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Title: The N.I.V. Bible and Jesuit Priest "The Catholic Connection" Did Jesuit priests help transliterate the N.I.V. Bible? Were they attempting to make a bible more relaxing toward Catholic beliefs?
Source: pawcreek.org
URL Source: http://www.pawcreek.org/articles/en ... es/NIVBibleAndJesuitPriest.htm
Published: Jul 3, 2006
Author: paw creek ministries
Post Date: 2006-07-03 21:40:36 by A K A Stone
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Comments: 52

The NIV Bible is clearly possessed by a Catholic spirit and is leading a multitude of churches back to the Mother Harlot. I awoke at approximately 4:00 AM a few days ago and was gripped to document this fact. The thought startled me, but I have found the facts to back it up. This paraphrased version (NIV) of the Holy Scripture is designed to deceive and apostasize the unsuspecting. The translators admit that it is not a word translation but a thought translation. They call it "dynamic equivalence" but God calls it "adding" and "taking away" from what the Holy Ghost has delivered to men guided by His Spirit. Somebody will pay dearly at judgment.

My former denomination of 41 years has only recently moved from complete devotion to the Authorized Version (KJV), to a partial acceptance of the NIV. Their transition to the NIV is only at the early stage but already they are beginning to play the game of the Roman Church. Here are a few quotes with a picture from the January 2001 edition of this official publication. "Just recently Bishop John H. Mambo, regional superintendent for the Church of God in Central Africa, was invited to attend the 22nd anniversary of Pope John Paul's election as the head of the Catholic Church. 'I count the invitation an honor not only for me but also for the Church of God,' Bishop Mambo says." How can a previously staunch Bible believing denomination find honor in the Roman Harlot? To seek her favor is to forsake the God of Holy Scripture.

I'm convinced that there is a spirit of deception that underpins this particular bible. If you follow the sign's evidence, it leads back to the influence of the people involved and forward to the conduct being manifested in the evangelical world. Something is wrong. No, everyone involved is not bad and deceiving. They are just as sincere as those of us who disagree with them but that does not eliminate the problem.

The Background of the NIV

No translation of the Bible can be better than the manuscript from which it is translated. Ninety-nine (99) % of all the known manuscripts and other documenting materials support and agree with the Textus Receptus stream. This stream of manuscript

is sometimes called "The Received Text" or the "Byzantine Text." These text types have been preserved through the centuries and accepted by the true believers all the way back as far as can be documented until the last 100 plus years. Dean Burgeon, an English scholar, documented thousands of quotes, statements, and sermons from the early church fathers that proves beyond question that the Textus Receptus is the pure stream of "Truth".

A modern scholar, Randall Price, has reviewed the Dead Sea Scrolls and written an excellent book on the text and facts of this marvelous discovery. While Randall is not a KJV enthusiast, he personally stated to me that these scrolls support the Old Testament Masoretic text as translated in the King James Version 80% of the time. When you study the nature of these Jewish descendants and their lifestyle an 80% agreement with the Masoretic text cannot be less than a miracle. No wonder there has been loud voices claiming that the Catholic church sit on this discovery for over forty (40) years.

What most students of Scripture do not know is that the Old Testament Masoretic Text in the new Bibles is not the Masoretic of the King James Version. Here is a clear quotation from an excellent book by Dr. D.A. Waite, graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. "Here's some background on it. The Daniel Bomberg edition, 1516-1517, was called the First Rabbinic Bible. Then in 1524-25, Bomberg published a second edition edited by Abraham Ben Chayyim (or Ben Hayyim) iben Adonijah. This is called the Ben Chayyim edition of the Hebrew text. Daniel Bomberg's edition, on which the KING JAMES BIBLE is based was the Ben Chayyim Masoretic Text. This was called the Second Great Rabbinic Bible. This became the standard Masoretic text for the next 400 years. This is the text that underlies the KING JAMES BIBLE. For four hundred years, that was the Old Testament Hebrew text. Nobody translated the Old Testament except by using this text. [This is from Biblical Criticism Historical, Literal, Textual by Harrison, Walkie and Guthrie, 1978, pages 47-82.] (Defending The King James Bible, Rev. D.A. Waite, page 27.)

