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Opinions/Editorials Title: Is Wisconsin the Real Republican Waterloo? After the Affordable Care Act was passed in 2010, conservative writer David Frum called the passage of the bill the GOP’s “Waterloo” referencing Napoleon Bonaparte’s crushing defeat at the hands of the Duke of Wellington. This earned him the ire of his fellow conservatives and pushed him further outside the conservative movement. But David was wrong. If anything, the healthcare reform victory was the GOP’s Siege of Acre. Wisconsin is shaping up to be the real Waterloo. And not just Wisconsin, but also Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Arizona, Florida, and the rest of the over- reaching state Republicans. Governors like Scott Walker, Rick Scott, and Jan Brewer are riding on the coattails of the Tea Party, but they’ve become blind to the dangers of their radical policies. In Wisconsin, Democrats are already promising to step-up recall efforts. But the recalls are only a small part of what is likely going to be a huge anti-Republican backlash across the nation, as working Americans finally realize what that party actually stands for: an playing field heavily tilted toward the rich and powerful, toward corporate power, and against worker rights. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 51. Utter nonsense. What we are actually witnessing here is the final death of the 20th century. It isn't just the GOP proposing to make radical change. Look at governor Cuomo in New York. He's beating up on government bureaucrat unions too. He's now also proposing radical tort reform and part of his efforts to reign in healthcare costs. Reactionaries from government bureaucrats to trial lawyers are lashing out. It's not a surprise. The bottom line is that this is all simple math. We can no longer afford to have the unproductive segment of society leach off of the productive segment. We can no longer afford to fund schools and teachers that pump out functional illiterates. We can no longer afford to hand people checks to putter around in Florida in their lime green golf pants for 15 or 20 years. We are in a competitive global economy. This can't work anymore.
#3. To: jwpegler, go65 (#2) The bottom like is that this is all simple math. We can no longer afford to have the unproductive segment of society leach off of the productive segment. We can no longer afford to fund schools and teachers that pump out functional illiterates. We can no longer afford to hand people checks to putter around in Florida in their lime green golf pants for 15 or 20 years. So your solution is to under pay teachers who will educate the next generation? Ok, you will come back and say - no you don't to pay for this current crop of teachers. OK, let's say we fire them all and hire MIT geniuses as teachers. You think MIT grads will work for public schools that pay 50 grand a year? So then we will have to raise taxes and pay teachers 100K to 200K a year for the quality you are claiming would justify the increased taxes. I will leave out the part about keeping old people alive and just concentrate on the educational matters. By the way, we can afford all this if we tax the unproductive rich in America. I don't get this rich worship as if the rich somehow earned it and they are responsible for keeping all us lowly serfs from living in dirt.
#8. To: Godwinson, jwpegler (#3) Ok, you will come back and say - no you don't to pay for this current crop of teachers. OK, let's say we fire them all and hire MIT geniuses as teachers. You think MIT grads will work for public schools that pay 50 grand a year? So then we will have to raise taxes and pay teachers 100K to 200K a year for the quality you are claiming would justify the increased taxes. MIT geniuses make far less than say the CEO of ExxonMobil, which makes them less productive. What Jwpegler really wants is for the productive members of society, those making in the tens or hundreds of millions a year, do educate our students. I'm waiting to hear his plan as to how he's going to make that happen.
#9. To: go65 (#8) (Edited) What Jwpegler really wants is for the productive members of society, those making in the tens or hundreds of millions a year, do educate our students. What are you babbling about? Here's my plan: Supply and Demand in a Competitive Market. Supply and demand does a great job setting the price for computer programmers, all sorts of engineers, lawyers, accountants, and even auto mechanics. Supply and demand will set the right price for teachers as well. It's just that simple.
#10. To: jwpegler, go65 (#9) Supply and demand will set the right price for teachers as well. Yea, because the market is correct in valuing the salary of say, sports stars over say teachers.......
You so called conservative types have no clue what to do when you get the helm of the ship other than spout ideological slogans. You don't even want to copy the successful educational models from around the world because maybe a sex ed class would slip in and Americans may become like Scandinavians or something.
