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Title: President Obama Goes to War - Without Congress
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American Thinker
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog ... dent_obama_goes_to_war_wi.html
Published: Mar 20, 2011
Author: Wesley Clark, MD
Post Date: 2011-03-20 16:49:31 by We The People
Keywords: None
Views: 119541
Comments: 105
Regardless of one's inclination toward the "freedom fighters" and the "monster" in Libya, or the wisdom of United States military intervention, there are certain formalities that are required, and that President Obama and his administration, including Secretary of State Clinton, appear determined to ignore, in violation of both the Constitution and United States Law.
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution specifies that it is the Congress that has the power to declare war. United States Code (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548), the War Powers Act, specifically states that the president may undertake the use of military force only in the case of "... a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces." It further states that the President must consult with Congress, "...in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities ..."
Membership in the United Nations does not grant the Security Council the authority to order U.S. forces into action, and being the President does not permit Obama to violate the Constitution and the Law, to commit an act of war without the authorization of the People, through their Congress.
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and not a FUCKING word from so the called CONSTITUTIONAL and TRADITIONAL "CONSERVATIVES" meme here.
Ah yes.
Affectation as opposed to natural honesty.
Bullshit is the language.
Self is the true cause.
"Send lawyers guns and money, the sh!t has hit the fan!"
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#2. To: Mad Dog (#1)
I'm absolutely amazed that the Republicans, ANY Republicans, are not saying a word about this. The only outrage I've heard has come from Democrats, unless I've just missed it.
#3. To: We The People, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#2)
I'm absolutely amazed that the Republicans, ANY Republicans, are not saying a word about this.
Most of the mainstream republican neocon liberal bushbots, are lost in the fog of warmongering, aka "spreading democracy". A few conservative RINO's like Ron Paul have spoken out against the unwarranted aggression against Libya by hObama.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#4. To: Mad Dog, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#1)
and not a FUCKING word from so the called CONSTITUTIONAL and TRADITIONAL "CONSERVATIVES" meme here.Ah yes.
Yeah,there has been considerably more than ONE word said about it by the conservatives here. I know because I am one of them.
Speaking of hypocrisy though,I don't remember seeing YOU complaining when it was Boy Jorge doing this
Does that mean it is ok when RINO's do it,but un-Constitutional when their twin brothers in the Dim Party do it?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#5. To: We The People, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#2)
I'm absolutely amazed that the Republicans, ANY Republicans, are not saying a word about this.
I'm not. There are no conservatives left in the RINO Party.
Or at least none with enough party influence to be allowed to speak and be heard.
How far has the alleged Republican Party fallen when the leftist Dims show more character than they do?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#6. To: We The People (#2)
I'm absolutely amazed that the Republicans, ANY Republicans, are not saying a word about this. The only outrage I've heard has come from Democrats, unless I've just missed it.
The War Powers Act gives the President 60 days before he needs Congressional approval.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#7. To: sneakypete (#4)
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As usual, you mentally defective fuckwad you have it wrong.
The difference here between the ebil BOOSH and messiah king obammy is that "the ebil BOOSH" GOT "permission" from both the US CONgress AND the UN, for his little "WARS" you libTURD fraud.
It means that it's "OK" to go to WAR, as the US President, when you have the PERMISSION of the US CONgress before hand, just like "required" in the US CONSTITUTION and the so called "WAR powers act", you gibbering ignotrant asshole.
But the objective truth means nothing to mentally defective libTURD frauds like you does it little "man"?
You pitiful fuckwad.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#8. To: All (#7)
you gibbering ignotrant asshole
LOL!
THAT kinda takes the sting of it out doesn't it?
Lol!
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#9. To: Mad Dog (#8)
Did your meds run out,or did the doc just kill your prescription?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#10. To: sneakypete (#9)
Did your meds run out,or did the doc just kill your prescription?
He's just showing his allegiance to Moyshe.
"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"
#11. To: We The People (#0)
Calm down people, it's not a war. It's a kinetic military action.
#12. To: Mad Dog (#1)
and not a FUCKING word from so the called CONSTITUTIONAL and TRADITIONAL "CONSERVATIVES" meme here.
This Conservative has a huge problem with whats happening here.
Atascadero sure has a large number of idiots (laughing my ass off)
#13. To: sneakypete (#9)
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What's the matter little "man"?
Things not working out like you had planned moron?
You accused me of being a HYPOCRITE and when I showed you in FACT that I was not. That "the ebil BOOSH" followed ALL US LAWS and even the UN's "laws" for his actions UNLIKE your messiah king obammy has done with Libiya.
THEN you TRY to accuse me of drug use, or lack of medication.
LMAO!
You are a feeble little moron petey.
I enjoy bitch slapping you down with the FACTS. It NEVER gets old!
Although you really present zero of an intellectual challenge, you pitiful FRAUD fuck.
Pointing at YOU MORON, laughing my ass off at you MORON!
LOL!
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#14. To: Badeye (#12)
and not a FUCKING word from so the called CONSTITUTIONAL and TRADITIONAL "CONSERVATIVES" meme here.This Conservative has a huge problem with whats happening here.