The new Masoretic is then described according to Dr. Waite as the following. "The edition we used when I was a student of Dr. Merrill F. Unger at Dallas Theological Seminary (1948-53), was the 1937 edition of the Biblia Hebraica by Kittel. All of a sudden in 1937, Kittel changed his Hebrew edition and followed what they called the Ben Asher Masoretic Text instead of the Ben Chayyim. They followed in that text, the Leningrad Manuscript, (B19a, or "L.") The date on it was A.D. 1008. This was not the traditional Masoretic Text that was used for 400 years and was the basis of the KING JAMES BIBLE. They changed it and used this Leningrad Manuscript. So even the main text used by the NKJV, NASV, and NIV in the Hebrew is different from that used for the King James Bible. In addition to the various changes in the Hebrew text at the top of the page, the footnotes in Kittel's BIBLIA HEBRAIC suggest from 20,000 to 30,000 changes throughout the whole Old Testament. (Defending The King James Bible, Rev. D.A. Waite, page 27.)

Must I say more to show you what is happening behind the scenes that most good and studious people have very little opportunity to learn? That is, unless they study beyond the average book available on the bookstore shelves.

No one has hated and opposed the King James Bible and other similar versions of the Bible, as has the Roman Catholic Church. When you read Foxe's Book of Martyrs, research the many thousands of men and women burned at stakes or savagely tormented and murdered by Catholic priests just because they were devoted to translating, printing, or reading the Holy Bible in the common language, you cannot just walk away. Now couple what is happening today with the history (beyond argument) of the Roman Catholic Church.

The Greek Text Behind the NIV Bible

Here is a plain statement from the NIV translators themselves. They said: "What Greek text was used by the translators of the NIV New Testament. It was basically that found in the United Bible Societies' and Nestle's printed Greek New Testaments, which contain the latest and best Greek text available.

"In many passages there is no way of being absolutely certain as to what was the original reading because the best Greek manuscripts, both earlier and later ones, have variant readings. In such cases the translators were asked to weigh the evidence carefully and make their own decision. Of course such decisions were subject to reexamination by the Committee on Bible Translation." (The NIV: The Making of a Contemporary Translation, Kenneth L. Barker, page 53.) Please note that they stated that the "United Bible Society" and "Nestle's" Greek New Testaments were their primary sources.

Before we look at these two "Greek New Testaments" and their modern translators, let's look back to the source for these Greek translations. The same book above also documents the manuscripts these translators used for their modern Greek translation. Let's let them speak for themselves. "Soon after the middle of the nineteenth century (1859), N. Tischendorf discovered in the monastery of Saint Catherine on Mount Sinai a fourth-century uncial manuscript of the entire New Testament, together with much of the Old Testament in Greek translation. From its place of discovery, it is called Codex Sinaiticus. ("Codex" means a bound book, in distinction from a scroll.) Soon after that he pressured authorities into making another fourth-century manuscript available to scholars. It is called Codex Vaticanus, because it is held in the Vatican Library at Rome. Codex Sinaiticus is now in the British Museum. (The NIV: The Making of a Contemporary Translation, Kenneth L. Barker, page 55.)

It is absolutely clear that two main manuscripts, both from Roman Catholic sources, are the heart and soul of these translations of the Greek New Testament. They stated "we should be grateful to God for making these early manuscripts available to us." I say, why not "thank the Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest" for making them available. God knew where they were all of the hundreds of years that this Harlot church was using them for their false doctrines. Everyone should read the story of two men, "Westcott and Hort", that are credited with bringing these false manuscripts into the stream of the modern Bible text. These men were lovers of Rome and Mary and were notedly involved in occultic activities.

