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Title: Seven Reasons Why Barack Obama Is Not A Christian
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Christian Anti-Defamation Commission
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Published: Jan 05, 2009
Author: Rev. Don Hamer
Post Date: 2011-02-10 18:58:15 by Murron
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Video Transcripts: Seven Reasons Why Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Monday, 05 January 2009 18:13 VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #1 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #1: Obama Believes There Are Many Paths to Heaven I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 1 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian, by any biblical or historic measure. In a 2004 interview with Cathleen Falsani, Obama said, “I believe that there are many paths to the same place.” Obama also said, “All people of faith—Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone knows the same God.” But Jesus said in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Nowhere in the Bible is there a reference to Obama’s “many paths.” At a meeting of evangelical leaders in 2008, Obama was asked whether he believed Jesus was the only way to salvation. Obama replied, "Jesus is the only way for me."'[2] In a stunning example of subtle, diabolical deceit, Obama affirms Christ as his own Savoir then negates Christ as the only Savior of the world. Jesus warned us not to be deceived by those who would lead us astray. “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.” Jesus is the narrow gate and the only way to heaven. Obama’s view says, in effect, that Jesus’ death on the cross was unnecessary since there are multiple ways to God. The many paths of Obama are in reality just the broad road to destruction. Who are you going to believe, Jesus Christ or Barack Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #2 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #2: Obama Denies the Authority of the Bible I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 2 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian, by any biblical or historic measure. God’s people confess that the Bible is God’s inspired and infallible Word and the Christian’s final authority of faith and practice. In a recent speech Obama distinguished himself from those who believe in the authority of the Bible. “Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do.” Obama went on to disparage and denigrate the scriptures. In a very cynical way, Obama twists selective scriptures to advance non-Biblical lifestyles using the golden rule to justify supporting homosexual sodomy. Obama even invokes the Bible by applying biblical pages to his campaign’s theme of political hope that actually refer to the hope Christians have in Christ. “At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise, that American promise, and in the words of scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.” Obama twists the Bible in an attempt to lend credibility to his agenda, even though he denies the Bible and it’s clear moral teachings. Obama is even derisive of faithful African American pastors who treat the Bible with respect. For Obama, his opinion, not the scripture, is the final authority. Jesus prayed to His Father, “Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.” Who are you going to believe, Jesus or Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #3 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #3: Obama Supports Homosexuality I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 3 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian. Barack Obama is an unabashed supporter of special privileges for homosexuals, a stand that flies in the face of the biblical prohibition on homosexual sodomy. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus affirmed that every “jot and tittle” of the Bible is true, including the parts that condemn homosexuality.In an interview with the homosexual publication, the Advocate, Obama attacked faithful black pastors who faithfully proclaim what the Bible says about homosexuality. “…most African-American churches are still fairly traditional in the interpretations of Scripture. And so from the pulpit or in sermons you still hear homophobic attitudes expressed.” However, Obama lavished praise on his controversial former pastor and mentor, Jeremiah Wright, for being “very good on gay and lesbian issues.” Obama’s former church, Trinity United Church of Christ voted recently to approve of homosexual marriage. Obama dismissed as “obscure,” the clear and definitive teaching of the Apostle Paul in Romans 1 that calls homosexual acts “indecent” and “perverse.” Obama has also promised to overturn the Federal Defense of Marriage Act and promised to reverse the “don’t ask, don’t tell policy regarding homosexuality in the US military. When it comes to homosexuality, Obama opposes the traditional, biblical and historic standards of the Christian faith. Who are you going to believe, God and his Word or Barack Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #4 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #4: Obama Supports Abortion I’m Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 4 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any biblical or historic standard. Appearing before a recent meeting of Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in America, Obama proudly said… “I have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.” Obama says, “The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act.” This act would stop states from restricting abortions of any kind, even partial birth abortion. Throughout the history of the church, Christians have opposed abortion because they believe that life begins at conception. Abortion is as an attack on the innocent human life of a baby who is made in the image of God. Obama recently said at a Forum hosted by Pastor Rick Warren that to know when a baby ought to have human rights it is “above his pay grade,” but he is very clear that a baby can be killed anytime, even after it is born. On four separate occasions Obama has voted against bills that prevented the killing of infants that are born alive, having survived an attempted abortion. Who are you going to follow, God and his Word or Barack Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #5 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #5: Obama Affirms Muslim Prayer Hello, I am Rev. Don Hamer for the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 5, why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any biblical or historic or standard. In a New York Times interview in 2007, entitled Obama, A man of the World, Obama fondly recalled the Islamic evening call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” According to the article, “Obama went on to recite its opening lines with a perfect Arabic accent: “Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that there is no god but Allah! I witness that Muhammad is his prophet!” The article said this would “give any one living Alabama a heart attack.” Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God’s True Prophet, the full and final revelation of God. No true Christian can say the Muslim call to prayer is a “pretty sound” because it is a direct challenge to the truthfulness of Jesus Christ as the Word of God made flesh. Mohammad denied that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The Muslim call to prayer affirms that Mohammad is God’s prophet. Jesus said, “For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice." John 18:37 NKJV Who are you going to believe, Jesus or Obama? