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Title: Just Found My New 12 Gauge
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Kel Tec
URL Source: http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg/
Published: Jan 4, 2011
Author: Kel Tec
Post Date: 2011-03-27 11:43:16 by We The People
Keywords: None
Views: 24264
Comments: 30
The time for secrecy is nearing its end. This SHOT Show, Kel-Tec will be revealing its next ground-breaking product: the KSG (Kel-Tec Shotgun).
The KSG is our first entry into the shotgun market. The size, shape and design are similar to the currently available Kel-Tec RFB rifle, but the KSG ejects downward, instead of forward. The KSG weighs 6.9lbs and is as compact as legally possible with a 26.1" overall length and an 18.5" cylinder bore barrel. Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 14 rounds of 12 gage 2-3/4" rounds (7 per tube). The simple and reliable pump action feeds from either the left or right tube. The feed side is manually selected by a lever located behind the trigger guard. The lever can be positioned in the center detent in order to easily clear the chamber without feeding another round from either magazine. A cross bolt style safety blocks the sear, and the pump release lever is located in front of the trigger guard.
The pump includes an under Picatinny rail for the mounting of a forward grip, or a light or laser. The included top Picatinny sight rail will accept many types of optics or iron sights. Forward and rear sling loops are built in, and a basic sling is included. The soft rubber butt pad helps to tame recoil.
MSRP has not been officially been set, but we are looking at the $800.00 range.
(Photo @ link above)
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Note that it doesn't switch automatically to the alternate tube, and the shooter comes up with an empty chamber, until he manually switches and pumps again.
Other than that, it's very nice.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#2. To: hondo68 (#1)
Agreed. Still, it's better than having to reload after 5 shots, like the Mossberg I just bought.
Not that I don't like my new Mossberg. I probably still would have bought it even if I had seen this one first. ;o)
#3. To: We The People (#0)
When Kel-Tec announced the KSG shotgun, I was skeptical. I didn't think the gun would work right, and I really had my reservations about the gun. I did have a chance to play with one yesterday and today at SHOT, and I discovered something that I really don't like that makes the gun a poor choice for home defense -- in fact, it's something that could get you killed if you used this gun. The trigger doesn't reset. If you pull the trigger, and then run the slide while still holding the trigger to the rear like you would on a Remington 870 or a Mossberg, the trigger will simply go dead. We actually tried this on several models and it was the same on each demo gun. Here's video of me demonstrating what happens.
To bring the gun back online after this malfunction, you'd have to run the action again, which would eject a perfectly good round in an action combat situation. Imagine that in a home defense situation -- you shoot one shot, run the action on your gun, and nothing happens. This is actually a major design flaw, and I'm really surprised that Kel-Tec would let something like that slip by.
Because of this defect in the design of the Kel-Tec shotgun, I cannot recommend this to anyone who would consider it seriously for home defense. Yes, it's a neat toy, but I wouldn't bet my life on it when there are plenty of proven shotguns that don't have a dangerous design flaw built in to them. http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/20/kel-tec-ksg-shotgun-video/
It's not ready for prime time.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
It's not ready for prime time.
I think you may be right. That is a serious design flaw.
I'm going to find out if they're working on it or if it has been corrected.
#5. To: We The People (#2) (Edited)
It seems that manually switching between the mag tubes makes it legal? in most (all?) states that have a 10 round limit. So that explains, that issue. I could see an aftermarket kit being made, where the mag follower pushes the switch to that tube when the follower reaches the back (empty).
They should be able to fix the trigger reset problem.
It could be great if they kind of design the tube switcher in, and just leave out the parts, and you can add them later.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#6. To: hondo68 (#5)
I find myself asking the question...Would I hold the trigger down after firing a shot?
Why would anyone hold the trigger down? Hoping for a faster rate of fire? This is a shotgun, it isn't an automatic weapon.
I'm not so sure this is a malfunction. I'm inclined at the moment to think it's an operator error. Still waiting to hear from Kel Tec.
#7. To: We The People, hondo68, (#0)
You should have bought a Saiga 12 instead.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
#8. To: hondo68 (#5) (Edited)
Turns out is was a flaw. See the video, bottom right of this page. www.keltecweapons.com/
It's been addressed. Shipping out the end of this year! I'm getting one.
#9. To: We The People (#8)
Shipping out the end of this year! I'm getting one.
I'm starting to like it. Kel Tec's SU16's are great. As the video mentions, it's likely that a choke adapter for the threaded barrel, and various chokes will become available. That's a very nice feature, not available on most short barrel shotguns.