Now let's look at the modern translators both for the United Bible Society and Nestle's New Testament Greek. There were five men named as the committee for the editing of the second and third editions of the United Bible Society text. Here are the names as listed in the front of "The Greek New Testament" third edition: Kurt Aland, Matthew Black, Carlo M. Martini, Bruce M. Metzger, and Allen Wikgren. Listen as they describe the activity of these five men in the preface. "The Third Edition, however, contains a more thorough revision of the Greek text. In a series of meetings the Committee including Carlo M. Martini, who has been a member of the Committee for both the Second and Third Editions undertook a thorough review of the text of the First Edition by carefully considering not only a number of suggestions made by specialists in the hold of New Testament studies, but also numerous recommendations resulting from the experience of the members of the Committee as they worked with the text of the First Edition. The greater part of these suggestions for further modification came from Kurt Aland, who had been making a detailed analysis of changes proposed for the 26th edition of the Nestle Aland text. A number of these were textual alterations that had not been previously discussed by the Committee in their work on the First Edition. As a result of the Committee's discussions, more than five hundred changes have been introduced into this Third Edition.

The Committee, sponsored by the United Bible Societies, has thus been able to establish a single text for the Third Edition Greek New Testament and for the 26th edition of the Nestle Aland Text. (Notes on The Greek New Testament, viii.)

Please note the way Carlo M. Martini is emphasized in the preface quote above. He continued on to the last and fourth edition and is apparently still one of the five persons responsible for the on-going changes in both the United Bible Society and Nestle Greek New Testament. This is incredible information explaining why the NIV is such a strong change-agent toward Catholicism. This man is not just a Catholic; he is a Jesuit Priest and a leading teacher of New Age ideas. Let's investigate some of his ideas of Biblical truth.

Jesuit Priest, Carlo M. Martini

This man is a noted New Ager teaching the Cosmic Christ and his universal presence in all religions. The Born Again experience has always been anathema to the Catholic Church. Knowing Jesus Christ to them is a process, a journey that has now evolved to include all religions though they are considered inferior and subject to the Roman Harlot. Listen to this statement by Martini. "The risen Jesus is present to each one, as though the individual loved person were the only object of his love. The risen Christ is the love of God revealed in our hearts by the Spirit, in the heart of each and of all and in each of all. Jesus does not individualize this "each"; he gives himself to the church, the world, the angels, and the universe. Jesus exists for all. But he is for all in such a way that he is for each one, thus making each one become a part of the whole. Such is the power of the resurrection of the "abbreviated" Word, which has made itself small. Whoever accepts the scandal of the Word-become-small will share in the glory of the universality of the cosmic Word which embraces and synthesizes everything, in which all things find their order and fullness, in which everything is resumed and established. (Through Moses To Jesus, Carlo M. Martini, SJ, page 121.)

What a revelation of heresy. Note such statements as, "the cosmic Word", the "word-become-small", the "abbreviated Word." No wonder the NIV has eliminated the word "Lord" 76 times, "God" 45 times, "blood" 23 times, "miracles" 21 times. The title "Master" was changed to "teacher" 43 times. The "Word-become-small" fits his theology perfectly.

He speaks of the "scandal of Jesus" when speaking of His earthly sojourn. Here are his words describing Jesus as possessing the universe and all human will. "Along the way of the scandal of Jesus' particularization until the funereal opacity of the cross, the glory of God totally fills every being. The more I think about it, the more truly grandiose and almost incredible this truth seems to me - that God fills every being with himself. He gives himself, not merely a little but in full. This divine fullness transforms into a divinized totally the entire universe of the human will, which the Son has won for the Father. Though it is true that here we do not yet have the 'all in all' that is the final perfection which we are to attain, nevertheless by lovingly contemplating God in all of us, we already obtain a glimpse of how the fullness of God is gradually actuating the 'all in all,' according to the measure in which each one is able to accept such a vision." (Through Moses To Jesus, Carlo M. Martini, SJ, page 122.)

This is the exact message of the New Agers and is slowly becoming the message of the evangelical world. Ask any minister that has had a few years in the NIV and you will usually find an accommodating attitude toward other religions. The theology they would probably deny but the acceptance of a broader way to salvation has become almost universal in the church world.