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #6 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #6: Obama is Associated with Black Liberation Theology Hello, I am Rev. Don Hamer, on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission, with reason number 6 why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any historic or biblical standard. For 20 years Barack Obama was a member of a Trinity United Church of Christ, one of the most radical “Afro-centric” churches in America, lead by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Rev. Wright is a self described Black Liberation theologian who, according to Obama, was his spiritual mentor. Rev. Wright railed against the United States after the attacks of September 11th saying, “Not God bless America, God D*** America!” Wright preached that 9/11 was God’s “payback” to the United States for “ignoring black concerns.” Wright even said that HIV/AIDS (HIV / AIDS Victims 2) is a plot, orchestrated by the U.S. government, to kill blacks. Obama initially defended Wright, but then resigned from the church only after Wright’s radical views became a political liability. Black Liberation theology is from the 1970s and is based upon Marxism, socialism and class warfare. Although discredited decades ago, it still lives on at Obama’s home church. According to Black Liberation Theologian, James Cone, racial identity trumps the fact that he is a Christian. "The fact that I am Black is my ultimate reality… it is impossible for me to surrender this basic reality for a ‘higher, more universal’ reality.” “Black theology knows no authority more binding than the experience of oppression itself. This alone must be the ultimate authority in religious matters.” Black liberation theology declares that whites are essentially evil and are to be viewed as the enemy. "Whiteness as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man’s depravity… the coming of Christ means… destroying the white devil in us… in white racist society, Christian obedience can only mean being obedient to blackness, it’s glorification and exaltation… all white churches (are) anti-Christian in their essence." The fact is, there is a mixture of good and evil in every person and in every race. All have sinned and fall short of God’s glory. Jesus rejected race based theology. The Jews and the Samaritans of Christ’s day despised each other and even had rival places of worship, but Jesus said to a Samaritan woman. “The hour is coming and now is when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship him.” John 4:23 True worship, according to Jesus, transcends a person’s race. By creation, all mankind share one blood. In redemption, all who believe, from any race, are saved by Christ. In heaven there will people of every tongue, tribe, people and nation in heaven who have been saved by God’s grace in Jesus Christ. Who are you going to believe, Jesus or Obama’s black liberation theology? VIDEO TRANSCRIPT: Reason #7 Barack Obama Is Not A Christian Reason #7: Obama Has No Bona Fide Christian Testimony Hello, I am Rev. Don Hamer on behalf of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission with reason number 7, why Barack Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is not a Christian by any biblical or historic standard. By Obama’s own account of his essential elements of true biblical conversion are lacking, namely, conviction of sin, repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of the world. When asked if he believed in sin, Obama said “Yes.” But when asked to define it, Obama said sin is, “Being out of alignment with my values.” Obama said he feels most aligned spiritually “when I’m being true to myself.” According to the Bible, when man sins, he sins against a Holy God in the violation of God’s holy law. Sin is not based on any man’s standards. Righteousness is obedience to God and his word. Obama is offended by the notion that all people need Christ in order to be saved. “The difficult thing about… Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize... There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.” So, if Jesus is not a Savior who rescues from hell, then who is Jesus to Obama? “Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.” This is not the testimony of a true Christian. For Obama, Jesus is merely a historical figure not the risen and living Lord. For Obama, Jesus is merely “a” bridge in the “Christian faith,” not the only bridge for all mankind. For Obama, Jesus is a means to some vague “higher” thing. To the Christian, knowing and experiencing Christ is the highest attainment of the Christian life. Obama venerates doubt, which is contrary to the assurance of eternal salvation and truth which Christ gives his people. Asked if he was “born again,” Obama answered, “Yeah … [but] I retain… a suspicion of dogma… I think that religion at it's best comes with a big dose of doubt… I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die.” Asked to describe the day he was converted Obama denies that there was any kind of supernatural enlightenment or an epiphany or a specific moment when he finally “got it.” “I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me.” Obama’s testimony does not have the marks of a bona fide biblical conversion. Jesus gives his assurance that “He who believes on me has everlasting life,” and “I go to prepare a place for you!” When asked where he finds inspiration, Obama does not mention a relationship with Christ. He does mentions a lot of things church, but not Jesus. When asked who was his role model he mentions Gandi. “Gandhi is a great example of a profoundly spiritual man who acted and risked everything on behalf of those values but never slipped into intolerance or dogma. He seemed to always maintain an air of doubt about him.” No mention of Christ. Without the public admission that you are lost in sin and that you have turned from your sin and put your faith in Christ and his shed blood as the only remedy for sin, you are not truly converted. Who are you going to believe, God and his Word or Obama?
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#1. To: Murron (#0)
Congratulations on making the stupidest post of the day.
I would nominate any post of yours. It's hard to know which one since you don't seem capable of composing any thought of more than 10 words.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
If you're so smart, refute all, or any part of it....
If the author were a true Christian, he would know that only god knows what is in a person's heart. Any discussion like this is just utter nonsense.
I am amused too, as many right wing people run from Gary Cass and the cover group putting out that piece. CADC has no veracity nor respect in right wing circles, and this shows Murron's very superficial knowledge on right wing advocacy, and that all she did here was troll Google or bing looking for a piece in this particular topic in order to do what she is famous for: sucking up to the host of any forum she is on.
Well now, that's true, but I believe Obama is in a possition to deceive many, and I think it right to expose those who twist Gods word to suit their own nafarious reasons....jmo~
Just another wackjob cultist saying anyone who doesn't believe exactly what he does isn't a christian. Typical bullshit from a scumbnag like you.
nafaric, Mammy? Is that a word?
You're confusing a post with a posted article. It's understandable, knowing how limited you are mentally.
CADC has no veracity nor respect in right wing circles, and this shows Murron's very superficial knowledge on right wing advocacy, and that all she did here was troll Google or bing looking for a piece in this particular topic in order to do what she is famous for: sucking up to the host of any forum she is on. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
You should follow that advice, although it's way too late now.
Is that a word? I'm sure it is, but it's the wrong one, my mistake, I meant to say 'nefarious'.
I hate to break this to you, but Mr. Cass is noted on many counts for being wrong. For example, there is no evidence whatsoever that the whole Israel in captivity thing ever happened as he loves to rant about. The pyramids were built by Egyptians. Archaeologists have found their houses. What they have not found is any evidence that thousands of people wandered in the Sinai for decades. We have a lot of records from that period and no Egyptian sentry seems to have been aware of all those people crossing the border, coming or going. There are lots of examples of the lunacy of this Fascist's ranting being erroneous. And he is someone mainstream conservatism run from as fast as it can.
