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Title: Researchers: 100 Percent Green Energy Possible By 2050
Source: Green Car Reports
URL Source: http://www.greencarreports.com/blog ... -green-energy-possible-by-2050
Published: Feb 16, 2011
Author: John Voelcker
Post Date: 2011-03-13 11:46:07 by lucysmom
Keywords: green energy, energy independence, end of oil
Views: 18663
Comments: 29

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Researchers from Stanford University and the University of California-Davis published their analysis in the journal Energy Policy.

Measuring costs vs benefits

The main challenges, say the authors, will be summoning the global will to make the conversion. "There are no technological or economic barriers to converting the entire world to clean, renewable energy sources," said author Mark Jacobson, a Stanford professor, saying it is only a question of "whether we have the societal and political will."

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#1. To: lucysmom (#0)

"There are no technological or economic barriers to converting the entire world to clean, renewable energy sources," said author Mark Jacobson


He's right, we have no technological or economic barriers to blocking our friends from Planet X-49 from coming down and presenting us with magical interstellar pixie dust power.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-03-13   11:55:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Happy Quanzaa (#1)

He's right, we have no technological or economic barriers to blocking our friends from Planet X-49 from coming down and presenting us with magical interstellar pixie dust power.

In 2001 the newly elected Bush administration sought to nullify California's CAFE standards (so much for Republican support for state's rights) which were nothing more than on target for complying with Bush the elder's legislation. While Detroit was whining "its too hard, we can't" Japan was doing it.

We all know what happened after that - Japan ate our lunch, again, and Detroit ended up on life support.

Pixie dust to some, a challenge to be met for others.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-03-13   12:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

Yes, they already have a working prototype at the Amish Progressive Research Facility.

They're still working on the road apple, and flatulence emissions problems.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
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Hondo68  posted on  2011-03-13   12:22:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#3)

Yes, they already have a working prototype at the Amish Progressive Research Facility.

I guess you've never been to Stanford University.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-03-13   12:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#2)

In 2001 the newly elected Bush administration sought to nullify California's CAFE standards (so much for Republican support for state's rights) which were nothing more than on target for complying with Bush the elder's legislation. While Detroit was whining "its too hard, we can't" Japan was doing it.

That doesn't make sense... because......the CAFE standards are "HIGHER" in California (you live there.. right) than in any other part of the country. So if Detroit was whining "Its too hard, we can't" then Detroit slit its own throat.. (or should I say the unions slit their own throat)...... not Bush....

When you're paying somebody close to 6 figures a year to put screws in a dashboard then you are slitting your own throat!!!!!

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   12:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: CZ82 (#5)

That doesn't make sense... because......the CAFE standards are "HIGHER" in California (you live there.. right) than in any other part of the country. So if Detroit was whining "Its too hard, we can't" then Detroit slit its own throat.. (or should I say the unions slit their own throat)...... not Bush....

That's exactly right, they slit their own throats; I don't think unions held the knife though.

California sued.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-03-13   12:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CZ82 (#5)

When you're paying somebody close to 6 figures a year to put screws in a dashboard then you are slitting your own throat!!!!!

Heh, at least they are producing something useful unlike stockbrokers, financial consultants and their CEOs who created this recession with their derivatives markets, hedge funds etc, and then got rewarded with the opportunity to become banks again.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   12:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rek (#7)

Heh, at least they are producing something useful unlike stockbrokers, financial consultants and their CEOs who created this recession with their derivatives markets, hedge funds etc, and then got rewarded with the opportunity to become banks again

Thats not what we were talking about....... Green energy...... Detroit.......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   12:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CZ82 (#8)

Thats not what we were talking about....... Green energy...... Detroit.......

Then you shouldn't get off topic.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   12:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: lucysmom (#6) (Edited)

That's exactly right, they slit their own throats; I don't think unions held the knife though.

If you can't compete with you opponents then you go down.... right....