Maybe that "conservative" finished grade school and can speak basic english?
NO "conservative" at this site, had made a peep on this thread, about this, until I had made my comment.
That was THEN.
NOW there are voices, including the main fraud CONservatives, whining about ME and MY comment.
Which was TRUE upon inspection when I had made it.
"All HAIL the messiah king obammy!"
"Useful idiots UNITE!"
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#15. To: Mad Dog (#13)
That "the ebil BOOSH" followed ALL US LAWS and even the UN's "laws" for his actions
Even followed the UN Laws! You must be soooo PROUD of him/her/it/whatever,Princess!
BTW,didn't "The Black Bush of the Bush Crime Family",Obama,follow those same laws?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#16. To: Mad Dog (#14)
I that says more about the site than Conservatives, MD. I just opened the thread and noted your remark.
Atascadero sure has a large number of idiots (laughing my ass off)
#17. To: sneakypete (#15)
LOL!~
You feeble little cunt.
You TRIED to claim that the ebil BOOSH had acted in the exact same way as your messiah king obammy had you gibbering little MORON.
I merely told you the FACTS, the FACTS which proved you WRONG, you simpering little cunt.
I made no comment on the validity of those moves you gibbering little cock sucker.
You can't even read and understand basic english you miserable FRAUD.
YOUR play book IS the libTURD play book FRAUD.
YOU ARE A FRAUD little "man".
You suck the messiah king obammy's dick and asshole. While bleating about de ebil BOOSH.
You aren't a CONSERVATIVE, you aren't a MAN.
Eat shit and die, you little simpering MORON libTURD fraud.
You pitiful little bitch.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#18. To: Badeye (#16)
I that says more about the site than Conservatives, MD. I just opened the thread and noted your remark.
I sure see your point.
I didn't mean to unload on you.
I was just defending the truth of what I had said at the time.
This site and others are infested by FRAUDS who pretend to be CONSERVATIVES such as little "man" petey.
It's always somebody else's fault, (except any libTURD of course), to these FRAUDS.
I was not including you with these FRAUD vermin.
My apologies if it came out that way.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#19. To: Mad Dog (#18)
I didn't take it personally.
The bottom line is Democrats wanted to impeach Bush AFTER he gained Congressional authorization for Iraq. Biden said if he didn't, he'd author the impeachment himself. Owe-bama claimed any military action without Congressional approval was 'Unconstitutional'.
Every media outlet parrotted the same theme when Bush was POTUS.
Today? They pretend they (the media) never suggested just a thing, even though youtube is repleat with examples showing otherwise.
If we dont' kill Gaddaffi NOW, we're going to pay a big price.
Atascadero sure has a large number of idiots (laughing my ass off)
#20. To: Mad Dog (#17)
Blah,blah,blah. Every time you open your mouth,insanity and insecurity just falls right out on the table.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#21. To: Mad Dog (#18)
This site and others are infested by FRAUDS who pretend to be CONSERVATIVES such as little "man" petey.
Yup. What this site needs is more "conservatives" like you,Palin,various members of the Bush Crime Family,John McCain,Bob Dolt,Trent "Power Sharing" Lott,Newt,Romney,Guiliani,Bill Kristol,etc,etc,etc.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#22. To: sneakypete (#20)
LOL!
You are a pitiful little bitch.
I BITCH slap your specious nonsense down with the objective FACTS, and then you show the world what a little libTURD FRAUD cunt that you really are.
You are no AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE little "man".
YOU are the messiah king obammy's whore.
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#23. To: sneakypete (#21)
LOL!
Spoken as the TRUE libTURD WHORE and TOOL that we ALL know YOU to be little "man".
Run along and suck your master's asshole, it's time for your lunch little "man".
Eat it ALL up!
Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free!
#24. To: Mad Dog (#23)
You're just angry because you no longer have a shipmate to hot bunk with,ain't ya?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#25. To: lucysmom (#6) (Edited)
The War Powers Act gives the President 60 days before he needs Congressional approval.
That is not true.
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat.[citation needed] The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
#26. To: We The People (#25)
That is not true.
Not so fast.
What does that little "[citation needed]" following the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. mean?
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#27. To: lucysmom (#26) (Edited)
Not so fast.
We both know what it means, but let's not play games. Let's forget the wiki site and go straight to the text of the resolution...
www.law.cornell.edu/uscod..._50_00001541----000-.html
(a) Congressional declaration
It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.
(b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.
(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
www.law.cornell.edu/uscod..._50_00001542----000-.html
The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.
There is no way around it, facts are facts. Obama has violated the US Constitution as well as the War Powers Resolution of 1973.
#28. To: lucysmom (#26)
Further...
www.law.cornell.edu/uscod..._50_00001543----000-.html
(a) Written report; time of submission; circumstances necessitating submission; information reported
In the absence of a declaration of war, in any case in which United States Armed Forces are introduced—
(1) into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances;
(2) into the territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat, except for deployments which relate solely to supply, replacement, repair, or training of such forces; or
(3) in numbers which substantially enlarge United States Armed Forces equipped for combat already located in a foreign nation;
the President shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth—
(A) the circumstances necessitating the introduction of United States Armed Forces;
(B) the constitutional and legislative authority under which such introduction took place; and
(C) the estimated scope and duration of the hostilities or involvement.