In another book by Martini, he speaks of "deification" (all becoming divine) as embracing the pagans of the world. Here are his exact words. "The deification which is the aim of all religious life takes place. During a recent trip to India I was struck by the yearning for the divine that pervades the whole of Hindu culture. It gives rise to extraordinary religious forms and extremely meaningful prayers. I wondered: What is authentic in this longing to fuse with the divine dominating the spirituality of hundreds of millions of human beings, so that they bear hardship, privation, exhausting pilgrimages, in search of this ecstasy? (In The Thick Of His Ministry, Carlo M. Martini, page 42.)

Such a statement coming from the man who is being projected as the next Pope of the Roman Catholic Church has far-reaching consequences. Are Hindus actually on a quest that will end ultimately in their becoming divine? They believe so and the new religious evolution is now accepting the same.

Mr. Martini continues to teach this deification but proceeds to show the "Diabolical Mass" as a process. He stated. "The ministry of reconciliation goes on throughout our lives, but especially at two moments.

The first in intercession, that is in the Eucharist. We take on this ministry when we offer Christ's body and blood and show it to the people. This is the chief moment in which we are ministers of reconciliation. ' This is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.' If only people could understand the extraordinariness of this action and these words! We often lament the sins of the world, the newspapers full of crimes, atrocities and vulgarity. But then we say: 'This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.' And we are certain that this world sunk in sin can be restored. When in the offering and intercession of the Eucharist we pray with the Church that the Lord remove from his holy people all evil, discord and hostility, we are ministers of reconciliation." (In The Thick Of His Ministry, Carlo M. Martini, page 58.)

Does the presence of a Jesuit Priest, a New Age, and heretic on the translation and editing of your Bible make any difference? Do we believe that this man, possibly in line to be the next "Pope and Vicar of Jesus Christ" for the world's largest cult, would waste his time on that committee unless he was making a difference? Now you are beginning to understand why the Evangelicals are talking of working together with the Catholic Church. It has been happening subtly for many years while the church world was spared the facts until the influence could be guaranteed.

What will be the attitude of these committee members for the Greek New Testament and the translators for the NIV, should their working friend Martini soon become the Pope? The present Pope said in his book, Sources of Renewal published by Harper and Row, "little by little...all will be gathered together into the unity of the one and only church." (Sources of Renewal, P. 328)

The NIV and Catholic Doctrines

There are very important changes in the NIV that clearly lean toward dogmas highly esteemed in Catholicism. These changes are very important and clearly help in either establishing or leaning toward the developing merger between Evangelicals and Catholics. Let's list just a few of these text changes. We will list scripture changes after naming the Catholic doctrine.

* Transubstantiation (The mass teaches that the communion bread and cup is actually transformed into the flesh and blood of the Son of God. Not the subtle change.

KJV: "For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."(John 6:55).

NIV: "For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink." (John 6:55).

* Confessing your sins to a priest: We believe we can confess our faults to one another and forgive each other but only God is to receive your confession of sin.

KJV: "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16).

NIV: "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed." (James 5:16).

* The saying of "Hail Mary" to use this vain repetition and rejected by Bible believers. The NIV changes the words "vain repetition" to babbling.

KJV: "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." (Matthew 6:7).

NIV: "And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words." (Matthew 6:7).

* Mary was immaculate and childless except the virgin birth of Jesus: we believe Jesus was the firstborn to Mary with brothers and sisters. "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (Matthew 1:25)

* Mary is the co-redemptress: The Bible clearly states there are only three that bear record in Heaven.

KJV: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." (1 John 5:7).

NIV: Removed to make way for Mary.

* Mary was equal with Christ: We believe that only Mary needed purification.

KJV: "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;" (Luke 2:22).

NIV: "When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord." (Luke 2:22).

The NIV Bible is clearly a Catholic version designed to harmonize the doctrines of Scripture with heretical doctrines of the Roman Harlot. Unless we quit trying to be so civil with the enemies of the gospel, the gospel itself is going to be lost to a multitude of sincere souls. Many additional changes can clearly show this bent toward the Catholic Church.