They held the knives themselves and had the nerve to whine about it.... I've seen up close the end result of the auto unions, Detroit is a slum and all of the auto plants in Dayton are gone.... That's a lot of people who are "NO LONGER EMPLOYEED" and some of them "NO LONGER HAVE PENSIONS" (some are my friends). Auto Unions aren't about the "WORKER" anymore, its all about the Union bosses and their leash holders the Dumbassocrats....... I've seen it I know....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   12:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rek (#7)

Heh, at least they are producing something useful unlike stockbrokers, financial consultants and their CEOs who created this recession with their derivatives markets, hedge funds etc, and then got rewarded with the opportunity to become banks again.

So then what the hell has this to do with an energy conversation??????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   12:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: CZ82 (#5)

That doesn't make sense... because......the CAFE standards are "HIGHER" in California (you live there.. right) than in any other part of the country. So if Detroit was whining "Its too hard, we can't" then Detroit slit its own throat.. (or should I say the unions slit their own throat)...... not Bush....

Some counties in California have no annual emissions testing requirement.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   12:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CZ82 (#11) (Edited)

So then what the hell has this to do with an energy conversation??????

You tell me. Derivatives markets and those who profit from them don't deal in energy too? I thought they did.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   12:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rek (#12)

Some counties in California have no annual emissions testing requirement

So what has that got to do with gas mileage standards??

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   12:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: CZ82 (#14) (Edited)

So what has that got to do with gas mileage standards??

I guess you were already aware of this. Emission systems have a lot to do with gas mileage, just ask any automotive engineer.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   12:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CZ82 (#10)

I've seen up close the end result of the auto unions, Detroit is a slum and all of the auto plants in Dayton are gone.... That's a lot of people who are "NO LONGER EMPLOYEED" and some of them "NO LONGER HAVE PENSIONS" (some are my friends). Unions aren't about the "WORKER" anymore its all about the Union bosses and their leash holders the Dumbassocrats....... I've seen it I know....

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -- Mark Twain

Do you know what a schema is? That's how you see what you think you know.

As long as you continue to blame unions for management decisions and mistakes there is no way problems can be solved.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-03-13   13:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CZ82 (#10)

If you can't compete with you opponents then you go down.... right....

A car plant in Fremont California that might have saved the U.S. car industry. In 1984, General Motors and Toyota opened NUMMI as a joint venture. Toyota showed GM the secrets of its production system: How it made cars of much higher quality and much lower cost than GM achieved. Frank Langfitt explains why GM didn't learn the lessons—until it was too late.

www.thisamericanlife.org/...rchives/episode/403/nummi

If you're interested in another perspective, listen to the program; if you think you know it all - forget it.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-03-13   13:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CZ82 (#14) (Edited)

Some counties in California have no annual emissions testing requirement

So what has that got to do with gas mileage standards??

We're free to increase MPG, since we don't worry about harmless emissions like CO2. Plants love it, and we have more horsepower than most of California too. Business is booming at speed shops, where smog equipment is changed out for stuff that works.

No smog inspection required in this California county, CARB region. In our own small way, we're saving the planet, from eco-nuts.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg...
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46

Hondo68  posted on  2011-03-13   13:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rek (#15)

I guess you were already aware of this. Emission systems have a lot to do with gas mileage, just ask any automotive engineer.

We were talking about CAFE standards which are "mileage" standards.....

Now emissions is another subject altogether..... If emissions has such a profound effect on mileage then "WHY" can you have high mileage vehicles that still release lots of emissions and it can pass an "Emissions Inspection"..... even in California...... I posted an article about this very subject the other night......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   13:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: CZ82 (#19) (Edited)

We were talking about CAFE standards which are "mileage" standards.....

Now emissions is another subject altogether..... If emissions has such a profound effect on mileage then "WHY" can you have high mileage vehicles that still release lots of emissions and it can pass an "Emissions Inspection"..... even in California...... I posted an article about this very subject the other night......

Please let me know how CAFE standards are being set without taking into account the emissions systems.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   13:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom, All (#0) (Edited)

Researchers from Stanford University and the University of California-Davis published...

