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Title: Right Wing, Tea Party Trying To Mitigate Damage From AZ Shooting
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Lez Get Real
URL Source: http://lezgetreal.com/2011/01/right ... igate-damage-from-az-shooting/
Published: Jan 10, 2011
Author: Bridgette P. LaVictoire
Post Date: 2011-01-10 18:23:05 by Brian S
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When Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a group of Representative Gabrielle Giffords’ constituents, it was not on the orders of anyone specific, but it was after more than two years of demonization coming from within the Right that had been largely ignored and rarely denounced from within the Conservatives of the United States. Right now, there is a push to mitigate the damage done to the Conservatives by Loughner’s actions, but it is not likely to succeed. The extreme and violent rhetoric has been seen to have come from the Right, and the American public are not going to be dissuaded from saying that enough is enough.
That it took the deaths of six- including a nine year old girl- to bring this nation to this point is horrific. Now the question is, was this act by Loughner a Kent State or a Fort Sumpter?
There are those on the Right who are trying to push back. They are trying to link Jared Lee Loughner to the Left using often flimsy evidence and Glenn Beck talking points. Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center feels that it may be difficult to directly link Loughner to the Right, but his rhetoric is that of the Right.
Yesterday, LGR looked at how Loughner’s beliefs matched up with those of Ron Paul on the Gold Standard, and various people on the Right with regards to the PC Thought Police. I forgot one detail- the destruction of the Contitution.
For as much as the Tea Party and the Right wants to wrap themselves up in the Constitution, they do a good job of advocating the repeal of much of it. For instance, this from Talking Points Memo regarding the repeal of the 17th Amendment:
The “Repeal The 17th” movement is a vocal part of the overall tea party structure. Supporters of the plan say that ending the public vote for Senators would give the states more power to protect their own interests in Washington (and of course, give all of us “more liberty” in the process.) As their process of “vetting” candidates, some tea party groups have required candidates to weigh in on the idea of repeal in questionnaires. And that’s where the trouble starts.
How about the attempt to repeal all or part of the 14th Amendment? Here is an interview between TPM and John McCain:
TPMDC asked, “Do you support the Minority Leader’s push for hearings into the repeal of birthright citizenship?”
“Sure, why not?” McCain said briefly.
“Do you support the idea itself?”
“I support the idea of having hearings,” McCain said.
“Do you have a problem with the 14th amendment?” another reporter asked.
“You’re changing the constitution of the United States,” McCain said. “I support the concept of holding hearings.”
“I support the concept of holding hearings,” McCain repeated, turning to the rail car conductor.
“Let’s go!” he snapped.
“I don’t have anything to add to that.”
While many who advocate for these ideas know that it is impossible to really repeal those, and it would be a major mess to do so, there is always that one mind who thinks that if it does not happen, then they government is not listening, and violence is called for. Potok of the SPLC was quoted by TPM as having said:
“When you look at the Internet material he purportedly produced, the first impression you get is that the 22-year-old now in custody for the shooting of 19 people in Tucson was completely out of his mind, or at least mildly deranged. His writings will be virtually impossible for most people to understand, what with his references to unexplained numbers, his fondness for weird syllogisms, his unexplained references and his apparent semi-literacy.”
“At this early stage, I think Loughner is probably best described as a mentally ill or unstable person who was influenced by the rhetoric and demonizing propaganda around him. Ideology may not explain why he allegedly killed, but it could help explain how he selected his target.”
The rhetoric has been to the extreme, and it has caused so many problems. While there has been some of this on the Left, often that has been condemned and squashed within hours or a day of it having been said. LGR played its part in putting a lid on the extreme rhetoric and calls for violence within the LGBT Community.
Those on the Right did not give the order, but they played a part in creating a situation where this happened. The reason why it was hard- impossible in fact- for the Right to blame Al Gore for the shooting at the Discovery Channel’s headquarters is because he never used militaristic rhetoric to defend the need for global climate change legislation the way that the Right have used it to defend their beliefs in the destruction of the Constitution, the return of the gold standard, and the abolition of the ‘PC Thought Police’.
There is a perception now that those who are violent on the Right have the tacit blessing of their side while those who are violent on the Left do not.
If the Right wants to make amends now, the best thing is to change the rhetoric, tone it down, and discuss these issues like a rational person.Lez Get Real Subscribe to *Tea Party On Parade*
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Is this true when Dims do the same thing?
Of course it is.
How about when Acting President Soetoro,"The one you have been waiting for!" tells supporters to get out and get in the faces of political opponents,and "When they bring a knife to a fight,we bring a gun!"
Ping me when a president Soetoro is elected.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#77. To: lucysmom (#76)
Ping me when a president Soetoro is elected.
