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Title: NASA Gets New Orders That Bypass the Moon (Orion - Deep Space)
Source: The New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/science/space/01nasa.html
Published: Sep 30, 2010
Author: KENNETH CHANG
Post Date: 2010-09-30 22:30:43 by Hondo68
Keywords: NASA, Orion, deep space
Views: 17520
Comments: 27

NASA, best known as the agency that put the first man on the moon, is about to end its moon program for the foreseeable future.

Under legislation passed by the House late Wednesday, the nation’s spaceflight program will take a new direction. NASA — the National Aeronautics and Space Administration — will turn to private companies to launch astronauts into space, while it starts work on a larger rocket for travel to more distant destinations — an asteroid, perhaps, and eventually Mars.

The bill “helps put the U.S. space program on a more sustainable trajectory,” Lori B. Garver, NASA’s deputy administrator, said Thursday during a telephone news conference. “We now have an important framework.”

The House, in a 304-to-118 vote on Wednesday, approved a Senate-written bill authorizing $58 billion for NASA over the next three years and setting priorities for the agency. The Senate passed the bill in August, and it now goes to President Obama for his signature.

As requested by the administration in February, it cancels Constellation, the ambitious program that was to have sent astronauts back to the moon to establish an outpost, but which no longer fits in the budget. NASA has spent more than $10 billion on Constellation in the past five years, mostly on the Ares I rocket and Orion crew capsule.

However, the compromise legislation does not cancel all of Constellation, as Mr. Obama had originally sought. Development of Orion, capable of deep space missions, is to continue, and the bill directs NASA to develop a heavy-lift rocket able to propel a payload of at least 70 tons.

The next skirmish is likely to be over the design of that rocket. The new bill clearly envisions a rocket built of components used in the space shuttles and Constellation’s soon-to-be-canceled Ares I rocket. The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, which wrote the bill, said in an accompanying report that it expected the rocket to include solid-fuel boosters like those of the shuttle or Ares I.

Some NASA and administration officials have considered switching to the Delta IV and Atlas V rockets currently used to launch satellites for the Air Force. They believe those could be more efficient and less costly because they would avoid infrastructure used only for NASA launchings.

Ms. Garver said that NASA would study all options, including the Delta IV and Atlas V. The legislation calls for NASA to report to Congress in 90 days with a plan for the heavy-lift rocket.

The mandate also extends the space shuttle era. Instead of retiring the shuttles in February, it provides money for one more flight to take supplies to the International Space Station in the second half of 2011.

To pay for the additional shuttle flight and the heavy-lift rocket, the authorization cut deeply into money for future space technologies that NASA had hoped to develop, like orbiting fuel stations.

Despite the lopsided vote in favor of the bill, support for it was not unequivocal. Opponents called it a bad bill; supporters called it flawed, but better than no bill.

“Like Candide, it’s the best of all possible worlds,” said John Logsdon, a space policy expert at George Washington University. “It answers the political imperatives.”

Some of the transitions have already begun. Alliant Techsystems Inc., the company that builds the solid-fuel boosters for the space shuttles and Ares I, announced 426 layoffs on Thursday.

Some of the layoffs had been expected as the shuttle program have wound down, but the cuts are also a result of the end of Ares I and Constellation.

Even after Mr. Obama signs the bill into law, NASA cannot yet begin working in earnest on its new mission. Congress has not finished any of the appropriation bills, which set the actual spending levels, for the 2011 fiscal year, which starts Friday. And the stopgap continuing resolution keeps NASA’s spending levels — and programs, including Constellation — unchanged until after the election in November.

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#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

We can't even get to 'our' space station now. Which begs the question of just whose space station it is. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-01   10:13:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

We can't even get to 'our' space station now. Which begs the question of just whose space station it is. 8D

We iz da wurld......,we iz da peep-pulls.....

I think we do get to spend most of the money required to keep it floating,though. In return,the UN sometimes allows us to use it if we promise to share the research with them.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-01   14:39:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#5)

We iz da wurld......,we iz da peep-pulls.....

I think we do get to spend most of the money required to keep it floating,though. In return,the UN sometimes allows us to use it if we promise to share the research with them.

Uhhh...close.

but unless you think the UN owns Russian rockets, we're talking the Kremlin here. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-01   21:54:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mcgowanjm (#6)

but unless you think the UN owns Russian rockets, we're talking the Kremlin here. ;}

We now have to pay the Russians to use their heavy lift rockets to boost our heavier pay packages into space because some bean counter who obviously wasn't a rocket scientist thought he or she would save the gubmint money by destroying all the tooling and blueprints to make the heavy lift Atlas rockets we used to use.

I know the Russians originally built the space station,but am not certain how much control they have over it anymore,since practically all the maintenance and upgrades on it have been funded by the UN and America.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-01   22:41:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7) (Edited)

I know the Russians originally built the space station,but am not certain how much control they have over it anymore,since practically all the maintenance and upgrades on it have been funded by the UN and America.

