conquest. It was first used in 1513 by Pedrarias Dávila, a Spanish explorer who had fought the Moors in Granada and who was later to become Governor of Nicaragua.

The Spanish Requirement, issued in the names of King Ferdinand and Queen Juana, his daughter, was an admixture of religious and legal justifications for the confiscation of New World territories and the subjugation of their inhabitants. At the time, it was believed that Native Americans resisted conquest and conversion for one of two reasons: malice or ignorance. The Requirement was putatively meant to eliminate ignorance."

There are many examples of this historically. Want more?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-04-27   18:35:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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