...summoning the global will...

The only "global will" these hucksters are talking about is the global will of getting as many leftwing loonytoon regimes around the globe as they can to take as much of their suckered citizen sheeple's money as possible and give it to them in the form of grants for their pie-in-the-sky promise to fix their fabricated fiction of a Global Warming crisis. When 2050 rolls around these so-called scholar sleazeballs will be long gone enjoying spending the money they scammed out of pockets of taxpayers.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-03-13   13:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68, CZ82 (#18) (Edited)

We're free to increase MPG, since we don't worry about harmless emissions like CO2. Plants love it, and we have more horsepower than most of California too. Business is booming at speed shops, where smog equipment is changed out for stuff that works.

No smog inspection required in this California county, CARB region.

According to this Murron-like poster you are off topic, because IT doesn't understand the correlation.

We have lots of booming speed shops in my CARB county too. We also have a major raceway with NASCAR and Pinks, and drag races every Wed night during good weather.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   13:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lucysmom (#16) (Edited)

As long as you continue to blame unions for management decisions and mistakes there is no way problems can be solved.

Yes I blame "some" of the unions for "some" of the stupid decisions "their" management made. Like I said before paying some nimrod almost 6 figures to put screws in a dash isn't smart, you just priced yourself out of the game.... consequently, "American Brand" vehicle production dropped way down in this country....... There used to be "Auto" plants here in Ohio, where are they now???? not here (consequently population is way down)..... Detroits population used to be over 2 million now its less than 750,000.... why????? the auto plants are gone.... If the union management isn't stupid then WTF are they exactly??? It sure isn't smart!!!! So is it smart to give the Dumbassocrats all of their employees union dues and some of their pensions to help get them elected...... Sure doesn't look that way where are all of the "workers".... laid off.... retired with no pension..... or working for a non-union company......

Oh by the way you forget I work for a "private union" so yes I do have some perspective.......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   14:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

wind and solar

Not without a way to store the energy.

The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow. They will never be anything more than niche technologies unless there is a way to turn solar and wind energy into energy that can be stored until it's needed.

Yes, using solar and wind to split hydrogen from water, which can be stored and transported is a way to do it. Most of the major auto companies are investing in fuel cell technology. I've been saying for a few years that fuel cells, not plug-in electrics are probably the future. But there is a monumental task of creating a hydrogen infrastructure, including refueling stations. It will start happening in Hawaii and Germany shortly. So, we'll see.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-13   15:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#0)

Now here is a true environmental visionary


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-03-13   15:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rek (#20)

Please let me know how CAFE standards are being set without taking into account the emissions systems.

What kind of emissions CO, CO2, NOx or particulate matter????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   15:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: CZ82 (#26) (Edited)

What kind of emissions CO, CO2, NOx or particulate matter????

You tell me, since you're the one who posted they are two completely unrelated items.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-03-13   16:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rek (#27)

What kind of emissions CO, CO2, NOx or particulate matter????

You tell me, since you're the one who posted they are two completely unrelated items

I just wondered what you meant cause different fuels have different emissions levels.

Fuel economy is determined by a dynamometer test that measures carbon in the fuel. If you know how much carbon is contained in a gallon of whatever fuel it might be, then you can calculate its "mileage". But, because that fuel has a specific amount of carbon (no matter what) in it per gallon its going to have the "same amount of emissions" (no matter what)no matter how far you drive on a gallon of fuel.... So in effect saying a car has such and such emissions is actually kinda irrelevant. You can't control "emissions" until you find a way to reduce the carbon content in any fuel......

Now different fuels "emit" different levels of CO, CO2, NOx, and particulate matter. For instance diesel actually has less CO2 emissions than gasoline. But since it emits more of the other 3 it is much worse for the atmosphere than gasoline.

What does this all mean???? Manmade Global Warming is a Hoax.... he he he he he......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-03-13   17:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#0)

Look up:

One light bulb from alt energy USC

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-03-13   21:52:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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