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Title: German Firm To Buy NYSE
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Orlando Business Journal
URL Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/ ... 2/german-firm-to-buy-nyse.html
Published: Feb 11, 2011
Author: Orlando Business Journal
Post Date: 2011-02-11 13:50:59 by Brian S
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Although the deal is still subject to regulatory approval, Deutsche Börse AG is near to closing a $25 billion buyout of the New York Stock Exchange, reports the Wall Street Journal. The product of the merger would be the world's largest stock exchange, and would diminish New York's role in world financial markets.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Wall Strasse
America's demise is only going accelerate unless we dramatically reform the failed public school system, improve the business climate, and close the budget deficit.
NONE of those things will happen. go56, war, godwinson, lucysmom, etc... They all support the traitors within our government, from the POTUS on down. And they deserve the traitors' fate.
Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum. "You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai" Told you so (Christian democracy and he social market are superior to the Ronald Reaganomics ideology)....... http://www.social-europe.eu/2010/08/angela-merkel-the-world’s-‘most-valuable-leader’/ Angela Merkel: The World’s ‘Most Valuable Leader’ Forget Barack Obama. Forget the Hu Jintao/Wen Jiaboa duo, or David Cameron or Vladimir Putin. Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel is the world’s most important leader. The latest report showing Germany’s economy growing at a blistering annual rate of nearly 9%, well into recovery from a US-made economic collapse, is just further evidence of the obvious. Despite her carping critics who have bizarrely accused her of dithering, economic malpractice and über-nationalism, Frau Merkel right now is standing head and shoulders above the pack. If we selected a planetary MVL – Most Valuable Leader – she would be it. Following the economic crisis, Chancellor Merkel and French president Nicolas Sarkozy proposed sweeping regulatory changes, including a redesign of the international architecture of financial institutions. Using the subtle, coded language of diplomacy, they warned the new Obama administration not to block their attempts to crack down on hedge funds and derivatives, as well as on the corrupt rating agencies, outrageous bank bonuses and more. Is there any doubt that the foot-dragging US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner would have dithered even more had he not been pushed – shoved, more like it – by the Europeans, led by Merkel? Keeping in mind that Merkel is the leader of the conservatives in Germany, her defence of ‘social Germany’ has been no less eloquent and thoughtful than that of her Social Democrat predecessor, Gerhard Schröder. During this economic crisis and even before, she reasserted Germany’s desire to ‘retain essential elements of . . . social protection’ and ‘secure the future of the social market economy.’ She has continued to support works councils and worker-elected boards of directors of Germany’s major corporations, and maintained the ‘culture of consultation’ that has become a hallmark of Germany’s social capitalism. You would never catch any Democrat, even President Obama, making such bold declarations or proposals in support of the social dimensions of the US economy. At times, Merkel sounds like the FDR that many wanted Obama to be. It hasn’t been mere Merkel rhetoric to win votes, either. Rather than twiddling her thumbs while the private sector laid off millions of workers, like the Obama administration has done, Merkel’s government expanded Kurzarbeit, or ‘short-time work’, in which, instead of laying off millions, Germany spread the pain around by having employees work shorter weeks. Most of the workers’ lost wages have been made up from a special fund squirreled away during more prosperous times. In other words, instead of the government paying people not to work, as in US-style layoffs, it paid people to keep working, but at reduced hours. The impact has been darn near miraculous. According to OECD figures, while the unemployment rate in the US has more than doubled to almost 10%, and the unemployment rate for all OECD countries has increased by 3 percentage points, the unemployment rate in Germany has declined by 0.9 percentage points to 7.0% in May 2010. More Germans have money in their pockets, maintaining levels of consumer spending that drive the economy, and communities and households haven’t been decimated by layoffs like they have been in the United States. Businesses’ workforce has been kept intact, ready to strive for increased production now that the economic recovery has begun. Yet when Larry Summers, one of Barack Obama’s closest economic advisers, was asked why the president didn’t pursue short-time work to stem the economic bleeding, he