Title: Ryan: Debt crisis lies within spending, not taxes Source:
You Tube URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsU6oeOChuM Published:Apr 18, 2011 Author:CBS News Online Post Date:2011-04-18 19:07:23 by CZ82 Keywords:None Views:76708 Comments:113
Schieffer interviews Paul Ryan, tries to back him into a corner and fails.... I can't embed the video (it's locked) so you will have to go to YouTube to view it.
Raising the debt limit is absolute insanity, given BOTH parties history of spending like there is no tomorrow....which if not stopped not might actually lead to 'no tomorrow' for the nation.
Democrats today sound like heroin addicts, screaming insane nonsense - Pelosi is yesterday's prime example - trying to rationalize the continuing practice of writing bad checks as if there are no consequences.
Couple refusing to do so to S&P's shit bomb yesterday and you would see a financial crash 100x's worse than 2008. You think that you were screaming like a bitch without a tit two years ago? This would be even worse.
So people not even born yet should pay back this crap plus interest for all their lives if you get a chance to be born without being wacked by some "pro choice" liberal?
No. Thomas Jefferson was right. The earth belongs to the living.
If the debt needs to be paid. Obama can pay it out of his pocket. If he can't pay it it should be paid back at one dollar a lash.
The debt ceiling has to be raised. The US needs to pay its obigations. PERIOD.
The irony in this statement is the fact Geithner and company are claiming we have to do this to pay the INTEREST on what we owe, not the debt we are 'obligated to pay'.
Raising the debt ceiling is absolute insanity, doesn't matter which political party controls the House.
The irony in this statement is the fact Geithner and company are claiming we have to do this to pay the INTEREST on what we owe, not the debt we are 'obligated to pay'.
You crack me up Boofer...the last time the debt ceiling came up you were screaming that it would be unpatriotic to not raise it with a war going on.
That said, that's been the reason for raising the debt ceiling just about every time it has been raised. Don' t start your day job.
The irony in this statement is the fact Geithner and company are claiming we have to do this to pay the INTEREST on what we owe, not the debt we are 'obligated to pay'.
That is actually the insanity of it all.
How will we ever pay the debt if we have to print and borrow more just to pay the interest?
The insanity is the fact that the GOP is responsible for most of it and are now bitching about it.
We told them that you cannot cut taxes...we told them that you cannot spend money like a drunken sailor...every time a bill came up to authorize funds for the war, the GOP flipped out when the dems insisted that they pay for it....
It's the truth...most of the debt that we have we incurred under republicans...you walking away does not make that any less true...
I know it's true. The majority of our debt occurred under Republican administrations. That's not what makes me want to exit the conversation.
What makes me want to exit the conversation are these two simple facts; I am not a Republican and Congress controls the purse, not the president.
Reagan increased the debt +11.3% in his first term and +9.3% in his second, but it was with the aid of a Dem controlled House.
George H W Bush increased the debt +15.0% in one term, but with a Dem controlled House AND Senate.
We are in debt, not up to our asses, but far over our heads. Arguing that one party put us there is, again no offense, simply nonsense. R's and D's are equally to blame, but they certainly do benefit when we're arguing the merits of one over the other, like we're taking sides in a football game, while we all continue to go further into debt.
How will we ever pay the debt if we have to print and borrow more just to pay the interest?
It's absolute insanity.
Exactly. We are 'here'. And when you point out this is quite insane, no matter how you look at it from a busienss standpoint, the uber Leftwingers will fall apart, and change the topic to bashing Bush, or the GOP...as if that has anything to do with 'here and now'.
It no longer matters 'who'. We're at the point if we don't cut the House off cold turkey, the slim chance we can get out of this financial mess will dissipate completely.
Exactly. We are 'here'. And when you point out this is quite insane, no matter how you look at it from a busienss standpoint, the uber Leftwingers will fall apart, and change the topic to bashing Bush, or the GOP...as if that has anything to do with 'here and now'.
The fact is, Boof...dems all throughout Bush's reign of error were predicting fiscal clamity. They were laughed at. "Cutting taxes ALWAYS increases revenues!!!" You were screaming for a tax cut 2 years ago.
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
His viewpoint, because it's different than yours??? Or that you think I might agree with him???
Did you know that the amount of millionaires in this country doubled after the Bush tax cuts?????? That's from an IRS article I read a few years ago.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I don't believe that there is any political commentator who has been more discredited over any topic than Rush Limbaugh. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing; it's a matter of whether or not Limbaugh is an "authority". He is not.
I don't believe that there is any political commentator who has been more discredited over any topic than Rush Limbaugh. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing; it's a matter of whether or not Limbaugh is an "authority". He is not.
His lies about his lengthy drug addiction and his history of rants comparing those like him to human debris, did him in.
His lies about his lengthy drug addiction and his history of rants comparing those like him to human debris, did him in.
What 'did him in' for me was his poor impersonation of a conservative and trying to pass his neoconservative ideology off as conservatism.
Ever notice, the one word you NEVER hear on Fox News or programs like Hannity and Limbaugh, is 'neoconservative'?