That is certainly true. But at this point we can attribute his deceptions to a warped political view. I know that early in his presidency there were some loons (mostly in Europe) who declared him to be some kind of "savior". But that's over and done with. At this point, he's a failed politician. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Obama does say there are many paths. That makes him an antichrist. For he denies what christ clearly taught. That means Obama is going to hell. Why would anyone want a leader of their country who is going to hell?
According to people like you, everybody but you is going to hell. Why should anybody pay any attention to you? You've shown time and time again you don't even understand the most basic concepts of your religion. For example, you apparently don't seem to realize that Jesus had to die for you to be saved. Therefore calling people "christ killers" is just stupid, since that was the plan all along.
The only people I've ever seen call him "Messiah" are people on the far right. You are right, though. He's nothing but a failed politician, not exactly something unique these days.
There are many examples proving Gary Cass wrong about President Obama never talking about his relationship with Jesus Christ. And the First Amendment by your argument is Satanist as it respects the right of religious freedom. It is the job of the President to defend religious freedom and to develop respect for all faiths. Obama is just doing what every president before him does as part of his upholding of the U.S. Constitution by showing respect for religious diversity. The above quote from the above piece I also linked is one of many examples refuting accurately Cass' claim Obama has never cited a personal devotion and relationship with Jesus.
Then you are either lying or much less informed than I thought. There are many more assertions like this, from your friends on the loony left.
Stone apparently doesn't realize that before the Reformation, there was exactly one christian church and anyone who wasn't a member of it was going straight to hell!. After the Reformation, hundreds of christian sects appeared, most of which believed that anyone who wasn't a member of their sect was going straight to hell. It's still the same today, as people like Stone show us.
I don't give a rat's ass what Europeans say. Show me people on the left here saying that.
How typical of you, the ol 'divert thier attention' maneuver, but this thread IS NOT about Reagan, or Bush, it's about your messiah, Obama ... I posted this thread as a rebuttal to your BS claim, in other words, you're a LIAR, and I've called you on it.... To: A K A Stone (#8) "Well President has been a Christian his entire life, and has a deep and personal relationship with Christ. I was not impressed with the deceptively cut video you posted a while back, and the footage showing him supporting the religious diversity called for in the Constitution's first Amendment is what presidents do. I believe your xenophobia and racist attitudes are very unchristian in nature, and I would say you seem to have a way to go to get to the level of Christian belief President Obama has". Ferret Mike
http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisking-war-on-terror-once-upon- time.html Fisking War On Terror Once Upon Time Posted on 08/02/2005 by Juan Fisking the “War on Terror” Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan’s instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a “biblical checklist” for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the “Christian” political line. If a congressman didn’t support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (“freedom fighters”). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. Fisking War On Terror Once Upon Time Posted on 08/02/2005 by Juan Fisking the “War on Terror” Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan’s instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a “biblical checklist” for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the “Christian” political line. If a congressman didn’t support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (“freedom fighters”). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power. On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians. In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US military presence in the Muslim holy land. Fisking War On Terror Once Upon Time Posted on 08/02/2005 by Juan Fisking the “War on Terror” Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party. Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan. Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan’s instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources. Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions. Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda. In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a “biblical checklist” for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the “Christian” political line. If a congressman didn’t support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists. Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen (“freedom fighters”). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing. In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission. By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a super power. Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against the Iranians. Reagan had no taste in friends. On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians. In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US military presence in the Muslim holy land. From 1994 Afghanistan was increasingly dominated by a faction of Mujahideen known as Taliban or seminary students (who were backed by Pakistani military intelligence, which learned the trick from Reagan and which were flush from all those billions the Reagan administration had funneled into the region). In 1996 Bin Laden came back and reestablished himself there, becoming the leader of 5,000 radical Arab volunteers that Reagan had urged Fahd to help come to Afghanistan back in the 1980s. http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisking-war-on-terror-once-upon- time.html The above information involved well documented truths very inconvenient to your point of view, Stone. You are a hypocrite to brand Obama as a Muslim and a anti-Christ in light of what Reagan and Bush one and two have done to support people in a way you would scream blody murder over had a Democratic president done.
Read the history of whom Reagan and the Bush family supported, and find any historic account refuting this piece I posted after this post of yours'. You can't as it talks about well documented and well known facts regarding policies and actions by these folks when they were in the White House.
Murron, why is Reagan's man Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with this man? You do know he was there as Reagan's representative do you not?
I'm tired of doing research for lazy leftists like you, Godwinson and Lucy. I will give you my PayPal account. From now on, you can deposit $100 for every research request you make.
Thank you so much for making my point to jwpegler.
I take that as a "I can't do it". BTW, see my post to Murron above. That's how the term "messiah" is used most.
I'm really sick and tired of the selective memories of many people on this story of U.S. support for the radical Muslim Mujahidin. I was in the U.S. Army in the late 1970s and again in the 1980s when I was in a Special Forces unit. I had Jordanian, Egyptian and other Muslim officers in my phase one course when I was at the SFQC and talk about our support of the Mujahidin, and other things in the piece I printed in a post in this thread we all talked about all the time. Which is a huge reason I roll my eyes at this Obama as Muslim talk. I also know how deeply we as a nation was involved in creating the Iran we see today after the revolutionary backlash to the Shah which we propped up as is being done with the current Egyptian dictator to make Israel happy at the expense of democracy and the aspirations of freedom the people in the UAR (Egypt) have. These folks want their cake and to eat it too. If you want to take Obama on as a supporter and enabler of Islamic terrorist, you are quickly in hot water as to who else you are calling to task on if you look at the history of past presidential administrations concerning this topic.
