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Title: Healthcare Reality Check
Source: Dissenting Opinions
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/01/healthcare-reality-check.html
Published: Jan 23, 2011
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2011-01-23 14:48:24 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 40881
Comments: 52

The GOP House has voted to overturn the huge mess known as Obamacare. We'll see if it passes the Senate. Regardless, President Obama is not going to sign. So, the GOP is already starting work on replacing Obamacare with their own ideas.

What should the GOP propose? There are two countries that can guide us.

Switzerland undoubtedly has the best healthcare system in Europe. Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world. Switzerland spends about 10.8% of GDP on healthcare. Singapore spends less than 4%. Healthcare expenditures in the U.S. have ballooned to a whopping 16.5% of GDP.

Neither Switzerland or Singapore have "socialist" or "single payer" systems that enchant the know-nothings on the American left. In fact, public expenditures on healthcare as a percentage of the total is about the same in Switzerland and the U.S. The government spends a much lower percentage of the total in Singapore:

Switzerland -- 55% United States -- 50% average, depending on the state Singapore -- 34%

Why do their systems work to control and costs and ours doesn't? Singapore and Switzerland have similar philosophies -- they put people in charge of their own care, but they also require them to take responsibility.

In Singapore you are required to save 8% of you income for healthcare. You can use your health savings to buy insurance and pay for out-of-pocket expenses. The government subsidizes health savings for very low income people.

In Switzerland you are required to spend 8% of your own money on health insurance. The government subsidizes insurance payments for very low income people. Out of pocket expenses are additional.

Switzerland and Singapore have created nation's of healthcare shoppers, who use their own healthcare dollars wisely.

The problem in the U.S. is that Medicare, Medicaid, and employer paid insurance take financial responsibility away from individuals so people don't have any incentive to use medical services in a cost effective way.

I've been to Singapore. They have a great and very cost effective healthcare system. It cheaper than ours. They also have better outcomes than we do. ditto for Switzerland.

The answer to escalating healthcare costs in the U.S. is not to give more control to power hungry politicians and greedy bureaucrats. The answer is personal responsibility and personal control. Singapore and Switzerland have shown us the way. Are American politicians smart enough to follow? We'll see.

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#1. To: Capitalist Eric, go65, Happy Quanzaa, Godwinson, no gnu taxes, Rudgear (#0)

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#3. To: jwpegler, Capitalist Eric, go65, Happy Quanzaa, no gnu taxes, Rudgear (#1)

In Switzerland you are required to spend 8% of your own money on health insurance. The government subsidizes insurance payments for very low income people. Out of pocket expenses are additional.

That is pretty much the same system all of Europe uses - give or take. It is the American system that is now called Obamacare as well.

A mix of private and public. Which you GOP zombies call "socialist".

The British system is in fact more socialist than most of Europe's and they still get better results than the current American model.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-23   15:09:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Godwinson (#3) (Edited)

That is pretty much the same system all of Europe uses - give or take

Nope, Europe has several different systems. In addition to Switzerland:

France has occupation-based health pools that provide basic insurance funded though a 13% payroll tax. There is an additional 5.5% payroll tax to subsidize the poor. They keep costs down through high copays (10% to 40% of fees). 92% of the population also buy their own supplemental insurance. Almost all healthcare delivery is done through private hospitals and clinics.

The U.K. has a single payer health system, plus almost all doctors and nurses are government employees. There is very little physician choice. There are no deductibles and copays. Waiting lists are a huge problem. Only 10% of the population has private insurance.

Spain and Italy have similar systems to the U.K. Italy's is more decentralized and offers a little more patient choice. Spain's is more centralized and patients have no choice in selecting a physician -- the government assigns them a primary care physician and they cannot change doctors, unless they have private insurance (about 12% do) Waiting lists are a huge issue in Spain as well.

In Germany, low income residents are required to buy into government "sickness funds" (health pools). They are funded by a 15% payroll tax. Everyone else can choose between a government sickness fund or private insurance. There is a mix of private and public health delivery.

All of these systems are very different. The single-payer, public delivery systems perform the worst in terms of patient satisfaction.

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#8. To: jwpegler (#7) (Edited)

All of these systems are very different. The single-payer, public delivery systems perform the worst in terms of patient satisfaction.

And the single payer (socialist) system still outperforms the American system.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/42717.php

The British (using single payer socialist system) Are Much Healthier Than The Americans

A large study, which looked at the health of middle class, middle-aged, white residents in both the USA and Britain (so you can't claim blacks/immigrants lower the health results) found that the British enjoy much better health than their American counterparts. Even though the USA has a much higher income per capita than the UK, about 25% higher, the British are far ahead when it comes to the health of its residents.

Americans also spend a great deal more on health care than the British do. The average expenditure per head per year on health in the UK is $2,164, while in the USA it stands at $5,274.

You can read about this study in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), May 3 Issue.

Even when obesity, drinking, smoking and social levels are taken into account, the difference between the two nations is significant.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-01-23   16:29:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Godwinson (#8) (Edited)

And the single payer (socialist) system still outperforms the American system.

Utter nonsense.

Average life expectancy in the European Union is 77.3 years. It's 78.14 years in the U.S.

Singapore has the most free market healthcare system in the world and their life expectancy is 82.07 years.

Take black-on-black crime out of the statistics and life expectancy in the U.S. jumps to over 80 years old.

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Take black-on-black crime out of the statistics and life expectancy in the U.S. jumps to over 80 years old.

If true, that would change our rank from 36 to 15. Not so wonderful for the greatest country in the world.

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