They won't even speak the word but they preach the ideology all day and night, 24/7/365.
Shills like Hannity and Limbaugh, now pretending to be small government conservatives would be laughable, if they're fawning and salivating audiences weren't so large.
Partisan politics, D's v R's is a shell game with no pea. No way to win.
The reality is now simply this: Who will be less restrictive, less apt to steal our freedom and wealth, and screw us less. The GOP is the winner of the lesser of Two Evils.
Both are drunk with power and unending, astronomical spending.
Whereas the neocon/Elite-controlled GOP openly wastes our wealth and assets on unnecessary wars and no-win trade agreements, the Dems achieve the same goal, only they've openly declared war on Whitey, Christians, the unborn, and "bitter" gun-clingers as well.
Verdict: The nod goes to the GOP as the lesser of Two Evils.
There's a conundrum for conservatives and libertarians. When is enough enough? For Dems and the Left, The Game has totally gone their way for the last 45 years. They are in the catbird seat.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Meanwhile, the numbers in the article ring true...but hey, lets change that subject to bashing Limbaugh...because Owe-bama's view is demonstably insane when compared to Ryan's....
Clinton raised taxes and revenues increased a trillion dollars in 7 years.
Let's not forget the GOP's House controlled the purse-strings most of that time...
Tax Revenues may have risen, but it only meant the gooberment could allocate and waste more money on growing the number of goobermint agencies, programs, departments, and higher compensation for goobs.
The #1 item of waste in the goobermint is "DEFENSE" SPENDING. It's been the case since WWII and both Parties are Guilty.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Now since some of you have had a chance to read the article lets take it slightly further. What it didn't say is that somewhere between 40 and 50% of the people in this country pay "NO" taxes whatsoever.... In fact I've seen some reports that some people have gotten a refund check, even when they didn't even have any taxes "WITHHELD" from their paychecks to start with....
So do you all think it's fair that many people don't pay any taxes????? Would you like to see that change????? The solution is easy.....Does anybody have a guess on what kind of tax would solve the problem?????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I think we've been moving left for longer than that [45 years.]
Technically and probably it's begun in earnest since the coincidental establishment of both the Federal Income Tax in 1913 and establishment of the Bankster's Federal Reserve - along with the start of WWI.
Some people might see the stock market crash, depression and FDR as a collective catalyst of socialism, while others point to the establishment of the UN.
[When is enough enough?]
That is the question. For me, enough is enough, right now. Repubs have moved too far left. I can't move with them.
I could support and vote for them as the lesser of two evils, but I'd still be supporting and voting for moving left. I just can't do it.
If they nominate a conservative, then things change, at least for me, but the odds of that are minuscule.
We all realize the NWO has hijacked most of the key places in government, finance, and media. The Fix is pretty much in. And you're right - no overtly pro-US sovereignty/conservative will be allowed by the NWO-elite machine to become a serious candidate.
So how can it be played, realizing we're again stuck between pragmatism and principle? Does the GOP give us any shot at stringing the globalists' plan out this time around? Is there an outside chance that it give the right people a chance to right this ship? Maybe. I don't like those odds either, but...
...I know one thing - if 0bama wins again, we have ZERO fighting chance of stationing enough of the right people in the right position to help take back the ship.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
So do you all think it's fair that many people don't pay any taxes?????
Of course not, and yes, SOME parasites actually get an unearned check from the governmentthe Taxpayers for being lazy, socialist-voting slobs.
Would you like to see that change????? The solution is easy.....Does anybody have a guess on what kind of tax would solve the problem?????
A "Parasite Tax"?
:-)
What did you have in mind?
Frankly, there ought to be 'Workfare' problems that address public works as in the 1930s - the hell with peoples' "esteem" and the socialist-Dems' characterization of it as "degrading" and "slave-like."
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
And when you point out this is quite insane, no matter how you look at it from a busienss standpoint, the uber Leftwingers will fall apart, and change the topic to bashing Bush, or the GOP...as if that has anything to do with 'here and now'.
While Bush's governance was admittedly quite insane if you ask me, the degree of insane of both 0bama and his supporters who ignore the red elephant on the poop-deck is off-the-charts.
0bama's only "policy" is undoubtedly setting fire to the USS America from stem-to-stern while his dopey supporters ignore the raging inferno and b*tch about Dubya.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
The debt ceiling has to be raised. The US needs to pay its obigations. PERIOD.
What good is paying for it with monopoly money dripping with wet ink?
Why doesn't the goobermint just scale back it's spending by a good 20%, beginning with the Defense budget, paring down redundant/innecessary Federal agencies, and reducing goob worker "entitlements" that are absurd?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
So people not even born yet should pay back this crap plus interest for all their lives if you get a chance to be born without being wacked by some "pro choice" liberal?
No. Thomas Jefferson was right. The earth belongs to the living.
Jefferson was right; Franklin was right about, "It's a Republic - if you can keep it," and Larry Sinclair was right about 0bama...