Conclusion

The Catholic writers are extolling the fact that Evangelical leaders are willing to work together in the translation of Scripture. One writer said: "Catholics should work together with Protestants in the fundamental task of biblical translation...[They can] work very well together and have the same approach and interpretation...[This] signals a new age in the church.." (Patrick Henry, New Directions in New Testament Study (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1979), pp. 232-234.)

The Papel evangelical "Divine afflante Spiritu" in 1943 called for an ecumenical Bible. "[T]hese translations [should] be produced in cooperation with separated brothers." (New American Bible [New York: The World Publishing Co., 1970], p. vii.)

Without a doubt the present NIV and other versions are well on the way toward a "One World Bible" for a "One World Church." It will certainly continue on a downward spiral. The NIV's recent talk over their "inclusive edition" is a good sign of where they are headed.

The Catholic Church will infiltrate every possible ministry and undermine the truth wherever they find an open door. Those that compromise will certainly face the William Tyndale's that willingly died at the stake for copying the Holy Scripture. He and the great heroes of the Reformation plus those of us that fight the good fight will be rewarded for our love of a pure Bible untainted by Rome.

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#12. To: Jhoffa_ (#11)

Stone, are you using the 1611 version of the KJV or not?

If not, guess what? You DON'T HAVE THE KJV by definition.

How is that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

Making me answer the same silly questions over and over..

Actually these are fresh questions. Only one was directed to you. That was about the Jesuit influence on the text. I haven't discussed that with you before.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12)

They call it the "King James Version" because he comissioned it..

Complete with the "Apocrypha"

If you don't have that, you don't have the "King James Version" by definition..

You're got a translation with some fancy words.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jhoffa_ (#14)

"Apocrypha"

I've done a little research on that word since you first brought it up. From my understanding it should not have been included in the Bible because if was from very questionalbe sources. I don't believe any King James version included the apocrypha. Just as it doesn't include the book to thomas.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jhoffa_ (#11)

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

TLBSHOW  posted on  2006-07-03   22:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

TLBSHOW  posted on  2006-07-03   22:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)

The 1611 version did.. The original "King James Version"

The one he comissioned.

It's still handed to Royalty in Britan, Apocrypha intact.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TLBSHOW (#17)

Faggot, 1:69 And thus, the names of Big & Rich shall be called teabagger.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jhoffa_ (#18)

I will have to look into this. Any links you could provide would be welcomed.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone, Jhoffa_, coral snake (#3)

The Book of Ecclesiastes

Chapter 12

1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,

4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;

5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

9 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

10 The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.

11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

TLBSHOW  posted on  2006-07-03   22:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TLBSHOW (#21)

    13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

    14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

LOL!

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jhoffa_ (#18)

Just out of curiosity does the NIV contain the apocrypha? If not would that be a problem from your perspective?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)

No, it does not.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jhoffa_ (#24)

Do you know the reasons given for its seclusion from the two bibles we are discussing?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TLBSHOW (#21)

That's great, Todd..

I'm dying laughing.. Please lay on me the biggest judgement you can.. that I may laugh at it also.

Go ahead.. You're not afraid, are you?

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TLBSHOW (#21)

Come on, motor mouth..

Let's hear it.. Bring forth, from the bowels of whatever.. the "gift"

Let's go..

Surely you're not done.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jhoffa_, TLBSHOW (#27)

Is it the gift of prophecy. I know he denied it before. But you do seem to give prophecise sometimes TLB

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#28)

    Is it the gift of prophecy.

No.. Unfortunately, it's the gift of B/S.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)

DEUTERONOMY 30:7

And the Lord your God will put all these curses upon your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecute you.

TLBSHOW  posted on  2006-07-03   22:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TLBSHOW (#30)

I bet Richard Nixon is pumping Terri Schaivo in the ass right now..

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TLBSHOW (#30)

I'm glad we killed her.. she deserved to die..

