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Title: Juan Williams Sees Rove-vs.-Palin ‘Civil War’ Inside GOP
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ ... sees-rove-palin-gop-civil-war/
Published: Nov 7, 2010
Author: David Edwards
Post Date: 2010-11-07 13:41:56 by Brian S
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The midterm elections brought big wins for the Republicans but they also exposed fractures within the party. Fox News' Juan Williams described Sunday what he called a "civil war" between the establishment Republicans and the tea party. "I think there is a civil war of sorts going on," Williams said. "We don't talk about it much -- between the Republican establishment and tea party people. It's Sarah Palin [vs.] Karl Rove if you want to personify it." In no place were the divisions as obvious during the mid-term elections as they were with opinions on Christine O'Donnell, the GOP's Senate candidate in Delaware. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin endorsed O'Donnell during the primaries, which may have put the candidate over the top in winning the Republican endorsement. On the night that she won her primary victory, Rove told Fox News' Sean Hannity that O'Donnell was known for saying "nutty things." "This is not a race we're going to be able to win," Rove added. Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Rove said, "Look, it gave me no pleasure to say she was unlikely to win." "This again proves a lesson. This is a candidate right on the issues, but had mishandled a series of questions raised by the press early on in the race about her background and previous statements." Palin called out Rove by name after O'Donnell's loss. "I look forward to Karl Rove and others looking at...reporting that exit polls are showing that Mike Castle would have even lost to Chris Coons," she said on Fox News. "There was never any guarantee that a hard-core conservative would win in a deep blue state like Delaware." But Rove's viewpoint may be representative of other establishment Republicans who weren't fond of O'Donnell. "I think Delaware was a missed opportunity to have a really good United States senator, Mike Castle, and that's why I endorsed him in the primary," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on NBC Sunday. Rove and Palin also clashed over the former governor's new reality show. Rove told the Telegraph that he failed to see how a reality show helped Palin make a serious run at the presidency in 2012. "There are high standards that the American people have for [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say 'that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world,'" he said. The next week, Palin compared herself to another entertainer, President Ronald Reagan, to defend her new show. "Those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president like, um, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, bozo or something? Ronald Reagan was an actor," she said. "Now look. I'm not in a reality show. I have eight episodes documenting Alaska's resources, what it is that we can contribute to the rest of US to economically and physically secure our union, and my family comes along for the ride because I am family, family is us, and my family comes along on the ride to document these eight episodes for The Learning Channel. ... So Karl is wrong right there in calling it a reality show," she said. This video is from Fox's Fox News Sunday, broadcast Nov. 7, 2010.
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#20. To: Badeye (#15)
Maybe we have different standards. If we want jobs back dump NAFTA GATT etc. Put tariffs on imports. Is Palin a free trader? I hope not but suspect she probably is. They also need to end these stupid wars that are helping to bankrupt us. Everything needs to be on the table as far as spending cuts go. Those are my main concerns that I think Palin will be on the opposite side of. Except maybe the spending cuts.
FYI: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/07/AR2010070704809.html ------- None of the above would help the US economy. In fact it would make it worse.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I like Rand Pauls idea better. Everything on the table.
We are already losing the trade war. They undercut our wages and our people are out of work. Time to end the global trade agreements and the world trade organization and start looking after our people. How can it be any worse? If we put tariffs on foreign goods and they retaliate so what. They are already beating us with their slave wages. We need things made in the USA if we are to remain prosperous. It gives companies to bring the jobs back here. Face it the economy started going bad after all these globalist ideas. That is the root problem.
You must have never been to tea party event. You're right. I haven't. They Love Palin. Some do and some don't,but she is NOT a Tea Party "leader" in any respect. She is a Republican and is more of a neo-con RINO than she is a conservative. Yeah,she has endorsed some good TP candidates,and a couple of loons like O'Donnell,but so what. That doesn't make her management. The only truly conservative positive political thing that can be said about her is that she is pro-2nd Amendment. She can't possibly have a pro-TP outlook when their main focus is on fiscal conservatism,and she wants amnesty (but not "total" amnesty) for illegal aliens.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
How is O'Donnell a loon?
Either way, they're not worth a damn. Because it needs to be said again. If Palin doesn't run in 2012,I have no doubt she will endorse The Huckster. After all,he was a fundie preacher.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
he'll change his tune the minute he gets to D.C., just as he already did on the civil rights act and medicare.
Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party? The ONLY way to "work within" the party is to be subservient to the RINO leadership,which she has really done a bang-up job of doing,but while that may benefit HER,all that gets us is more of the same.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You don't REALLY think that Palin has any interest in ending a Holy War,do you? Every word I have heard her say about the current disasters is pro-War/Onward Christian Soldiers.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And it should be. Very few people are more pro-military than me,but their budgeting now has more to do with buying votes for select politicians than it does defending the country. Hell,they get major items like aircraft they don't even want because they happen to be built in a state or city where a prominent politician calls home. Then they don't get the things they want and need because the money has already been spent buying votes.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Uhhh,scientists breeding animals with humans in labs? Not to mention the whole religious loon End Times BullBarack.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Time to end the global trade agreements and the world trade organization and start looking after our people. Ending NAFTA and GATT will only excerbate the situation. And we aren't in a 'trade war' thank God, cause we'd lose as things stand today. We have the second highest corporate tax rate on the planet. We have one of the highest paid workforces IN HISTORY. Those two are the two primary reasons manufacturing went kaput here in America. Toss in the insane demands of unions, and the end game was predictable as the sun rising in the east.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
That's like saying that Ike had to endorse Hitler in order to beat him. If she is truly NOT a RINO, she will go NOWHERE working WITHIN the GOP. Palin lost a HUGE amount of support by endorsing McCain. Refresh my memory. Did Rand Paul support McCain? Wasn't he just elected? How many of the recently elected tea party candidates endorsed McCain?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years. Think about what you just wrote,and the explain to me how we are supposed to change things and save the Republic by working within the RINO Party? Palin gets nowhere if she doesn't first support those few that gave her an opportunity to walk on to the national stage. McCain doesn't run the GOP, sneaky. He was going to beat JD Hayworth no matter who said what, primarily because JD was a hypocrite, but also seriously outgunned in that race against McCain. Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES. At least thats how its supposed to work. You have to gain control of the party before you can change its direction. Thats happening NOW, but there is another election cycle or two before it can be accomplished. The new GOP office holders coming into the House is an amazing start.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Spare me the drama queen 'hitler' analogies.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
So, you're saying she was lying when she said she supported McCain?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Palin lost a HUGE amount of support by endorsing McCain. Refresh my memory. Did Rand Paul support McCain? Wasn't he just elected? How many of the recently elected tea party candidates endorsed McCain?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
So, the RINO party will be the arbiter of when "her time has come?"
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care. Pete, MD doesn't know or care what Palin says or writes, he'll support her no matter what.
Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES. So, you're saying she was lying when she said she supported McCain? Did I say that? No.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Really? As measured...how, exactly? She drew huge crowds, raised tons of cash for the GOP AND those she endorsed, 71% of whom WON.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only. There are lots of different 'RINO's', some of us belong to the GOP because its the only viable options for Conservatives that want to actually affect things, rather than just beat our chests and claim 'purity' from the sidelines. I have a huge problem with so called 'moderates' and an even bigger issue with the old boy network types like Mitch McConnell in the GOP. But knowing 'how things work' I realize the McConnell's of the GOP are going to be replaced sooner rather than later, if for no other reason than age. The new batch resulting from the Tea Party influence has a great opportunity to remake the Republican Party, bring it back to its roots of smaller government, less interference in the daily lives of average Americans, less taxation and regulation. If all you want to do is throw rocks through the windows of the GOP...while I can understand the urge, I don't think its productive long term. Been there, done that. Look what we got from it. The only alternative is to change it from within. Maybe its a forelorn hope, but maybe not. I like what I'm seeing today as a result of this election cycle. To me, its encouraging.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
The new GOP office holders coming into the House is an amazing start. You're wasting keystrokes attempting to educate the lunatic fringe.
Palin endorsed Rand Paul.
You actually admit it anyway fishlips. Now admit that you're a neo-con.
You don't have to admit that you are a clueless faggot, freddie, we all know it.
Once you realize I post for my own benefit - something that idiot McIver could never fathom btw - you don't worry about educating anyone in these forums.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only. You actually admit it anyway fishlips. Now admit that you're a neo-con. Freddie, did the horse turn you down again, or is it you just blew through your government check at the track already this month?