#11. To: Godwinson, capitalist eric (#10) (Edited) Yea, because the market is correct in valuing the salary of say, sports stars over say teachers....... So who should decide how much a sports star earns? You? Obama??? Or the tens of millions of people who decide for themselves to spend their own money to watch a game??? The free market is the ultimate democracy because it requires that people vote with their hard earned money. I don't spend my money going to sports games, buying burgers at McDonalds, and on a whole bunch of other things that many Americans enjoy. But unlike you, I am not angry and resentful of the people who deliver products and services that others like and I don't. I am angry when I am FORCED to pay for things that I don't want and just don't work, like the rotten government monopoly schools.
#13. To: jwpegler (#11) I am angry when I am FORCED to pay for things that I don't want and just don't work, like the rotten government monopoly schools. So how do you feel about possibly paying (with your taxes) some of the people on this website to sit at home all day argueing with you??????
#14. To: CZ82 (#13) So how do you feel about possibly paying (with your taxes) some of the people on this website to sit at home all day argueing with you?????? I hate paying for all these retired people on SS who argue against the benefits keeping them alive but what can you do.
#17. To: Godwinson (#14) I hate paying for all these retired people on SS who argue against the benefits keeping them alive but what can you do. So are you saying you have a job?????
#19. To: CZ82 (#17) So are you saying you have a job????? He changes bedpans at the local nursing home.
#28. To: jwpegler (#19) He changes bedpans at the local nursing home. So I see you also detest those who do honest work. Garbagemen must be the scum of the earth according to your elitist Republican standards.
#29. To: Rek (#28) Garbagemen must be the scum of the earth according to your elitist Republican standards. What elitist standards are you referring to? Have you checked out the wages of NYC garbagemen? They are pretty damn elitist in their own sense.
#30. To: no gnu taxes, jwpegler (#29) (Edited) What elitist standards are you referring to? Have you checked out the wages of NYC garbagemen? Sounds like a reality show ..."The Elitist Garbagemen of NYC/New Jersey".... who knew? Some who change bedpans make big wages too but it's not high enough on the totem pole for that snob, JwPegler.
#31. To: Rek (#30) Sounds like a reality show ..."The Elitist Garbagemen of NYC/New Jersey". They make 80,000 dollars a year, smartass. Which puts them in what the top 25% of wage earners. How much do you advocate raising the taxes of these elitists?
#48. To: no gnu taxes, Rek (#31) Sounds like a reality show ..."The Elitist Garbagemen of NYC/New Jersey". They make 80,000 dollars a year, smartass. I have noticed these kook conservatives always overstate the salaries of public workers. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/jobs/jobs.shtml The current starting salary of a Sanitation Worker is $31,200 per year. The current labor agreement provides for periodic increases to a maximum of $67,141 after 5 1/2 years.
#51. To: Godwinson (#48) The current starting salary of a Sanitation Worker is $31,200 per year. The current labor agreement provides for periodic increases to a maximum of $67,141 after 5 1/2 years. So whats wrong with making $67,000 a year, its a hell of a lot more than flipping burgers. But, its still less than what the Wisconsin school teachers are making.... And right under the add for Sanitation workers an add for a paper pusher. Guess sitting on your ass is worth more that actually having to work for a living.... typical Liberals..... City of New York DEPARTMENT OF SANITATION Job Vacancy Notice Civil Service Title: Administrative Staff Analyst Level: II Title Code No: 10026 Salary: $54,740 – $100,000 Office Title: Deputy Director of Payrolls Work location: Manhattan Division/Work Unit: Human Resources/Payroll Number of Positions: 1
And you still haven't answered the question, "Do you currently have a job"????
Replies to Comment # 51. I am independently weatlthy, I made a killing destroying American manufacturing and sending it overseas. Which means I am a Republican hero. I can buy and sell you like the peasant you are. And the issue is saying a sanitation worker makes $80 grand ayear - which is a lie. And that position - is a for an admin position - I rather pay the office workers less and the truck crew more and reverse the payment structure and like in most job adverts - no one starts off making 100K.
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