The biggest problem we face is the Commie, Founders-Hating punk in the Oval Office whose only goal is to terrorize, rape and sodomize the USA by the time he leaves office. The second biggest problem are the idiots, ignoramuses, and traitors who support him. The third biggest problem are the Cowards in High Places who won't expose 0bama and help save the country.
That said, the Kenyan and Bubba and Bush have ALL made a mockery of the Constitution and worked to sabotage this nation.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
It's already been proposed, and the Left lies it's ass off as to it's intent and effectiveness..... It's called a consumption tax, you get taxed on what you buy not what you earn.. The more you buy the more you pay, very simple concept.... Just not good for the politicians, nothing to lie about to their constituents.. A good part about it is those on Welfare would be paying some of what they get in freebies back to the government in the way of taxes, in essence paying for themselves somewhat......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Frankly, there ought to be 'Workfare' problems that address public works as in the 1930s - the hell with peoples' "esteem" and the socialist-Dems' characterization of it as "degrading" and "slave-like."
OH - sounds communist to me.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
That's an authority better cited. I'd like to see the article though.
I'm looking for that article from the IRS on their site but am not having much luck, that latest I can find is for 2004???????.... It may have been a magazine article so good luck finding that.. I did find figures from a few different articles stating:
Amount of millionaires in 2000 was right at 4 million and reached a peak of 9.2 million in 2007.. As of 2010 it dropped to 7.8 million...
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
It's already been proposed, and the Left lies it's ass off as to it's intent and effectiveness..... It's called a consumption tax, you get taxed on what you buy not what you earn.. The more you buy the more you pay, very simple concept.... Just not good for the politicians, nothing to lie about to their constituents.. A good part about it is those on Welfare would be paying some of what they get in freebies back to the government in the way of taxes, in essence paying for themselves somewhat......
A VAT Tax?
Not a bad idea...IF only it wouldn't wind up as an additional tax on top of a state sales tax.
It would actually be better for the goob and politicians because it'd be even more money and wealth to confiscate and "spread around."
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Amount of millionaires in 2000 was right at 4 million and reached a peak of 9.2 million in 2007.. As of 2010 it dropped to 7.8 million...
Hmmm... I wonder if those numbers include a certain fraudulent anti-Capitalist Commie Kenyan whose basis of wealth and earnings came as a result of anti-Whitey, anti-America books written by an American terrorist, and quid-pro-quo corruption and graft while as an Illinois politician?
Truth IS greater than fiction!
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
No, a consumption tax... You do away with the current tax system and go to a consumption tax.... A VAT tax would only be on top of what we presently have and would be in essence a tax increase.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
A VAT is not a tax on sales. It's a tax on production. Some countries do refund the VAT when products are exported, which makes it more like a sales tax. However a real sales tax would tax imports in the same way that domestically produced products are taxed -- when they are purchased. The VAT doesn't do this.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
I know that, but a lot of people seem to be hung up on tax increases so figured I would concentrate on that first...... That will be next......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I've been in Chicago for the last three weeks on a big project. I'm flying back to Seattle in the morning. Right now I'm winding down at a bar, drinking a Pale Ale -- my first beer in 3 weeks. So I figured I might as well give the leftist loons a hard time as well. ;););)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
I've been in Chicago for the last three weeks on a big project
I pity you, been there before, that place is an "ARMPIT"......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Crazy weather -- two Sunday's ago it was 85. On Monday when I woke up there was a little snow on the ground.
Two weird things:
A.) The waitresses call you "honey"
B.) There are a lot of men with gold chains around their necks. Not gay guys - - but big Italian looking dudes who apparently think it's still the 1970s.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
That drives me crazy, I want to say I'm not your honey so bad, but just bite my tongue instead.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
While Bush's governance was admittedly quite insane if you ask me, the degree of insane of both 0bama and his supporters who ignore the red elephant on the poop-deck is off-the-charts.
Full agreement. I was ticked off with GOP House and Bush administration spending in the summer of 2006 to the point I simply didn't vote for any Republican except for Governor here in Ohio (Blackwell). At the time, I think the annual deficit was somewhere around 550 - 660 billion.
Today...Owe-bama, with help from Pelosi Galore and dingy Harry Reid tripled that annual defict.
And the Left wonders why I'm really pissed off NOW?
Full agreement. I was ticked off with GOP House and Bush administration spending in the summer of 2006 to the point I simply didn't vote for any Republican except for Governor here in Ohio (Blackwell). At the time, I think the annual deficit was somewhere around 550 - 660 billion.
Boofer never believed that we had more money than we spent. Boofer makes things up...on any given day he either has vast property upon which he combat pistols or his house sits on a cliff.
What was stupid was not paying down the debt when we had more money when we were spending.
I have no argument with this at all. Its why I voted against the GOP in 2006, except for Ohio's Governor. I thought Hassert, DeLay and Bush lost their freakin minds then.
Today, the annual Federal Deficit I was so pissed off about in 2006 is TRIPLE what it was that year.
Not real happy with how he seems to get bullied into doing stuff. Clinton used to laugh at the GOP when they huffed up their collective chests. Obama needs to do that.