Bitch..

Just like all those damned muslims, eh?

Nothing but worhtless eaters.. Right?

We're better off without them.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TLBSHOW (#30)

You fucking jackass.. Don't you dare quote Deuteronomy, or anything else for that matter..

You'd convict the entire state of Florida because one woman was let go, and absolve the entire world for killing innocent people who happen to address their prayers to Allah.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TLBSHOW (#30)

You're a hypocrite of the worst kind..

It's no wonder you're a Coulter Lackey.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jhoffa_ (#31)

I bet Richard Nixon is pumping Terri Schaivo in the ass right now..

Where did that come from? Not one of your better moments.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   22:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#35)

I was trying to provke him..

It makes more sense in context.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-03   22:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jhoffa_, TLBSHOW (#33)

You'd convict the entire state of Florida because one woman was let go, and absolve the entire world for killing innocent people who happen to address their prayers to Allah.

You have a good poing about condemming an entire state because of the actions of a few. I think it was murder what happened to Mrs. Schiavo. I'm sure there are some real christians in Florida. Probably about the same proportion of the rest of the country. As for them praying to allah, I consider that to be satanic. However judgement is for God. It would be better to leave them alone. We gain nothing by bombing them. Especially when we have a president claiming to be a christian. All our foreign policy is doing is stirring up a bunch of shit and giving christians a bad name. That is probably one of the objectives.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   23:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jhoffa_ (#36)

I know where you were coming from. Just sounds kind of bad on a bible discussion thread.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-03   23:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#2)

This time I don't think so because the new "bible" versions tend to deny the the doctrine of the Virgin Birth which both Catholics and Protestents need for their basic doctrines relating to Mary and Jesus.

Catholics require the doctrine of the Virgin Birth to keep Mary their "emmaculate queen of heaven" and Protestents even though they don't worship Mary still need the doctrine of the Virgin Birth as a sign that Jesus is the Messiah.

The papacy has made colossal fools of untold millions of people down through history, and it is still doing so today.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-07-03   23:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#2)

This time I don't think so because the new "bible" versions tend to deny the the doctrine of the Virgin Birth which both Catholics and Protestents need for their basic doctrines relating to Mary and Jesus.

Catholics require the doctrine of the Virgin Birth to keep Mary their "emmaculate queen of heaven" and Protestents even though they don't worship Mary still need the doctrine of the Virgin Birth as a sign that Jesus is the Messiah. If the Jesuits are involved in the new "bible" versions it is more related toi the New World Order than their "church".

The papacy has made colossal fools of untold millions of people down through history, and it is still doing so today.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-07-03   23:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Coral Snake (#40)

If the Jesuits are involved in the new "bible" versions it is more related toi the New World Order than their "church".

Do you doubt this guy is really on the committee and that he is really a jesuit?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-04   0:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#20)

I actually have a copy of the original 1611 King James version. It did include the Apocrapha between the Canonized Old and new Testements for PURELY HISTORICAL PURPOSES and the translators said in a letter directed to the reader at the beginning of the original that the Apocrapha was included for HISTORICAL PURPOSES ONLY and was not canonized scripture.

(Basically a lot of the Apocrapha tells the story of Israel between the end of the Minor Prophets and the beginning of the New Testement and the translators felt that history was of importance though NOT Holy Scripture.)

The papacy has made colossal fools of untold millions of people down through history, and it is still doing so today.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-07-04   0:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)

I certainly believe that he is a Jesuit. I just don't think he is working in the interet of the Catholic Church per se. You must remember that the goal of the Jesuit NWO is to eventually destroy the Catholic Church as we know it (The fall of Mystery Babylon in Revelation) and have the Pope and The Jesuit General (Beast and False Prophet) eventually rule over an entirely new religion built around themselves and Satan as the "trinity" as well as the NWO from Jerusalem.