The Russians are the Only ones who can get to the station now.

And you do realize that Russia is the #1 producer of oil/nat gas now.

And note how your DoD has decided to spend trillions on shooting down other missiles instead. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-01   23:23:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mcgowanjm (#8) (Edited)

And you do realize that Russia is the #1 producer of oil/nat gas now.

No,but it's not surprising. They have more oil that Saudi Arabia.

Which is one reason both Clinton and Bush should be tried for treason for sucking up to the Arabs while stabbing our natural ally,Russia,in the back.

In the case of Clinton,the bastard robbed them blind by doing stuff like forcing them to buy rotten Tyson chicken for inflated prices,and stealing all the missing billions in foreign aid by the program headed up by Goober Gore that was supposed to teach them how to invest their money and improve their infastructure. BILLIONS ended up missing from that program,and the ONLY one ever charged was a female minor loan officer in the US bank handling the money that just happened to be Russian. Neither Goober nor any of his "Harvard finance whiz kids" ever had a glove laid on them.

Instead of having a powerful ally with more natural resources than any other nation in the world,we STILL have them as potential enemies,and Boy Jorge and Clinton stole from America to help our main enemy,the Muslims.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-02   7:54:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#9)

to help our main enemy,the Muslims.

And if you're not thinking $Trillions and/or $1.5 Quadrillion, you're into Tactics, not strategy.

Like this:

91001 Rummy: 'The Pentagon is missing $2,3 Trillion dollars'.

Poppy Bush meets with Bin Laden and Carlyle Group in DC, 91001. Then does something in the WH the AM of 911. Passing Cheney on the way out the door.

So why are Muslims the main enemy?

# So there we have it. The global Economic Elite have effectively looted and destroyed national economies worldwide, the propaganda system is quickly collapsing, and the masses are beginning to get restless. It’s time to move to the next phase of the attack. Preparations are already underway. We are on the road to World War III. VII: Resource Wars The Road to World War III - The Global Banking Cartel Has One Card Left to PlayAdd to this picture rapidly declining natural resources and an increasingly hostile and polluted environment with extreme weather events frequently pounding the globe. In the past decade the global corporate elite have already engaged in three major resource wars in Iraq, Af-Pak and Northern Africa. With a growing global population and an increasing demand for declining resources, we have already crossed a tipping point and are now in the ecological red.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-02   9:17:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mcgowanjm (#10)

So why are Muslims the main enemy?

Because they have declared war on us.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-02   14:29:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#11) (Edited)

So why are Muslims the main enemy?

Because they have declared war on us.

Sorry, Muslims are #3 on the enemies list, the US government elites, and Mexico declared war first, on Us (We the People). They're #1 and #2, IMO.

#1 Elite Tyrants
#2 Mexico
#3 Muslims

Hondo68  posted on  2010-10-02   15:14:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68 (#12)

#1 Elite Tyrants #2 Mexico #3 Muslims

On #1 See Rick Sanchez. ;}

#2 But boy we do love their oil.

#3 Again. We do love their oil. And that they're buying $132 Billion more in US Weapons. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-03   10:41:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mcgowanjm (#14) (Edited)

#2 But boy we do love their oil.

Boy do they love selling their oil to us. If it wasn't for oil all they would have for sale would be kitty litter. They produce and create nothing other than idiots and professional liars who dream of being martyrs and dictators.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-03   15:51:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16)

Boy do they love selling their oil to us.

The Bottom 99%?

And when do the Bottom 99% get that electricity?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-03   19:45:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mcgowanjm (#17)

Boy do they love selling their oil to us.

The Bottom 99%?

And when do the Bottom 99% get that electricity?

Is there supposed to be a point hidden in there?

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-03   20:39:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

Boy do they love selling their oil to us.

The Bottom 99%?

And when do the Bottom 99% get that electricity?

Is there supposed to be a point hidden in there?

Sure.

Baghdad's an Int'l City with electricity and Full Medical/WasteWater Treatment/Water for everyone pre 2003.

The moment the Baghdad Airport is 'captured', All of the above disappears, even to this day.

THAT's the point. And you will not answer this post because you're paid not to understand any of the above. 8D

And another BTW:

Oil Flow out of Iraq is STILL below April 2003 Levels.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-10-04   8:26:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#20. To: mcgowanjm (#19)

Baghdad's an Int'l City with electricity and Full Medical/WasteWater Treatment/Water for everyone pre 2003.

The moment the Baghdad Airport is 'captured', All of the above disappears, even to this day.

Yup. Reducing competition helps the Sauds.

THAT's the point. And you will not answer this post because you're paid not to understand any of the above. 8D

AKKKK! Ya got me! The Bush Crime Family doesn't pay me to think,just defend them.

Tell me,what gave me away?

sneakypete  posted on  2010-10-04 20:28:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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