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
How long have you been a registered Pubbie?
As I noted four years ago, since the 2006 Ohio primary season, when Jim Petro ran a racist campaign ad against Ken Blackwell in the primary. I couldn't just stand by and not vote against that bullshit, given I've known Blackwell since the 1970's. From 1976 til that moment I was a life long registered Independent.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show. He also slammed her several other times.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
He said no such thing.
You are such a stupid DELETED. And don't you forget it.
He said no such thing. Yes,he did. I saw it and heard it the night he was on.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
He said he wasn't supporting anyone at the moment. paraphrase
Quit clowning around with the DELETED.
Fuck you.
Got a hardon for Stoney, eh faggot freddie? Go for it, homo!
No,his answer to the direct question "Is Sarah Palin presidential material,and do you consider her to be a front runner in 2012?",McLunatic laughed and said "No". He then added something along the line of "She's just not ready."
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I think you are lying or have a bad memory. How about some proof. You made the claim so it is up to you to prove it.
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#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Those are my main concerns that I think Palin will be on the opposite side of. Except maybe the spending cuts.
Sarah Palin is waging a battle inside the "tea party" movement to exempt defense spending from the group's small-government, anti-deficit fervor.
"Secretary Gates recently spoke about the future of the U.S. Navy. He said we have to ask whether the nation can really afford a Navy that relies on $3 [billion] to $6 billion destroyers, $7 billion submarines and $11 billion carriers. He went on to ask, 'Do we really need . . . more strike groups for another 30 years when no other country has more than one?' " Palin said. "Well, my answer is pretty simple: Yes, we can and yes, we do, because we must."
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)
If we want jobs back dump NAFTA GATT etc. Put tariffs on imports.
#23. To: go65 (#21)
#24. To: Badeye (#22)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
Yeah,she has endorsed some good TP candidates,and a couple of loons like O'Donnell,
#27. To: hondo68 (#8)
Cristie is another one like Palin who talks tough, and then endorses liberal anti-American globalists like Castle and McCain. Party before principle, or are they just globalist traitors at heart?
#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)
I like Rand Pauls idea better. Everything on the table.
On January 3, 2011 the GOP assumes responsibility for deficit spending.
#29. To: Badeye (#10)
it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#20)
They also need to end these stupid wars that are helping to bankrupt us.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#23)
I like Rand Pauls idea better. Everything on the table.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#26)
How is O'Donnell a loon?
#33. To: A K A Stone (#24)
We are already losing the trade war. They undercut our wages and our people are out of work.
#34. To: Badeye (#10)
If she hadn't endorsed McCain ... it would have made it tougher for her to work within the GOP for the next few years.
#35. To: sneakypete (#29)
#36. To: Wood_Chopper (#34)
That's like saying that Ike had to endorse Hitler in order to beat him.
#37. To: Badeye (#35)
Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES.
#38. To: Badeye (#36)
#39. To: Badeye (#35)
But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES.
#40. To: Wood_Chopper (#37)
#41. To: Wood_Chopper (#38)
Palin lost a HUGE amount of support by endorsing McCain.
#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)
So, the RINO party will be the arbiter of when "her time has come?"
#43. To: Badeye, sneakypete (#35)
You have to gain control of the party before you can change its direction. Thats happening NOW, but there is another election cycle or two before it can be accomplished.
#44. To: Wood_Chopper, Badeye (#38)
Did Rand Paul support McCain? Wasn't he just elected?
#45. To: Badeye (#42)
I'm a Conservative by choice, a Republican in Name Only.
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
You actually admit it
#47. To: Ibluafartsky (#43)
#48. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
#49. To: Badeye (#48)
#50. To: Fred Mertz (#49)
How long have you been a registered Pubbie?
#51. To: Badeye (#35)
Palin's backing McCain didn't change a single vote in that race. But it did ensure McCain wouldn't back stab her when HER TIME COMES.
#52. To: sneakypete (#51)
He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#52)
#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)
He back stabbed her within days by saying she wasn't qualified to run for president on the Tonight Show.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
#56. To: Fred Mertz (#53)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)
#58. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#57)
Fuck you.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#55)
He said he wasn't supporting anyone at the moment. paraphrase
#60. To: sneakypete (#59)
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