Who wants to be a christian? How will you live down fascism? Genocide?
Saddam was an asset to be used against the Iranians. Did you support the war Mike or oppose it? You can't have it both ways.
Jesus said if you deny him you are going to hell. He was either the son of God or a lunatic. I believe Jesus is who he said he was.
He is a liar Mike. Gods word makes it very clear that you can't serve two masters. He made it very clear that he is the only way to Heaven. Obama doesn't believe that. Will Obama believe that someday? I don't know, maybe maybe not. A christian CANNOT believe that Muslims have a path to heaven and be accurate.
Why should anybody pay any attention to you? You've shown time and time again you don't even understand the most basic concepts of your religion. Jesus said he was the only path to God. He is either lying or telling the truth. So if you are a christian (follower of christ) then you should know that he is the only path. Skip it is what the Bible clearly teaches. If you disagree that is your business. But you can't say that my position isn't in accordance with what the Bible teaches.
Do you support the radical Muslim Mujahidin and how Reagan and the Bushies groomed, supported and enabled them? Do you support Iraqi use of chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iranians as is well documented? I opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq, the foolish propping up of the Shah by many administrations, and the support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin which has come back to haunt us. I was in the Army during the invasion of Kuwait and was aware as everyone else was that Saddam did this thinking America had signaled him they would let him get away with this. What he found out was that the American administrations that had groomed and supported him also would throw him under the bus at a moment's notice.
This is your biased opinion, Stone. He has been a Christian a long time, and the evidence stacks against your contention.
It was support them or let the commies take over Afghanistan in their quest for a warm water port. It was in our interest to support the mujaheddin. The Shah was better then Khomeni. Did you really prefer the murderer Khomeni? That is sick Mike.
This is your biased opinion Mike be honest. Obama said he didn't raise taxes on anyone making over 250,000. He has Mike. I will name just one of them. Cigarettes. There are I think 7 or 8 other times. Mike he is a liar. Are you in denial? Are you going to try and twist and spin an obvious fact? Do so at the peril of your own reputation.
Mike your president called the Koran Holy. The Koran denies that Christ was the son of God. Mike that is antichrist. You can't be antichrist and a christian at the same time. Mike Obama even said in an interview "his muslim faith".
A president cannot favor one religion -- even his own -- and not violate his oath of office to defend uphold and protect the U.S. Constitution, part of which is the First Amendment guaranteeing religious freedom. It is the President's job to work against people scapegoating and attacking people because the religion they believe is is different than that of the attackers. The Constitution is there to protect smaller groups from the whims and caprice of larger or majority groups. You yourself defend Judaism, does that mean you are anti-Christian and an anti- Christ? Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have much of the same stores as part of their scripture and are all patriarchal. They have their graces and faults as faiths and have followers and supporters in these United States. President Obama's job is to defend ecumenism. HE is just doing his job when he encourages religious tolerance.
Mike that is crazy. The first amendment clearly recognizes a right to have your own religious beliefs. The President or any person can (under our constitution) favor any religion that they want to. That is called free exercise. What you said was utter nonsense.
That is not the Presidents job. However if he wants to speak out and say that people should get along with each other. There is nothing to prohibit him from doing that. It isn't even a bad idea. But it certainly is not his job.
It is there to protect everyone. In theory.
The Jews have not learned about Jesus yet. At least some of them haven't. They just need to add the new testament and practice the whole Bible not just part of it. (short version explanation)
The Koran respects Jesus as a prophet, and has a special relationship with his mother Mary. And it is religious text held by it's believers to be as holy as you and Judaism holds the Bible to be. As far as that hatchet job of selecting and editing President Obama's past speeches go, the claim Obama said he was Muslim falls apart when you look at the speech they did selective and creative editing goes. We also did this to Hitler in WW II when people were enraged seeing Hitler dance in celebration at death and conquest. it wasn't until the late 50s or early 60s it was revealed how this was a looped segment of film made to look like he was dancing but actually wasn't. There are lots of inaccurate You Tube fims out there, including many that inaccurately criminalize Reagan and Bush; so what?
Christianity and Islam are wholly incompatible and at odds. They are enemies. As in Good and evil being enemies. Christianity being good of course. There are no faults in the Bible, just in many of its followers. On the other hand Islam is nothing but faults and their followers become more evil by acting out on what that satanic book teaches.
In other words, you contend they are deluded and dupes, and sooner or later people like you will save them from themselves. Sorry Stone, they have a religion that deserves respect as it is, just as is the case with Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other faith in the world.
More utter nonsense. If Obama was trying to be the religious police by defending ecumenism that would put him at odds with the free exercise clause. It is peoples right to worship as they please. If they believe correctly that there is only one God and one way. Who is the president to try and trample on that?
The Koran is of satan. Of course it is camouflaged and cloaked in half truths. It is what gave it a little credibility to the more foolish inhabitants of the planet.
These two faiths are in deep competition for converts by fanatical branches of both faiths, but they are very compatible. I have studied the Bible and Koran and there is beauty and truth in both. I dare you to do the same and refute this.
That is why I said they are antichrist. They deny that Christ is the Messiah. Mike this is simple stuff. It is Bible 101. You don't have to believe it if you want but don't try and twist stuff.
The Koran makes much mention of Satan and blasts him. I only see your opinion here with no citation or documentation backing up this opinion of yours'. I have many Muslim friends and they are like anyone else; they love their children and work for their future. They care about good and knock things evil. mankind has many religions, Stone, and they have all as a common theme to look for truth and beauty in things and work to the detriment of wrong and evil. I only see your bias and unreasonable hatred of over a billion people based on their faith. Your hatred of Islam is your cross to bear Stone, not theirs'.
Your slander of Islam is your twisted hatred and bigotry at play. Physician, heal thyself.