I would,but so far nobody by that name or any of his aliases has been legally elected.
That doesn't seem to bother you at all,though.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#78. To: lucysmom (#74)
When paired with an image of a gun sight
Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.
Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.
#79. To: no gnu taxes (#78)
Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.
He called her "Dead to me" and said he'd no longer support her. Not quite what you're implying there, Eric.
You are slightly better than your idiot cohort Rudgear, though, who keeps insisting that the shooter himself posted that.
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
#80. To: no gnu taxes (#78)
Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.
Funny. Palin herself called them bulls-eyes and targets.
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
#81. To: Skip Intro (#79)
"Dead to me"
That's pretty strong language. Can prove Loughner didn't see that and get the idea to try and kill her because of it?
#82. To: no gnu taxes (#81)
Can prove Loughner didn't see that and get the idea to try and kill her because of it?
I see were back to the old birther tactic of demanding proof of a negative. Just plain stupid.
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
#83. To: Skip Intro (#82)
And yet you moonbats are asking for proof that Palin's map markers are not the cause of the mass murder.
#84. To: Brian S (#0)
When Jared Lee Loughner opened fire on a group of Representative Gabrielle Giffords’ constituents, it was not on the orders of anyone specific, but it was after more than two years of demonization coming from within the Right that had been largely ignored and rarely denounced from within the Conservatives of the United States.
What bullshit.
Still trying your "newspeak" and "doublethink" methods, eh?
The only people of sufficiently low intelligence to fall for this crap, are SOCIALISTS (who are, by defintion, insane).
In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.
Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.
#85. To: no gnu taxes (#83)
And yet you moonbats are asking for proof that Palin's map markers are not the cause of the mass murder.
Where did I ask for proof about anything, padlock?
“Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.” - Sarah Palin
#86. To: Skip Intro (#85)
What's the point of continuously bringing it up if you are not demanding proof of a negative?
#87. To: Rudgear (#49)
I'm fed up with you liberals refusing to admit this creep was one of you.
See the quotes in my signature.
It explains the libs/socialists perfectly.
In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.
Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.
#88. To: go65 (#52)
your constant cries of "he's a left winger" are simply untrue.
Provide proof that he was NOT a left-winger, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.
Until then, your attempts to pin the actions of another left-wing loon on the Tea Party, the GOP or anyone else of a conservative bent, is an example of mental masturbation on your part.
In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. ... The heresy of heresies was common sense.
-- George Orwell, 1984 --
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=16281&Disp=9#C9
ME: THERE IS NO MORE MONEY.
GO65: There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more.
Inescapable conclusion? Socialists are unable to accept reality. I.e., they're INSANE.
#89. To: no gnu taxes, lucysmom, All idiot liberals (#78)
When paired with an image of a gun sightOh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.
Crosshairs in a firearm scope do NOT extend outside of the tube, you fookin idiot liberal pinheads!
#90. To: Ibluafartsky (#89)
Crosshairs in a firearm scope do NOT extend outside of the tube, you fookin idiot liberal pinheads!
Doesn't matter anymore.
The MSM mission was accomplished in linking Palin to this tradegy. Had she taken the advise given to her months ago to take down the graphic, she wouldn't be in this 'situation', now would she.
No, you can't spin this one. Cows have done left the barn but the roosters are coming home to roost on the Palin charade.
{{{chuckle}}}
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
#91. To: no gnu taxes (#78)
Oh, good grief. They are map markers that even Bob Beckel says he uses.
Is Bob Beckel a cartographer?
If the symbols are map markers you should be able to tell me exactly what they symbolize.
Yet you have no problem with a Daily Kos poster calling her "dead" 2 days before she is shot.
Do you mean the "dead to me" quote? We've been through that several times.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#92. To: Brian S (#90)
Doesn't matter anymore.
That you liberals are fookin idiots?
#93. To: Capitalist Eric (#88)
Until then, your attempts to pin the actions of another left-wing loon on the Tea Party, the GOP or anyone else of a conservative bent, is an example of mental masturbation on your part.
To continue to insist that violent imagery can be used against specific groups or persons without effect is stupid beyond belief.
Please tell me if violent language has no impact, why use it? What's the point?
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#94. To: Ibluafartsky, Brian S (#92)
Doesn't matter anymore.That you liberals are fookin idiots?
You're talking over his head again Brian, he doesn't get it.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#95. To: lucysmom, Brian S (#94)
You're talking over his head again Brian, he doesn't get it.
I get you fookin vile, insipid, hateful, obnoxious, lying assholes, lucy.
#96. To: Ibluafartsky (#95)
I get you fookin vile, insipid, hateful, obnoxious, lying assholes, lucy.
Am I supposed to be impressed with your intelligent use of the language?