(b) Other information reported
The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad.
(c) Periodic reports; semiannual requirement
Whenever United States Armed Forces are introduced into hostilities or into any situation described in subsection (a) of this section, the President shall, so long as such armed forces continue to be engaged in such hostilities or situation, report to the Congress periodically on the status of such hostilities or situation as well as on the scope and duration of such hostilities or situation, but in no event shall he report to the Congress less often than once every six months.
#29. To: We The People (#27)
The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances...
Obama is following the Reagan doctrine established when Reagan sent troops to Lebanon, Grenada, and bombed Libya.
On April 14...Reagan again sent U.S. warplanes into Libyan air space, on this occasion bombing terrorist-related targets in Tripoli and Benghazi. By the time Congress learned of the operation, U.S. forces had done their job and had been removed from the situation of foreign hostilities.
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Congress took no action to oppose or undercut Reagan's military initiatives against the Marxist-Leninists in Grenada and against the Qaddafi regime in Libya. In the case of each of these initiatives, some of the more Leftist-leaning members of Congress and their political allies in the "news" media screamed like stuck pigs, but did very little more than that.
www.proconservative.net/WarAmericaP5l.shtml
It is a mistake to give one guy a pass and then insist the guy you don't like be held accountable fore the same behavior - it makes the insistence look partisan rather than principled.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#30. To: lucysmom (#29)
It is a mistake to give one guy a pass and then insist the guy you don't like be held accountable fore the same behavior - it makes the insistence look partisan rather than principled.
I haven't given anyone a pass for anything. I've spoken out about Reagans leftist leanings for years. Proof of that can still be read at LP. I am not a party boy, I am a conservative.
But are you giving Obama a pass? Pointing out like behavior in another doesn't give Obama a pass, does it?
I would have them both in prison if it were up to me.
#31. To: We The People (#27)
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
Not knowing what that means, I looked it up. Here's what I found:
Section 8(b) states that further specific statutory authorization is not required
to permit members of United States Armed Forces to participate jointly with members of the armed forces of one or more foreign countries in the headquarters operations of high-level military commands which were established prior to the date of enactment of this joint resolution and pursuant to the United Nations Charter or any treaty ratified by the United States prior to such date.
This section was added by the Senate to make clear that the resolution did not prevent U.S. forces from participating in certain joint military exercises with allied or friendly organizations or countries. The conference report stated that the "high-level" military commands meant the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, (NATO), the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) and the United Nations command in Korea.
www.fas.org/man/crs/RL32267.html
It kinda looks like Obama is covered by "specific statutory authorization". (not that that makes any difference)
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#32. To: We The People (#28)
the President shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth—
Obama's written report:
www.whitehouse.gov/the-pr...encement-operations-libya
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#33. To: lucysmom (#29)
It is a mistake to give one guy a pass and then insist the guy you don't like be held accountable fore the same behavior - it makes the insistence look partisan rather than principled.
Obama sure doesn't look to be the guy to dig us out, especially since the Libyan War thing started. But what I don't like is their looking to put back into power the GOP that caused all this crap in the first place. Without demanding that the GOP old guard be completely replaced.
"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"
#34. To: lucysmom (#31)
the resolution did not prevent U.S. forces from participating in certain joint military exercises with allied or friendly organizations or countries.
Sure, but this action toward Libya is not a 'joint military exercise'.
This is not a training mission, this is an agressive military force against another country engaged in a civil war.
#35. To: lucysmom (#31)
It kinda looks like Obama is covered by "specific statutory authorization".
I'm sorry, but it doesn't.
A 'joint military exercise' is not actively engaging in hostilities against another country.
A 'joint military exercise' is a training mission.
#36. To: Rek (#33)
But what I don't like is their looking to put back into power the GOP that caused all this crap in the first place. Without demanding that the GOP old guard be completely replaced.
They desperately want to regain power and finish the job.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#37. To: We The People (#35)
I'm sorry, but it doesn't.A 'joint military exercise' is not actively engaging in hostilities against another country.
A 'joint military exercise' is a training mission.
He's covered because he commands the biggest military in the world that backs him up. Isn't that 'might makes right' stuff what 'conservatives' live and die for?
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#38. To: lucysmom (#32)
the President shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth—Obama's written report:
Note that notification is not the same as authorization, which is what the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution requires.
The President was once a Senior Lecturer (not a professor) in Constitutional Law. In 2007 he knew what the President's duties were in this regard, but I guess it was different, since he wasn't the President:
“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,”
that was then candidate Obama answering a question from the press.
#39. To: Rek (#37)
Isn't that 'might makes right' stuff what 'conservatives' live and die for?
No. That's what 'neoconservatives' live and die for.
#40. To: Rek (#37)
Isn't that 'might makes right' stuff what 'conservatives' live and die for?
They like that power over everything stuff when in power and still think its their birth right when out of power.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
#41. To: We The People (#39)
No. That's what 'neoconservatives' live and die for.
Then the Tea Baggers must be neoconservatives.
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