You in a word say people have freedom of religion ONLY if they accept Christianity as you see this. Would you like some of the various Supreme Court decisions to the contrary? The First Amendment is there to defend smaller faiths from oppression from larger ones. It also defends the right not to have a religion or to believe in God or other higher powers. You have no ground to stand on when you try to twist the words of th First Amendment to best benefit your faith.
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I never said that. No one should or can really be forced to be a christian.
It does no such thing. If it does give me the words in the constitution that make that point.
Here is a page of links to precedents and decisions by the SCOTUS regarding religious freedom. There is an overwhelming amount of Stare decisis that forge what I say into principles for religious freedom in these United States. Peruse them, they contend exactly what I say, as they are the decisions that mold and shape the principle of religious respect and tolerance in this country.
I care not what the black robed fools say. The constitution means what it says it means not what these usurpers make up and "shape".
It does, which is why the school prayer decision in the early 1960s brought to the high court by atheists won and school prayer was ended in public schools. Principles ensconced in the First Amendment upheld by the Supreme Court says otherwise.
Principles ensconced in the First Amendment upheld by the Supreme Court says otherwise. Mike words have meanings. Don't give me usurptions. Give me honest words FROM THE CONSTITUTION that make your point. You can't because it doesn't.
Mike I think people have a right not to believe. That is their choice. It just isn't addressed in the constitution.
The principle law in these United States operates under the auspices of is Stare decisis. They are the branch of government the Constitution gives the task to to determine what the Constitution means, not you.
They are the branch of government the Constitution gives the task to to determine what the Constitution means, not you. What words in the constitution lead you to believe that the Supreme Court can change the meaning of words and what the constitution says.
Wrong, the First Amendment does, and the SCOTUS has on numerous occasions upholds the right to believe or not believe religiously as one wishes and has acted to protect smaller faiths against the wrath and intolerence of larger faiths with more resources to bring to bear against them. Go hire then fire someone because of their religion or lack of one and see what happens to if they have the necessary evidence to prove this in civil court. They would sue your ass into the poor house and win.
Stare decisis (Anglo-Latin pronunciation: /Èst[Yri dhÈsajshs]) is a legal principle by which judges are obliged to respect the precedents established by prior decisions. The words originate from the phrasing of the principle in the Latin maxim Stare decisis et non quieta movere: "to stand by decisions and not disturb the undisturbed."[1] In a legal context, this is understood to mean that courts should generally abide by precedents and not disturb settled matters.[1] This doctrine requires a Court to follow rules established by a superior court. The doctrine that holdings have binding precedence value is not valid within most civil law jurisdictions as it is generally understood that this principle interferes with the right of judges to interpret law and the right of the legislature to make law.[citation needed] Most such systems, however, recognize the concept of jurisprudence constante, which argues that even though judges are independent, they should judge in a predictable and non-chaotic manner. Therefore, judges' right to interpret law does not preclude the adoption of a small number of selected binding case laws. Read, learn, enlighten yourself.
Mike I have asked for 3 quotes from the constitution to back up your claim. You can't address those questions. If you can't address them I am not going to waste any more time trying to educate you.
Mike that wasn't the constitution.
A unifying theme of Graham's new thinking is humility. He is sure and certain of his faith in Jesus as the way to salvation. When asked whether he believes heaven will be closed to good Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or secular people, though, Graham says: "Those are decisions only the Lord will make. It would be foolish for me to speculate on who will be there and who won't ... I don't want to speculate about all that. I believe the love of God is absolute. He said he gave his son for the whole world, and I think he loves everybody regardless of what label they have." Such an ecumenical spirit may upset some Christian hard-liners, but in Graham's view, only God knows who is going to be saved: "As an evangelist for more than six decades, Mr. Graham has faithfully proclaimed the Bible's Gospel message that Jesus is the only way to Heaven," says Graham spokesman A. Larry Ross. "However, salvation is the work of Almighty God, and only he knows what is in each human heart. http://www.newsweek.com/2006/08/13/pilgrim-s-progress.html#
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
That is true. Obama could change. But as it stands now we have a man calling the Koran "holy". That isn't biblical or accurate. I suppose he could be just a really stupid christian. But I seriously doubt it.
I showed you the principle that guides the hight court and empowers them to be the final say of what the U.S. Constitution is there for and interpret what it says. If you can't understand what you learn in an American Government 101 level course, I can't help you. It is what the SCOTUS says in various decisions regarding the First Amendment that defines what it says. You are essentially asking me to pull up case law from that page I supplied and to write a paper complete with citation from these decisions. What governs what the First Amendment means is in that case law. Not in other unrelated parts of the U.S. Constitution. Do your own work here. I am right regarding the interpretation of the First Amendment by the SCOTUS because I studied this at the University of Oregon, and have kept up with this topic of legal decision regarding this part of the U.S. Constitution over the years. If you can't understand where the interpretation of the First Amendment was formed and don't access them to verify or rebut what I say, I am not going to waste any more time trying to educate you.
Mike your position is that the supreme court can say whatever they want and that is what the constitution means. No No No Mike. The dictionary is what tells you what the constitution means. Mike the constitution isn't long. Give me the words from the constitution that make your case. If you can't do that then that is tantamount to an admission that the Supreme Court in many cases acts as usurpers.
I am not Christian, or Islamic, but even I use the adjective 'Holy' as those believers of these two works of scripture use them out of respect. So what?
You're wrong. Holy has a meaning. The Bible is Holy. Something evil like the Koran cannot be holy. Come on Mike you are cracking me up.