dismissed the idea, saying the White House wanted to create new jobs, not preserve old ones – as if there is a conflict between those two aims. Leading European conservatives like Merkel and French president Sarkozy support the notion that corporations have social obligations. For all intents and purposes, the conservatives of Europe are now social democrats, even if not Social Democrats. The European political parties of the centre-right, and in many ways even the far-right, are to the left of the Democratic Party in the United States. Germany is not the land of Citizens United, that horrible recent US Supreme Court decision that expanded the jurisprudence that says corporations have individual rights like people do, further undermining the social dimension of America’s political economy. Indeed, when Volkswagen, which is the largest carmaker in Europe and is 20 percent owned by the German state government of Lower Saxony (where Volkswagen is based), wanted to abolish Lower Saxony’s blocking minority rights, Merkel sided with the state government, a position that would be anathema to an American conservative, or even most Democrats. Merkel’s economic stewardship has steered Germany further away from the American path of Wall Street’s casino capitalism. In particular, the Germans believe that a manufacturing economy with strong stakeholder rights is the best hope for getting away from a type of capitalism that is over reliant on financial speculation and has led to such catastrophic bubbles. Merkel was once asked by then British Prime Minister Tony Blair what the secret was of her country’s economic success, which includes being the world’s largest exporter and running substantial trade surpluses in recent years. She famously replied, ‘Mr Blair, we still make things’. In Germany, manufacturing still dominates finance because Deutschland capitalism didn’t succumb to the financialisation of the economy that swept the United States and Britain in the 1980s under Reagan and Thatcher. In the US, this led to a tripling in the size of the financial sector as a percentage of both the overall economy and of corporate profits, as well as a loss of millions of manufacturing jobs. Werner Abelshauser, an economic historian at the University of Bielefeld in Germany, says the European way of running the economy ‘is fundamentally about a banking system based on patient capital and firms that emphasise high-quality products and long-term relationships between suppliers and customers’. At this point, the results speak for themselves. The smart policies of the shrewd Frau Merkel’s government have contributed to Germany’s recent economic success, while the timid policies of the Obama administration so far have led to a lacklustre economic recovery.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The capitalist swine hObama got a tub of Heineken and a bag of cookies, out of the deal.
There are a whole lot of people in this country who believe that we have to build things to remain prosperous including Pat Buchanan, Donald Trump, and myself. We still build software. We still build airplanes. Our micro-electronics business has almost completely disappeared overseas with the Japanese innovating and the Taiwanese and Chinese running production. Merkel is the most Conservative Chancellor Germany has had in the post-WWII period. She has pushed through enormous reforms, including slashing the corporate tax rate. Please, don't be stupid and point to her as some sort of socialist icon. She's not. Your buddies on the left in Germany HATE her. Germany still has issues as well, especially their hidebound labor laws that make it difficult for people to leave their jobs and move to new companies. It took my company two years to get rid of an under-performing General Manager and replace him. Insofar as the "financialization" of the economy is concerned, no one did more to turn the economy over to Wall Street than Clinton, whose administration was completely run by Goldman Sacs, under the direction of Bob Rubin.
Listen, to you and your tea bagger allies, Merkel and her "Christian democratic" philosophy is "socialist". I have advocated for the "Christian democratic inspired "social market" from my first posting on here. But you kooks on the failed American right (as represented on here) quickly labelled it 'socialism'. This is one of the first things I posted on here: And I see you attacking me for daring to support this view that you now say is accurate. Fuck you, you delusional tea bagger. Because of people like you and your knee jerk, cult like following of Rush Limbough-esque ideology the nation's wealth was gutted. What America looks like now is what you get with unregulated Laissez-Faire Capitalism. And don't go into your protests that we don't have 100% pure Laissez-Faire Capitalism because what we have is close enough and make it closer to 100% would actually have made the problems worse!
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
That's rule one: if they don't understand something they are to call it socialism.
