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Bible Study Title: Ezekiel 38 - The Gog Magog War
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#2. To: A K A Stone, diva betsy ross (#0) Why do Americans have Russia on the side of the anti-Christ? The USA is a more likely a candidate for the state ruled by the anti-Christ. How long will you guys buy into this Hal Lindsey BS? Lindsey's earlier predictions all assumed that the Cold War would continue indefinitely, and had eschatological significance; he explicitly identified Russia with the apocalyptic figure of Gog. Protestant Evangelical kook-ism on display. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. #3. To: A K A Stone (#0) Jews stole the concept of "Gog and Magog" from Islam.
#4. To: war (#3) That is the stupidest thing I have ever saw you write. Gog and Magog predate Islam by what a thousand years.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4) Muslims make pilgrimage to the Tomb of Ezekiel. Why?
#6. To: A K A Stone (#0) Show me once piece of evidence that Gog / Magog is Russia. This was a Cold War fantasy concocted by the heretical Dispensationalists to prove that we were in the "last days". The Soviet Union is dead and Russia has their owns problems with Muslims in their country and on their southern border. "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 #7. To: war (#5) Muslims make pilgrimage to the Tomb of Ezekiel. Because they have a tiny bit of truth.
#8. To: jwpegler (#6) Show me once piece of evidence that Gog / Magog is Russia. This was a Cold War fantasy concocted by the heretical Dispensationalists to prove that we were in the "last days". I don't know for sure if it is Russia. It may or may not be. They are directly North of Israel though. I guess if you keep going we are too. Time will tell.
#9. To: jwpegler (#6) Also. We are in the last days.
#10. To: Godwinson (#2) Hal Lindsey is only one voice and his books are not engraved in stone. Many people believe that 38 might well be in the not distant future. If you don't believe, fine. Just know there are many of us who do and your beliefs aren't engraved in stone either.
#11. To: Don (#10) Many people believe that 38 might well be in the not distant future. All scholars before the crazies in America reinterpreted this through Cold War eyes indicate that this Biblical passage was about events of the era in which it was written. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. #12. To: Godwinson (#11) Nope. I'm pretty sure it says in the last days or in the latter days.
#13. To: Godwinson (#11) You keep saying us Americans. What are you a Mexican or something?
#14. To: jwpegler (#6) OriginsThe etymology of Gog/Magog remains uncertain, although it seems likely that one is derived from the other. The ma- at the beginning of Magog may indicate a land or it may mean "from", so that Magog means "of the land of Gog" or "from Gog". "Gog" itself may be the Hebrew version of the name Gyges, a king of Lydia who reigned roughly a century before the time of the prophet Ezekiel and made his kingdom a great power in the region - in Akkadian, the language of Babylon, Gyges was known as "Gugu", and if Ezekiel's Gog is Gugu/Gyges then "Magog" would mean "Land of Gyges".[4] Alternatively, Gog might derive from Magog. In this case "Magog" might refer to the magi of Cappadocia (modern Turkey) and Media (in modern geography, eastern Turkey and north-western Iran), or it might be a reference to Babylon itself (MGG, Magog in Hebrew, can be turned into BBL, Babil, or Babylon).[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog Then we have this at the same webpage. As RussiaAccording to one modern theory of dispensationalist Biblical hermeneutics, Gog and Magog represent Russia. Apocalyptic author Louis Bauman claimed that the word "Caucasian" came from the Arabic term "gog-i-hisn" for the mountains there which means "fortress of Gog".[40] However, this identification is unanimously rejected by even the most conservative of credentialed biblical scholars working in accredited institutions of higher learning.[41] It should be noted that the Scythians, who were identified by Josephus and others as being Magog, lived in what is now Russia and Ukraine. [citation needed] The legend of Gog and Magog, as well as the land of Rosh, also plays a significant part in the New Chronology of Russian pseudohistorian Anatoly Fomenko. The webpage has more and interesting information. Eze 38 also talks about other lands that will go against Israel and talks about what God Himself will do to those people. Many lands are in for some major troubles for attacking Israel.
#15. To: Godwinson (#11) Can you name a single instance in the past in which so many, diverse people attacked Israel and God made short work of them ala Eze 38?