Raising taxes on, cigarettes is not the same as raising taxes on a person no matter what their income.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Obama said that NO ONE would receive a tax increase unless they made over 250k. That is not accurate. The cigarette taxes was raised. Also Obama is defending his nazi health care bill before courts now as a tax. The question was originally if Obama was a liar. He is. Do you deny that? Here is another reason he is a liar. Like I just said he is saying his health care law is a tax. That would be a tax increase too. Another lie. Then there is this angle. During debate Obama said the health care penalty was not a tax. Now he defends it in court as being a tax. That makes him a liar too. He lies constantly, don't deny it or you will damage your reputation.
The words that make my case is in the legal decisions on that page I linked earlier regarding case law defining what the First Amendment means and why. You can't see that what I said involves legal decisions by the SCOTUS. That is your problem, not mine. All I see here is cognitive dissonance and a refusal to see the obvious. To write up a post citing sections of these decisions involved an awful lot of work. There is nothing simple about it. We are talking about the principle of religious freedom and what the Supreme Court has ruled to give guidance to other branches of government and lower courts by hearing cases pertaining to religious freedom and voting for ruling regarding this topic. If you can't see the ridiculousness and ignorance in your request, I can't help you.
Mike that isn't from the constitution either. I want the words from the constitution that the judges used to make their decision. Mike the decisions I mentioned are based on lies. Truth is that I am right and you are wrong. You can't site the constitution to make your case, because it doesn't. Quit dancing around the issue and answer the simple question. You are starting to waste my precious time.
Holy is an adjective. It is used on editions of both the Koran and Bible. Au contraire, you crack me up. You are making Forrest Gump look like a genius here.
THe Koran is from satan. He is a liar. He can call it holy all he wants to but that doesn't make it so. Tom Hanks is an asshole by the way. Fuck him.
Then read the First Amendment if you want to know what they use to write rulings about it. It is short, sweet, and easy to access.
Tom Hanks? What the fuck you smoking?
The Muslims I met in Egypt had respect for the Bible, Koran, and the Torah as well as reverence for Jesus. Certainly they were not the enemy of Christianity. I suppose if you want to make yourself the enemy of Islam, that's your business.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Oh, the movie, hey Stone; I read the book before seeing the movie. Hanks is an actor, not the author of the novel.
And I have a Muslim friend who's wife is Jewish up there on Portland, OR. Both love and respect one another and run a major food both at Portland Saturday market. I too went to Egypt and what you say is true. On the whole, the Egyptians I met are very very well educated on the writings of the Bible, Koran and Torah and have respect for religions not their own. And I never heard anyone there say anything but reverent things regarding Christ. If Stone ever bothers to get out and see the world he's in for a shock. People who believe exactly as he believes complete with intolerance, hatred and xenophobia are a small minority in the world. Something of which I am profoundly grateful.
The tax on cigarettes is an excise tax. Here is the definition: A Federal or state tax imposed on the manufacture and distribution of certain non-essential consumer goods. No one has received a tax increase, no matter what their income, because the tax on cigarettes has gone up.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Lucy the tax on cigarettes went up. Obama said no taxes on anyone making over 250k. That was a blatant lie. He said not any kind of tax increase. You lose.
Also noted you didn't address my other points and questions.
Way to go.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
I want to steal that line sometime in the future, okay?
No kidding!
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Be my guest.
An excise tax is not an income tax, nor a tax on a person (head tax). In this case it is a tax on cigarettes. I am praying that God reveals to you the difference between a person and a cigarette.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
The question was originally if Obama was a liar. He is. Do you deny that? Here is another reason he is a liar. Like I just said he is saying his health care law is a tax. That would be a tax increase too. Another lie. Then there is this angle. During debate Obama said the health care penalty was not a tax. Now he defends it in court as being a tax. That makes him a liar too. He lies constantly, don't deny it or you will damage your reputation. Obama has a Nazi health care bill? I do believe that is a lie, Stone. A law may be passed that creates a tax, but a law is not a tax. Another lie? I'll address the other issue after you've dealt with the above.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits.
So a person doesn't pay the tax. That is stupid. Who pays the tax A lizard? You are tempting to make me start calling you lucymoron or something. Quit being dumb on purpose.
I say nazi because it was state sponsored mass murder. In Obamas nazi health care bill he funds mass murder of defenseless babies. You democrats sure are screwed up.
Look at how the US government has consistently propped up one regime after another. Look at the scope of US meddling. The fruits are rotten after trillions of dollars spent. Now, America is ravaged with debt while the rest of the world is picking up and don't want much from the US anymore.
Buckeroo I support the Monroe Doctrine.
Galatians 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Romans 2:14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” If love fulfills the whole of the law, then how can there be any other requirement for salvation? Seems to me there are at least two ways to salvation in the Bible, acceptance of Jesus as Savior, and loving our fellow man, because as the above story illustrates, when we are loving to others we are loving Jesus.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
A human pays the tax if he chooses to purchase the product that is taxed. The tax is attached to the product and can easily be avoided. You are tempting to make me start calling you lucymoron or something. Quit being dumb on purpose. I'm not being dumb, I'm being accurate; and feel free to call me anything you wish. I'm confident that what ever that turns out to be you will do it to the glory of God as the Bible teaches.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
A thoughtful post you have. What version of the Bible is that you are using. I noticed it had some stuff added as compared to King James version. As to love fulfilling the whole of the law. Has any of us never said a hateful word? I doubt it. We are saved by grace not by things we do that are "good". I do think that people who haven't heard the Bible can get salvation as verse 14 from Chapter 2 of Romans suggests. But once you have been exposed I think things like accepting Christ are required. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Ok. I shouldn't have said that. You're usually wrong but you're also usually polite.
Obama said no form of tax increase
New International Version, 2010 I'm with Billy Graham on the who does or does not get in issue.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
I'm with the Jesus on that one.
I don't use the NIV. It is not accurate and calls Jesus a sinner.
So are Billy and I.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Billy Graham is a false teacher. He teaches that Jesus isn't the only way.