Fuck them. They failed in their ideology the way commies failed in theirs. They can't accept that the BS they swallowed since Reagan's sociopathic ideas (let businesses be free to rape and pillage and offshore and mass fire employees even if making a profit at the time and defend CEO pay and golden parachutes) fucked up America led to her near ruin. And you know what? Reagan was probably a socio-path. He had no empathetic emotions. He could not connect emotionally even with his own children. Socio-paths can fake having emotions - and thus his acting allowed him top blend in - but they don't understand them. That is why Reagan embraced corporations as ideal - because corporations left unregulated and to their own devices operate like socio-paths do. The corporation is compared to a sociopath. The sociopathic personality is irresponsible, manipulating, grandiose, lacking in empathy, has antisocial tendencies, refuses to accept responsibility for its actions, and cannot feel remorse....Many of the attitudes people adopt and the actions they execute when acting as corporate operatives can be characterized as sociopathic. Moreover, by the legal way a corporation is set up, its only motive is profit. Every action taken, no matter how altruistic it looks, has to ultimately be a search for profits. Otherwise, the corporation is subject to litigation by the shareholders. The corporation is deliberately programmed and legally compelled to externalize (dump) costs (pollution, for example) without regard for the harm it may cause. Every cost it can unload onto the general public is a benefit to stockholders - a direct route to profit. Many major corporations habitually engage in criminal behavior with records worse than even the most prolific human criminals. GE collected 42 heavy fines over 11 years - akin to a hardened repeat criminal receiving occasional hand slaps while on perpetual parole. Corporations don't mind chalking these fines up as a cost of doing business - then delegating a committee to figure out how to cover their tracks better in the future. Sounds a lot like a sociopath.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You keep thinking I am a "Democrat" or something like that or a 'leftist". I have stated repeatedly I am a Conservative of the "Social Market" + "Christian democrat" variety and to me - being that I have lived in both the USA and Europe - I find the American "conservative" as he has become these last 10 years to be bat shit crazy.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You have to be the dumbest person I've ever run across. Seriously. In many ways, Germany today is less socialist than the U.S. Germany has a lower corporate rate than the U.S. Germany has a less progressive income tax system than the U.S. Germany has a smaller annual budget deficit than the U.S. as a percentage of GDP. Germany has a smaller national debt than the U.S. as a percentage of GDP. Germany spends less per student and less as a percentage of GDP on their public school system than does the U.S., yet their schools do a better job. (Yes, Germany's school are largely run by the states, like the U.S., and not by the central government as you incorrectly claim.) In other ways, Germany is more socialistic, especially around labor mobility, which hurts them a great deal in many ways. Your entire dimwitted argument since you've been on this board has been this: Europe is great. The U.S. stinks. It's not an either / or proposition. The real question is why is Germany doing better than the U.S. right now? I've just told you: lower corporate taxes and more fiscal responsibility -- things that leftists hate and argue against. The same thing can be said about China. It some ways they are MUCH more capitalistic than the U.S. In other ways, their government is very arbitrary and non-transparent. They have some conditions that are better than those in the U.S. while other conditions are horrible. It's not an either / or situation. You don't have the ability or desire to look at facts and analyze the situation to determine cause and effect. You just don't. I have no use for a worthless propagandist like you.
Yea, Germany is hurting all right...prosperity is painful. Lower unemployment really is the most painful feeling of all..... And all that universal health care -- you know the Germans are hurting real bad....
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The main elements of the Social Market Economy in Germany are basically: A) The Social Market Economy contains the central elements of the free market economy such as private property, free foreign trade, exchange of goods and free formation of prices. B) Other elements shall diminish occurring problems of the free market economy. These elements, such as pension insurance, health care and unemployment insurance are part of the social security system. The payments to the social security system are mainly made by the labor force. In addition, there are provisions to restrain the free market (e.g. anti-trust code, laws against the abuse of market power etc.). Republican pukes are against part B.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I've been in 26 countries. I've been in Germany more than 20 times. European conservatives do not talk like you do. You're nothing more than a lying propagandist whose sole purpose is to bash conservatives. Everyone on this board who has half of a brain understands this very clearly.
Uh. We are practicing Obamonics right now. Not Reaganomics.