Please post a review after you've shot it.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#10. To: Godwinson (#7)
That's a damned nice shotgun.
I may have to have one of those as well.
#11. To: We The People (#10)
It's based on the AK-47.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
#12. To: We The People (#0)
Even with this compact size, the internal dual tube magazines hold an impressive 14 rounds of 12 gage 2-3/4" rounds (7 per tube).
What do you plan to come up against where you believe you're going to need 14 rounds from a shotgun as opposed to 5?
#13. To: hondo68 (#9)
Kel Tec's SU16's are great.
I got to fire a friends SU-16 at the range. I liked it.
I have the little P-11 that I bought for my wife, but she doesn't like the long and heavy trigger pull so I got her a Taurus Millennium Pro 9mm instead. It's a bit larger and heavier but she likes it much better.
#14. To: Ibluafartsky (#12)
What do you plan to come up against where you believe you're going to need 14 rounds from a shotgun as opposed to 5?
I don't know, but it's a crazy world. You never know.
Probably never really need it, but I love buying guns.
#15. To: Ibluafartsky, We The People (#12)
What do you plan to come up against where you believe you're going to need 14 rounds from a shotgun as opposed to 5?
A flock of gay canaries, maybe?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#16. To: hondo68 (#15)
A flock of gay canaries, maybe?
Those are your "friends", aren't they, libtard?
#17. To: hondo68 (#15)
A flock of gay canaries, maybe?
In little tiny leather vests!
LMAO!!!
#18. To: Ibluafartsky (#16)
libtard?14 rounds
Yes, you are.
BTW, it holds 15 if you chamber a round, yutard.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#19. To: hondo68, We The People (#18)
it holds 15 if you chamber a round
Your expertise is in areas besides gay canaries in leather vests and your "special friend" We The People, libturd?
#20. To: Ibluafartsky (#12)
So...I have to ask...
Why did you have your browser open to that site anyway? What were you doing when you copied that link?
#21. To: Ibluafartsky (#19)
Your expertise is in areas besides gay canaries in leather vests and your "special friend" We The People, libturd?
Awwwwww, isn't that queer.
The homo calling others 'special'.
#22. To: We The People (#20)
So...I have to ask...Why did you have your browser open to that site anyway? What were you doing when you copied that link?
#228. To: We The People (#223)
Drop it. I'm tired of hiding it anyway.
yukon posted on 2011-03-27 18:41:52 ET Reply Trace
#23. To: We The People (#20)
So...I have to ask...
Yes, what is it about you, gay canaries, leather vests and your "special friend", pervert hondo?
#24. To: Ibluafartsky (#23)
If you're going to come out on one site, you may as well come out on all of them.
Stop looking at the truth like a vampire looks at garlic.
#25. To: We The People (#24)
If you're going to come out
Come out of what? You and your "friends" seem to have abnormal obsessions.
#26. To: We The People (#24)
He is in complete denial. It's hilarious.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#27. To: Ibluafartsky (#25)
If you're going to come outCome out of what?
Here is your statement on this forum...
Your expertise is in areas besides gay canaries in leather vests and your "special friend" We The People, libturd?
Here is yukon's statement on LP...
What's the matter? Is your "special friend" pervert hondo still forcing you to keep it a secret? LOLAY
It's over yukon. I'm done with this. Admit it or not, I don't care, but you have to know that everyone knows by now.
#28. To: hondo68 (#1)
A friend of mine has been trying to get his hands on one of these for a couple of months now.
I hear you knockin...go back where you been....
#29. To: We The People (#27)
I don't care,
Sure you do. You're obsessed, libturd. "Everyone" knows by now. Careful you don't take off a couple of toes.
#30. To: Ibluafartsky (#29)
I don't care,Sure you do. You're obsessed, libturd. "Everyone" knows by now.
No, I really don't. You're not getting the message, at least the message coming from me and that is....I don't care if you're gay or straight. Neither option picks my pocket or breaks my leg. I don't care if you want to marry another man. I don't care if you have 7 live in lovers.
What I do care about is your constant fucking lying. I am not obsessed with your sexual preference. I told you I don't care. I am not a liberal. I am as far as you can get from being a liberal. You know those statements are true, yet you still counter them with lies.
Another thing that I care about is why you seem to feel the need to constantly be at odds with everyone on these forums. You appear to thrive on making enemies and the evidence of that statement being true is all over both forums.
Just tell the fucking truth and stop being a dick, that's all I require of anyone.
Careful you don't take off a couple of toes.
I always am, thanks for your concern.
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