False teacher Billy Graham also teaches there is no hell if I remember correctly.
How many verses in the Bible mention hell?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Number of times "Hell" appears in the text in English Bible Translations "Authorized" King James Version, old testiment- 31, new testiment- 23 (total 54 times) New King James Version, old testiment-19, new testiment- 13 (total 32 times)
Thank you.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
Lucysmom is right Stone, and excise tax is different than a tax levied on someone based on their income and other personal factors. An excise tax is one levied on specific goods or commodities produced or sold within a country, or on licenses granted for specific activities. It is no more a tax specifically levied against particular individuals than an import duty is.
He's not. My religion believes anyone can advance and attain higher levels of spiritual existance through any of man's faiths, Christianity included. There were no Christians before Christ's alleged birth, and there has always been a larger number of people who are not Christian in the world and this will always be so. So you should calm down.
The problem with Christians is that they worship a religion about Jesus instead of the religion of Jesus. Big mistake there.
Yeah, that creeps me out. We had a huge problem in Portland with thumpers of the Bible screaming at us folk sitting at the benches at Pioneer Plaza watching the pretty ladies saunter by - or whomever anyone was people watching for - and really ruining nice summer days in a public space made for folk to enjoy life. Several of us foghorn grade voice types took them on. I had one new screecher so rattled once he fled with tears streaming down his face after only ten minutes. No boast, mind you; I just have the knack and am completely fearless. They started having guys try to get close and pushy physically to try and shut up our anti screecher protocols. They chose big guys and this worked to a small extent until one of us reacted to a punch by jumping up and scrapping with a bully rolling down the brick steps injuring both parties. The security forced the Screechers to move the act away from the benches and steps as they couldn't stop them completely because of free speech rights. So as I see it, we won.
We were arming the muhajeen - taliban when they were fighting the soviet union ! we were also arming saddam hussien when he was fighting iran ! you're a hopeless burn out - idiot !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Gee Boris, coming from one of the Internets super retards, that means a lot.
Obama said no one under 250k would have "any tax raised". When he raised that tax he knew people making less would have a tax increase. He is a liar. He is also a liar because to get health care passed he said it wasn't t tax. In court he is saying it is a tax. Another lie. Then the healtcare tax is a tax on people making less then 250k. There are other tax increases also. You support a proven liar.
He's not. My religion believes anyone can advance and attain higher levels of spiritual existance through any of man's faiths, YES HE IS MIKE. Let me say something else Mike and don't get your feelings hurt. I am saying this because I believe I owe it to people to be honest with them. Mike your religion is a witch. Mike witches are not in the book. I sincerely hope you learn this someday.
Hurt feelings? Yeah, right, Self righteous twits don't hurt my feelings, Stone. They are merely entertaining to watch. I'm the one who has to be satisfied with my religion, not you.
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Congratulations on making the stupidest post of the day.
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Congratulations on making the stupidest post of the day.
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
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If the author were a true Christian, he would know that only god knows what is in a person's heart. Any discussion like this is just utter nonsense.
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If you're so smart, refute all, or any part of it....
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wn nafaric reasons
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I would nominate any post of yours. It's hard to know which one since you don't seem capable of composing any thought of more than 10 words.
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I am amused too, as many right wing people run from Gary Cass and the cover group putting out that piece.
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"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
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wn nafaric reasons nafaric, Mammy?
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I believe Obama is in a possition to deceive many
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
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I know that early in his presidency there were some loons (mostly in Europe) who declared him to be some kind of "savior".
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President Barack Obama speaking at the 2011 National Prayer Breakfast, sharing about how he came to embrace Jesus Christ ‘as my Lord and Saviour’.
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Reagan/Bush Used NASA for Muslim Outreach Before Obama
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The only people I've ever seen call him "Messiah" are people on the far right.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
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Reagan/Bush Used NASA for Muslim Outreach Before Obama
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Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year.
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Show me...
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
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it's about your messiah, Obama ...
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I'm tired of doing research for lazy leftists like you, Godwinson and Lucy.
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Murron, why is Reagan's man Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with this man? You do know he was there as Reagan's representative do you not?
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President Barack Obama speaking at the 2011 National Prayer Breakfast, sharing about how he came to embrace Jesus Christ ‘as my Lord and Saviour’.
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According to people like you, everybody but you is going to hell.
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"He is a liar Mike."
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Do you support the radical Muslim Mujahidin
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"He is a liar Mike."
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"A Christian CANNOT believe that Muslims have a path to heaven and be accurate."
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
A president cannot favor one religion -- even his own -- and not violate his oath of office to defend uphold and protect the U.S. Constitution, part of which is the First Amendment guaranteeing religious freedom.
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
It is the President's job to work against people scapegoating and attacking people because the religion they believe is is different than that of the attackers.
#44. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
The Constitution is there to protect smaller groups from the whims and caprice of larger or majority groups.
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
You yourself defend Judaism, does that mean you are anti-Christian and an anti- Christ?
#46. To: A K A Stone (#40)
#47. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have much of the same stores as part of their scripture and are all patriarchal. They have their graces and faults as faiths and have followers and supporters in these United States.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#45)
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
President Obama's job is to defend ecumenism. HE is just doing his job when he encourages religious tolerance.
#50. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
The Koran respects Jesus as a prophet, and has a special relationship with his mother Mary
#51. To: A K A Stone (#47)
#52. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
And it is religious text held by it's believers to be as holy as you and Judaism holds the Bible to be.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#50)
"The Koran is of satan."
#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
"You don't have to believe it if you want but don't try and twist stuff."
#55. To: A K A Stone (#49)
"More utter nonsense. If Obama was trying to be the religious police by defending ecumenism that would put him at odds with the free exercise clause. It is peoples right to worship as they please. If they believe correctly that there is only one God and one way. Who is the president to try and trample on that?"