They talk just like me. Want to see them say stuff on record calling George Bush's America a shit hole? or this: If consumer-driven growth was the order of the day in the post-World War II era, in the new era of Pax Germania it will be steady-state economic growth — not too fast, but not too slowly — and producing value-added products that the rest of the world wants to buy. Utilizing more conservation and renewable energy technologies than the United States, Germany already has reduced its carbon footprint to half that of America’s — and it provides universal health care and has less inequality.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
It can be summed up easily. We have been run by baby boomers for the last 20 years. Then the african.
Until Obama overturns deregulation laws - which he has not - and begins -re-regulating all business - which he has not - he is operating in the world of reaganomics - and reaganomics in 30 years gutted America.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
LOL. It's the first time Germany has had lower unemployment than the U.S. since the 1970s. For most of the last three decades, the German unemployment rate has been over 9 or 10%. The reason is that U.S. government has gotten to too fat and stupid under both Bush and Obama, while the German government has done some of the right things (like slashing the corporate tax rate) under Merkel. Again, you are incapable of analyzing facts and understanding cause and effect. You are nothing but a dumb propagandist.
You don't like freedom. That is easy to see. You think people have to be controlled by the elite.
No. We have been run by Reaganomics deregulators for the last 30 years. If you support deregulating business and shrinking govt from oversight of business as somehow killing business you are the one responsible for the collapse of the economy because you gave ideological support to the Wall Street financiers and the corporations who offshored America to death.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Clinton and the Republicans passed NAFTA. Not Reagan. And before you say Reagan proposed NAFTA. Not the version we got.
When I play sports I like rules. Does rules make baseball totalitarian? Freedom does not exist without responsibility. Especially true when you allow corporations - which have no responsibilities to their community other than the profit motive to act like socio-paths.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You support the overthrow of the constitution. We are still suffering under FDR's fiat money system. That is more to the root then anything Reagan ever did. The economy soared under Reagan.
Reagan never met a law that helped corporations rake in bucks at the expense of their workers or society he did not like. In any case I am arguing that Reagan created the lake we all swam in these last 30 years - and that lake is now toxic. He is the genesis of this failed system. Just like the system Lenin created was not the same as the system Stalin made - but Lenin started Stalin down that path.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Me too. I wish our government would obey the constitution. Also. You don't like rules or you would support the proofers in demanding Obama prove he is a citizen.
Reagan won 49 states. So he was automatically right. He wouldn't have done that if he was wrong. FDR never did that.
False and whatever gains were made were not sustainable. Like driving a sports car full speed - no restrictions or safety valves - sure for a while the car is doing record speed - then the car crashes and burns. While the station wagon slowly moves forward - even if over regulated.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Reagan was a great salesman - sold America a lemon.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Yep and thanks to Reagan, the 80s and 90s where a great period in American history. Unfortunately Bush / Obama have centralized government more than anyone since LBJ. That's the problem.
While you birthers were busy, Germany bought our stock market. Learn how to say “Your Papers, Please!” in German.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You mean when America lost her manufacturing to China? I am sure it was a great period for Chinese manufacturing and American credit card businesses.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The U.S. is still the largest manufacturer in the world. China has been catching up quickly after Reagan left office because they support their businesses while U.S. leftists have saddled American businesses with the highest corporate tax rates in the world and one of the most onerous regulatory systems. Again, you propagandize. I state facts.
LOL!!!!
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Look at the graph bozo. You propagandize. I state facts.
You propagandize. I state facts. That includes mining - China is resource poor - and utilities as in power generation - they count that as manufacturing also. I am pretty sure they count tree growing as manufacturing as well and coal mine output is included in the USA numbers. In any case, that skews the figures to make it seem like America produces more goods than China - but it does not do so. Clearly utilities is the major factor in the chart variance between manufacture and export because the USA exports very little energy abroad.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Wrong again bozo China produces almost three times the amount of coal than we do. You need to stop embarrassing yourself. You propagandize. I state facts.