Don't worry, no one's going to take away your right to wallow in filth.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#97. To: lucysmom (#96)
Am I supposed to be impressed with your intelligent use of the language?
Am I suppose to be impressed with your stupidity and hatred?
#98. To: lucysmom (#91)
If the symbols are map markers you should be able to tell me exactly what they symbolize.
How about locations of Congressional districts? Only the terminally stupid would think they were representing assasinations.
Do you mean the "dead to me" quote? We've been through that several times.
We? You got a rat in your pocket? That's pretty violent sounding language when there are so many nutjobs out there. Shouldn't you moonbats be toning down your rhetoric?
#99. To: Ibluafartsky (#97)
Am I suppose to be impressed with your stupidity and hatred?
It never occurred to me that I could impress you, oh great one.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#100. To: no gnu taxes (#98)
How about locations of Congressional districts? Only the terminally stupid would think they were representing assasinations.
So you're telling me that they are standard symbols for congressional districts?
That's pretty violent sounding language when there are so many nutjobs out there. Shouldn't you moonbats be toning down your rhetoric?
I have come around to believing you are right. Using the phrase "dead to me" assumes a certain level of cultural literacy. It is a mistake to overestimate the intelligence of one's audience.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#101. To: lucysmom (#99)
It never occurred to me that I could impress you,
Do you believe stupidity and hatred are impressive characteristics??
#102. To: Ibluafartsky (#101)
Do you believe stupidity and hatred are impressive characteristics??
Works for me! (grin)
I went to pilates and then gave myself a Hummer.
#103. To: lucysmom (#100)
So you're telling me that they are standard symbols for congressional districts?
Why Should they be?
Using the phrase "dead to me" assumes a certain level of cultural literacy.
Totally undermined by the same people who think that every single "crossmark" symbol is a call for assasination. If you think that there are people out there who think a crossmark symbol is a code for violence, surely you must think there are people out there who would think a phrase like dead to me is a call for violence.
But you libtards ARE NEVER honest.
#104. To: Ibluafartsky (#101)
Do you believe stupidity and hatred are impressive characteristics??
Well naturally I don't see myself the way you see me.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#105. To: lucysmom (#104)
Well naturally I don't see myself the way you see me
How am I to judge other than by what you post?
#106. To: Ibluafartsky (#105)
"How am I to judge other than by what you post?"
If you liked what she said, you would still bait her for her words. That is why you are here, to bait and try to abuse. There is only your mission to come here and try to trash people.
You don't believe in debate and discussion unless it's done in the choir where all participants are in political lock step with one another.
#107. To: Ferret Mike (#106)
you would still bait her You don't believe in debate and discussion
I don't allow others to do my thinking or speak for me, mustelid. Especially leftard socialist like you.
#108. To: Ibluafartsky (#107)
"I don't allow others to do my thinking or speak for me, mustelid."
Yeah, why, you even open yer own beers fer Petes' sake. ;-D
#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
You had longer hair in your prior photo. Nice informative tats, mustelid.
#110. To: Ibluafartsky (#109)
Though you really should let your girl open her own beers to help slow her intake a wee bit.
#111. To: Ferret Mike (#110)
I see you don't respect women either. You did say you weren't married to a woman, didn't you mustelid?
#112. To: Ibluafartsky (#111)
"I see you don't respect women either."
The day you take M. Doggie Dawg to task for his use of the 'C' word and other sexist talk is the day I will take that one seriously.
ROTFLMAOAY!
#113. To: Ferret Mike (#112)
The day you take M. Doggie Dawg to task
I don't listen to rappers.
#114. To: no gnu taxes (#103)
Totally undermined by the same people who think that every single "crossmark" symbol is a call for assasination. If you think that there are people out there who think a crossmark symbol is a code for violence, surely you must think there are people out there who would think a phrase like dead to me is a call for violence.
Context is everything otherwise you wouldn't persist in separating the words "dead to me" from their context in an attempt to impose a meaning different from what was intended.
I don't believe that Sarah is responsible for the shootings in Tucson, However, her violent imagery was intentional, designed to appeal to a segment of the population that love their guns, and hate their government. Despite immediate criticism Sarah was content to let the imagery stand, neither changing the symbols or words, nor explaining a more benign intention.
As it happened, the woman Sarah identified by name and located on a map with "crosshairs" was shot - the imagery isn't so clever anymore.
My question again is, now that we're confronted with the real life meaning of the words and symbols that have been popular in certain circles, do we want to keep using them?
I am free to do all things; but not all things are wise.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
#115. To: Ibluafartsky (#105)
How am I to judge other than by what you post?
You need to take responsibility for your own schema.
http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/schema.htm
For instance, I own up to the fact that I have trouble taking seriously anything someone calling himself "Ibluafartsky".
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson
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