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
You in a word say people have freedom of religion ONLY if they accept Christianity as you see this.
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#55)
It also defends the right not to have a religion or to believe in God or other higher powers.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#50)
The following are Profiles of major Supreme Court decisions that have shaped the definition of religious liberty in America. They have been organized into the categories of Government Intervention, Free Exercise of Religion, and Establishment of Religion. They contain a brief summary of the cases and the significance of the decisions. Some newer cases also have links to RealAudio of the oral arguments (from oyez.nwu.edu). To read to actual decision from FindLaw, click on the citation number provided in each page. For direct access to the decisions go to the Links to the Decisions.
#60. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
#61. To: A K A Stone (#58)
"It does no such thing. If it does give me the words in the constitution that make that point."
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#61)
It does, which is why the school prayer decision in the early 1960s brought to the high court by atheists won and school prayer was ended in public schools.
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#61)
#64. To: A K A Stone (#60)
"I care not what the black robed fools say. The constitution means what it says it means not what these usurpers make up and "shape"."
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
The principle law in these United States operates under the auspices of is Stare decisis.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#63)
"I think people have a right not to believe. That is their choice. It just isn't addressed in the constitution."
#67. To: A K A Stone (#65)
"What words in the constitution lead you to believe that the Supreme Court can change the meaning of words and what the constitution says."
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#66)
#69. To: Ferret Mike (#67)
#70. To: A K A Stone (#15)
Obama does say there are many paths. That makes him an antichrist. For he denies what christ clearly taught. That means Obama is going to hell. Why would anyone want a leader of their country who is going to hell?
#71. To: lucysmom (#70)
only God knows who is going to be saved:
#72. To: A K A Stone (#68)
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#72)
#74. To: A K A Stone (#71)
"But as it stands now we have a man calling the Koran "holy". That isn't biblical or accurate."
#75. To: Ferret Mike (#74)
So what?
#76. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Mike be honest. Obama said he didn't raise taxes on anyone making over 250,000. He has Mike. I will name just one of them. Cigarettes. There are I think 7 or 8 other times.
#77. To: lucysmom (#76)
Raising taxes on, cigarettes is not the same as raising taxes on a person no matter what their income.
#78. To: A K A Stone (#73)
#79. To: Ferret Mike (#78)
#80. To: A K A Stone (#75)
#81. To: Ferret Mike (#80)
It is used on editions of both the Koran and Bible.
#82. To: A K A Stone (#79)
"I want the words from the constitution that the judges used to make their decision."
#83. To: A K A Stone (#81)
#84. To: A K A Stone (#47)
Christianity and Islam are wholly incompatible and at odds. They are enemies. As in Good and evil being enemies. Christianity being good of course.
#85. To: A K A Stone (#81)
#86. To: lucysmom (#84)
(Edited)
#87. To: A K A Stone (#77)
Obama said that NO ONE would receive a tax increase unless they made over 250k. That is not accurate. The cigarette taxes was raised.
#88. To: lucysmom (#87)
#89. To: lucysmom (#87)
#90. To: A K A Stone (#81)
Tom Hanks is an asshole by the way. Fuck him.
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#80)
You are making Forrest Gump look like a genius here.
#92. To: Ferret Mike (#86)
People who believe exactly as he believes complete with intolerance, hatred and xenophobia are a small minority in the world. Something of which I am profoundly grateful.
#93. To: Fred Mertz (#91)
#94. To: A K A Stone (#88)
Obama said no taxes on anyone making over 250k. That was a blatant lie. He said not any kind of tax increase.
#95. To: A K A Stone (#89)
Also Obama is defending his nazi health care bill before courts now as a tax.
#96. To: lucysmom (#92)
#97. To: lucysmom (#94)
An excise tax is not an income tax, nor a tax on a person
#98. To: lucysmom (#95)
Obama has a Nazi health care bill? I do believe that is a lie, Stone.
#99. To: A K A Stone (#96)
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
#100. To: Kafir (#99)
Look at how the US government has consistently propped up one regime after another. Look at the scope of US meddling. The fruits are rotten after trillions of dollars spent.
#101. To: A K A Stone (#96)
#102. To: A K A Stone (#97)
So a person doesn't pay the tax. That is stupid. Who pays the tax A lizard?
#103. To: lucysmom (#101)
If love fulfills the whole of the law, then how can there be any other requirement for salvation? Seems to me there are at least two ways to salvation in the Bible, acceptance of Jesus as Savior, and loving our fellow man, because as the above story illustrates, when we are loving to others we are loving Jesus.
#104. To: lucysmom (#102)
You are tempting to make me start calling you lucymoron or something. Quit being dumb on purpose.
#105. To: lucysmom (#102)
#106. To: A K A Stone (#103)
#107. To: lucysmom (#106)
I'm with Billy Graham on the who does or does not get in issue.
#108. To: lucysmom (#106)
#109. To: A K A Stone (#107)
I'm with the Jesus on that one.
#110. To: lucysmom (#109)
#111. To: lucysmom (#109)
#112. To: A K A Stone (#111)
False teacher Billy Graham also teaches there is no hell if I remember correctly.
#113. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#112)
How many verses in the Bible mention hell?
#114. To: Murron (#113)
#115. To: A K A Stone (#97)
#116. To: A K A Stone (#110)
"He teaches that Jesus isn't the only way."
#117. To: Ferret Mike (#116)
#118. To: Skip Intro (#117)
#119. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
why is Reagan's man Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with this man?
#120. To: BorisY (#119)
"you're a hopeless burn out - idiot !"
Boris psyching up to make a post
#121. To: Ferret Mike (#115)
#122. To: Ferret Mike (#116)
"He teaches that Jesus isn't the only way."
#123. To: A K A Stone (#122)
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