You are out of your gourd! The Heritage Foundation Index of Economic Freedom ranks China 135, and give it a score of 52. The government has allowed some business freedom, but the overall regulatory framework lacks transparency and remains complex, arbitrary, and unevenly implemented. Enforcement of regulations can be ineffective, hampered by petty corruption and bureaucracy. Rigid labor regulations still hinder overall employment and productivity growth, though enforcement is poor. The labor law introduced in 2008 allows employees more contractual rights. Dismissing employees may require prior consultation with local labor bureaus and labor unions. www.heritage.org/index/country/China China's GDP per capita is $6,567 which makes it just the place for cheap labor conservatives.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Neocon libtard globalists = Clueless communists aka, your peers
We are talking about dollar amount not volume.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#2. To: Brian S, capitalist eric, go65 (#0)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#3. To: jwpegler (#2)
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.
-- Marcus Tullius Cicero -- 
#4. To: Brian S, jwpegler, capitalist eric, go65, lucysmom (#0)
The product of the merger would be the world's largest stock exchange, and would diminish New York's role in world financial markets.
#5. To: Godwinson (#4)
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#6. To: Godwinson (#4)
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the Germans believe that a manufacturing economy with strong stakeholder rights is the best hope for getting away from a type of capitalism that is over reliant on financial speculation
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#7. To: jwpegler (#6)
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Please, don't be stupid and point to her as some sort of socialist icon. She's not. Your buddies on the left in Germany HATE her.
#8. To: Godwinson (#7)
But you kooks on the failed American right (as represented on here) quickly labelled it 'socialism'.
#9. To: Abu el Banat (#8)
That's rule one: if they don't understand something they are to call it socialism.
#10. To: jwpegler, Abu el Banat (#6)
Insofar as the "financialization" of the economy is concerned, no one did more to turn the economy over to Wall Street than Clinton, whose administration was completely run by Goldman Sacs, under the direction of Bob Rubin.
#11. To: Godwinson (#7)
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#12. To: jwpegler, Abu el Banat (#11)
In other ways, Germany is more socialistic, especially around labor mobility, which hurts them a great deal in many ways.
#13. To: jwpegler (#11)
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The real question is why is Germany doing better than the U.S. right now
#14. To: Godwinson (#10)
I have stated repeatedly I am a Conservative of the "Social Market"
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#15. To: Godwinson (#4)
#16. To: jwpegler (#14)
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European conservatives do not talk like you do.
#17. To: Godwinson (#16)
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#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)
Uh. We are practicing Obamonics right now. Not Reaganomics.
#19. To: Godwinson (#12)
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Yea, Germany is hurting all right...prosperity is painful. Lower unemployment really is the most painful feeling of all.....
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#20. To: Godwinson (#18)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#17)
It can be summed up easily. We have been run by baby boomers for the last 20 years.
#22. To: Godwinson (#21)
financiers and the corporations who offshored America to death.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#20)
You don't like freedom. That is easy to see. You think people have to be controlled by the elite.
#24. To: Godwinson (#23)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Clinton and the Republicans passed NAFTA. Not Reagan. And before you say Reagan proposed NAFTA. Not the version we got.
#26. To: Godwinson (#23)
When I play sports I like rules.
#27. To: Godwinson (#25)
#28. To: A K A Stone (#24)
The economy soared under Reagan.
#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Reagan won 49 states. So he was automatically right. He wouldn't have done that if he was wrong. FDR never did that.
#30. To: Godwinson (#25)
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Reagan created the lake we all swam in these last 30 years
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#31. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Also. You don't like rules or you would support the proofers in demanding Obama prove he is a citizen.
#32. To: jwpegler (#30)
Yep and thanks to Reagan, the 80s and 90s where a great period in American history.
#33. To: Godwinson (#32)
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You mean when America lost her manufacturing to China?
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#34. To: jwpegler (#33)
The U.S. is still the largest manufacturer in the world.
#35. To: Godwinson (#34)
LOL!!!!
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#36. To: jwpegler (#35)
Look at the graph bozo.
#37. To: Godwinson (#36)
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China is resource poor - and utilities as in power generation... coal mine output is included in the USA numbers.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#38. To: jwpegler (#33)
China has been catching up quickly after Reagan left office because they support their businesses while U.S. leftists have saddled American businesses with the highest corporate tax rates in the world and one of the most onerous regulatory systems.
#39. To: lucysmom (#38)
The Heritage Foundation Index
#40. To: jwpegler (#37)
China produces almost three times the amount of coal than we do.
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