#16. To: Don (#15) Can you name a single instance in the past in which so many, diverse people attacked Israel and God made short work of them ala Eze 38? Good point Don. I found this on youtube today and it gives you a glimpse into the mindset of what may happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH_X_yr5SMY&feature=player_embedded#at=14 I hope to God that the Arab people now become unified in Egypt, Yemen,Libya etc and force the west to cut their ties withŒ79; that bastardised place they call Israel, and force the Zionists sons of a thousand fathers out of Palestine..Maybe in our life time justice with be done, and the fucking Nazi/Zionist cunt bastards will feel the wrath of God. Ps I'm Christian and English...just in-case anyone thinks I'm an anti Jew Muslim. Viva Palestine...and fuck the Zionists ousamadidndoit 32 minutes ago
#17. To: A K A Stone (#13) You keep saying us Americans. What are you a Mexican or something? I wrote "before the crazies in America". I am not a Mexican but everyone in North and South America are technically Americans. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. #18. To: Don (#15) Can you name a single instance in the past in which so many, diverse people attacked Israel and God made short work of them ala Eze 38? It did not happen in modern times either since the wars Israel fought were all against Arabs. "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. #19. To: Godwinson (#17) Before you have said you americans. They are not United States Citizens.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#16) In the last days, more specifically The Great Tribulation, Israel will stand alone, at least with no other nations supporting them. Jerusalem will be encircled and destroyed. The surviving Israelis will seek protection in the hills of Jordan which is a natural protection for them. That is the time when Christ will return in the Second Coming. The people who aid the Israelis will be seen in a favorable light by God. What the US will be doing in this time is a question mark. I assume that this nation won't be able to help the Israelis or will be among those nations attacking them. In either case, I think the US is toast.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#19) Before you have said you americans. Where? "Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs. #22. To: Godwinson (#18) It did not happen in modern times either since the wars Israel fought were all against Arabs. Nice to see you admit that it didn't happen in the past. Hint....It is in the future.
#23. To: Godwinson (#18) It did not happen in modern times either since the wars Israel fought were all against Arabs. That is our point. Eze 38 is yet to be fulfilled. There are instances in which prophecy has a double fulfillment, but I don't know this is one of those instances.
#24. To: Godwinson (#21) Before you have said you americans. I'm not going to search for that. I think you said that. If you didn't then nevermind.
#25. To: Don (#20) The people who aid the Israelis will be seen in a favorable light by God. What the US will be doing in this time is a question mark. I assume that this nation won't be able to help the Israelis or will be among those nations attacking them. In either case, I think the US is toast. I don't remember the US being mentioned in the Bible. You would have thought those prophets could have foretold the name of the biggest power to ever be seen on earth. "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" #26. To: Rek (#25) I don't remember the US being mentioned in the Bible. You would have thought those prophets could have foretold the name of the biggest power to ever be seen on earth. Maybe we are the little horn. Catch my drift?
#27. To: Rek (#25) I don't remember the US being mentioned in the Bible. You would have thought those prophets could have foretold the name of the biggest power to ever be seen on earth. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What makes you think that the USA even exists when the end times come genius? What makes you think that in the fullness of time the USA will end up being "the biggest power to ever be seen on earth"? Did you see it on MSNBC or NPR? LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Living in mouth breather's empty noggins 24/7/365 totally rent free! #28. To: A K A Stone (#8) They are directly North of Israel though Lebanon and Syria are directly North of Israel "Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899 #29. To: A K A Stone (#7) (Edited) I hate to burst your bubble, but Jews were not the dominant society and religion in the middle east. It took marketing Jesus to the West that gave Judaism a modicum of legitimacy. It's also the only reason, but for the west, that "Israel" exists on a map today.
#30. To: war (#29) Narrow is the way that leads to life and wide is the way that leads to hell. Paraphrase there. The Bible said the Jews would be dispersed throughout the nations. They were. It also says in the last days they would return to the land. It happened. You might say because of the UN or something it happened. That isn't the reason. The UN didn't with their war for them, now did they? If you want to be an atheist. That is your problem, not mine. I sincerely hope you find the truth sometime. Because I do see good in you. At least good for a human being.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#30) I'm not an atheist. But, for you to be so willing to sell this nation down the path of self-destruction so that another nation - 2% of the population of this one - may "survive" because you believe in ghosts is insane, Stone
#32. To: war (#31) I'm not an atheist. Stone makes things up to make himself feel better. Reality isn't part of Stone's world.
#33. To: war (#31) What are you rambling about? I don't believe in ghosts dummy. You believe in the spontaneous combustion of mud. You're sounding kooky on this one.
#34. To: Skip Intro (#32) I'm not an atheist. His words are those of an atheist.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#33) (Edited) What are you rambling about? In which post? I don't believe in ghosts Sure you do. And not only do you believe in those ghosts but you also believe that they can perform magic. What's worse, is that you believe that these magic performing ghosts will return to Earth and take over for not even the first time but for the last. You believe in the spontaneous combustion of mud. What I do believe is that the infantile mindset required to make that statement is one that the person making it should be snug under its wooby and being read a bed time story.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#34) His words are those of an atheist. Only to someone who believes that his Ghost is better than all of the Other Ghosts.
#37. To: war (#36) You don't believe in ghosts?
#38. To: We The People (#37) Nope.
#39. To: war (#35) Don't ever say you are agnostic. You are definitely an atheist. Unless your posts are lies.
#40. To: war (#36) Only to someone who believes that his Ghost is better than all of the Other Ghosts. I don't believe in ghosts. I believe in God. But I will play your infantile game for a second. Why shouldn't a christian believe in only the God of the Bible? The satanic faiths say something completely different. So in your haste to be PC you are saying that someone should believe in things that are completely different. I pity you and your weak little mind.
#41. To: A K A Stone (#39) Don't ever say you are agnostic. I'm an agnostic.
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