This I believe is the eventual goal of the new "bible" versions, to basically dilute Both the True Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and the current Mystery Babylon trintiy practiced by Catholicism as it exists now (Father, Mother, Son) for the Satanic trinity of the NWO/Tribulation (Satan, Antichrist, False Prophet). Therefore this is why I see the denial of the Virgin Birth and the degradation of the diety of Christ to be probably the most dangerous false doctrines of the new "bible" versions.

The papacy has made colossal fools of untold millions of people down through history, and it is still doing so today.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-07-04   0:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Coral Snake (#42)

I was reading about the Apocrapha and it said something like you said. That it was a preface of sorts. That it was added for historical purposes and wasn't part of the Bible. Apparently the king james writers even wrote about this when it was originally written. I am glad the Jhoffa_ brought this up. I never heard about it before. It is also good that you confirmed the truth that it was there. I would still like to see one of these bibles myself. Years ago I was working restoring an old building. They had several old bibles there. They were from the 1800's. I looked throuth them and they seemed to be identical to the version that I see today.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-04   0:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Coral Snake (#43)

From my reading of revelation. It seems to me that the pope is the false prophet. I am not sure of this but I think it is possible. Not necessarily this pope but some pope.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-04   0:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jhoffa_, coral snake (#18)

The one he comissioned.

It's still handed to Royalty in Britan, Apocrypha intact.

Though these books were considered non-canonical, slowly over the years they came to be regarded by the Roman Catholic Church as part of the Bible, and were finally officially labled as such. But the Historical Hebrew Religion, and the Historical Christian Religion growing from it, understood that these writings were non-canonical.

It is quite clear that those who would like to have these books considered Holy Canon do so because of their own traditions, and are not facing the facts objectively. Their beliefs are not supported by either the fundamental facts (which are self-evident in these writings), by what the Old Testament Saints themselves historically called scripture, nor by early New Testament Church History. If the Jewish Theologians of the Old Testament Congregation of God (Who of course were used of God to write that Old Testament) didn't have the Apocrypha books in their Old Testament text, why would any Christian Church growing from that very same Old Testament Hebrew Congregation, consider adding these Apocryphal books as part of the Old Testament Hebrew? It makes no sense. Nor is it's presence in copies of the Masoretic Text. Not only this, but Roman catholics attempt to add them as part of Old Testament Canon, in New Testament times, despite all available evidence that they were not inspired Hebrew text? To the objective student, it would seem to fly in the face of all logic and rational scholarship. If they were not God inspired writings to the very people of God's Israel that they were written to, then why would any Church growing from this very same Religion (on their own), consider adding them later?

The answer becomes obvious when we learn the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church which stand or fall by these Apocrypha writings alone. Their inclusion has nothing to do with historicity or truth, nor with evidence derived from higher learning or the careful study of the pertinent facts. It has everything to do with the will of men in justifying their 'Church traditions.' If they were God inspired text, they would have been among the Hebrew texts used by God's Chosen People.

Romans 3:1-2

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-04   1:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#38)

    I know where you were coming from. Just sounds kind of bad on a bible discussion thread.

Honestly, I kind of gave up on the bible discussion when he started phelpsing.

This gloom and doom stuff is what got him tossed off of FU for quite a while.

It's just difficult for me to take him seriously when he's posting this nonsense over Terri, one woman... Then calling for, literally a over a billion innocent people to be punished, because they don't see things his way.

I could go on, with his comments on everything from New Orleans to the space shuttle, but I won't labor the point..

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-04   9:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jhoffa_ (#33)

DEUTERONOMY 30:7

And the Lord your God will put all these curses upon your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecute you.

TLBSHOW  posted on  2006-07-04   10:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TLBSHOW (#48)

Leviticus 18:22 KJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-04   10:55:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jhoffa_ (#49)

wow, quoting from the king james. A

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-07-04   10:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: A K A Stone (#50)

I did it just for you..

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-04   10:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TLBSHOW (#48)

And by the way..

Deuteronomy 22:5

KJV: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment...

"[My] duplicate screen names end up being post&runners, whereas the permanent screen name means you must be accountable for whatever positions you take.." Mudboy Slim

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-07-04   11:01:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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