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Published: Mar 6, 2011
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2011-03-06 17:50:19 by A K A Stone
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Ok what is your favorite science fiction movies that you have seen. What are some good science fiction books you would recommend.
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Most science fiction movies stink because their science stinks.
Generally, the Star Treks are the best because they consulted with scientists to at least get basic terminology right. (e.g., they don't confuse the concept of a solar system, galaxy, and universe like almost all other science fiction movies do)
Some good ones:
I, Robot (Will Smith)
Predator (Schwarzenegger)
The Alien series
The first Matrix (there is scientific evidence that the universe is a hologram). The second and third Matrix movies stunk in my view, but the first one was interesting.
On the fun side...
Men in Black
Galaxy Quest
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#2. To: jwpegler (#1) (Edited)
"Generally, the Star Treks are the best because they consulted with scientists to at least get basic terminology right. (e.g., they don't confuse the concept of a solar system, galaxy, and universe like almost all other science fiction movies do)"
Well, the new re-boot the franchise movie fails on that count. Super Novas can destroy life on nearby star's planets, but they do not destroy everything in their path. And I doubt a quantum mechanical black hole containing the relatively small mass of a Romulan mining vessel would threaten the existance of the NCC 1701 Enterprise even it being of zero volume and infinite density.
I like that movie, but it is less accurate than previous Trek films. Even if the phaser battle and reaction to photon torpedos is more realistic.
#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
Well, the new re-boot the franchise movie fails on that count
I completely agree. The last Start Trek movie stunk. I hated it.
I was in the military. You don't go from a misfit to First Officer in a month and then get your own command. Commanding your own ship takes about 15 to 20 years of hard work.
I like my movies to have some sense of realism. The last Star Trek movie failed miserably on this count. I won't pay to see another one.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#4. To: jwpegler (#3)
I have to agree. I mean, it's possible Spock's Mum could of lived had Uhura not bothered the Acting Captain with a concerned lover's question when he was off on a time sensitive task to the doomed planet's surface.
Not only that, how the heck would Chekov know the gender of the person he lost a transporter lock on?
And of course Kirk's apple he was eating kept gaining or losing flesh to it throughout the Kobayashi Maru scene, and the sound of him eating the damn thing would not have been heard outside the simulation chamber, nor would we have heard Scotty's vocalizations under water after the transport to the Enterprise under warp.
And I could go on and on about the problems of that film. C.C. Abrams must of been on drugs whn he made it.
#5. To: Ferret Mike, jwpegler, A K A Stone (#2)
Well, the new re-boot the franchise movie fails on that count. Super Novas can destroy life on nearby star's planets, but they do not destroy everything in their path. And I doubt a quantum mechanical black hole containing the relatively small mass of a Romulan mining vessel would threaten the existance of the NCC 1701 Enterprise even it being of zero volume and infinite density.
The only thing about the new Star Trek I enjoyed was the actor who imitated Bones. He was spot on in copying the character. Beyond that the remake was crap from a science stand point, etc.
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#6. To: Ferret Mike, jwpegler, A K A Stone (#5)
Best science fiction show is Star Trek: Next Generation but all the Star Trek shows were pretty amazing and even the original classical consulted with Isaac Asimov to get the science as correct as possible for a TV show from the late 60s.
Star Wars is mythology not sci-fi.
The first Matrix movie is amazing. There are experiments that show our universe is one bung simulation and that when we are not looking parts of the universe don't exist - sort of asking of a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? - The answer maybe that if we are not observing the tree it does not even exist. That kind of blows your mind a little.
To be honest comic books are overlooked as sci fi works but comic books took the idea of alternate universes or parallel universes and ran with it and Marvel in the 70s really made an effort to inject real science into the abilities of its characters or to make them sound as real as possible. Comic books have stories regarding time travel, cloning, alternate universes, pocket dimensions, supernatural magick, etc.
So I would say comic books are probably the most prolific medium for sci fi right now.
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#7. To: A K A Stone (#0)
If one is really able to get past the fallacies and paradoxes (is that a word), then time travel movies are usually interesting.
The 1960 version of H.G. Welles "The Time Machine" was great. Yeah, they had WW III occurring in 1966 - but aside from that, the special effects were pretty good (considering it was before CGI).
One of the more interesting points in that movie for me was when he went way into the future and encountered the young people. One of them, a young woman, fell into a river and was drowning. None of the others seemed to care nor did anyone lift a finger to help. This lack of concern for human life completely puzzled him. (He did jump into the river and save the young woman.)
I think sometimes we've arrived at that place (where human life is devalued.)
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#8. To: Godwinson (#6)
Best science fiction show is Star Trek: Next Generation but all the Star Trek shows were pretty amazing and even the original classical consulted with Isaac Asimov to get the science as correct as possible for a TV show from the late 60s.
I like the original star trek the best. Voyager sucked.
Another interesting film was THX 1138
#9. To: Ignore Amos (#7)
It has been a while since I've seen The Time Machine. It was enjoyable. I saw the remake a few years ago and it wasn't as good imo.
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#4) (Edited)
And I could go on and on about the problems of that film. C.C. Abrams must of been on drugs whn he made it.
C.C. Abrams knows how to make a movie but not a clue about science. His movie 'Cloverfiled' was also garbage science wise. A big Godzilla monster - no matter how strong - could not survive bombings and shots from tanks. Sorry. Not gonna happen. They even have a scene in that movie where the monster steps on a tank and the tank gets squished. On a manhattan street what would have happened is the tank would have been pushed onto the subway tunnels beneath the streets and the crew inside would have been relatively OK - the tank would not be crushed.
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#11. To: Godwinson (#10)
C.C. Abrams
I enjoyed his HEROES TV series. Still have to catch the final season.
#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)
C.C. Abrams I enjoyed his HEROES TV series. Still have to catch the final season.
You mean't LOST.
HEROES was not a C.C. Abrams project, I am pretty sure.
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#13. To: Godwinson (#12)
You're right. The guy who played Spock on the new one came from Heroes.
Well. I liked Lost too.
#14. To: Ignore Amos, A K A Stone (#7) (Edited)
One of the more interesting points in that movie for me was when he went way into the future and encountered the young people. One of them, a young woman, fell into a river and was drowning. None of the others seemed to care nor did anyone lift a finger to help. This lack of concern for human life completely puzzled him. (He did jump into the river and save the young woman.)I think sometimes we've arrived at that place (where human life is devalued.)
The Eloi depicted in the classic movie did not match the book's version of them. In the book the Eloi barely look human - more like hobbits with simple minds living on a farm run by the Morlochs and in the movie they made them look like brain dead surfers. In any case the movie Eloi did not devalue human life - they were depicted as being farm bred simpletons.
In the book, the Morlocks and the Eloi have something of a symbiotic relationship: the Eloi are clothed and fed by the Morlocks, and in return, the Morlocks eat the Eloi. The Time Traveler perceives this, and suggests that the Eloi–Morlock relationship developed from a class distinction present in his own time: the Morlocks are the working class who had to work underground so that the rich upper class could live in luxury. In the classic movie they Morlochs went underground to escape a nuclear war.
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#15. To: Godwinson (#6)
"The first Matrix movie is amazing. There are experiments that show our universe is one bung simulation and that when we are not looking parts of the universe don't exist - sort of asking of a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? - The answer maybe that if we are not observing the tree it does not even exist. That kind of blows your mind a little."
IT'S AN AGENT!
I agree, I really loved the first Matrix film. There is no spoon.
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