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Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Religion See other Religion Articles Title: Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger' Source: MSMBC URL Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39118941/ Published: Sep 11, 2010 Author: By Michael Isikoff Post Date: 2010-09-11 21:31:33 by Murron Keywords: None Views: 76699 Comments: 80 Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger' Envoy says he fears persecution if he leaves the U.S. and returns home A ranking Saudi diplomat told NBC News that he has asked for political asylum in the United States, saying he fears for his life if he is forced to return to his native country. The diplomat, Ali Ahmad Asseri, the first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has informed U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials that Saudi officials have refused to renew his diplomatic passport and effectively terminated his job after discovering he was gay and was close friends with a Jewish woman. In a recent letter that he posted on a Saudi website, Asseri angrily criticized his country’s “backwardness” as well as the role of “militant imams” in Saudi society who have “defaced the tolerance of Islam.” Perhaps most provocatively of all, he has threatened to expose what he describes as politically embarrassing information about members of the Saudi royal family living in luxury in the U.S. If he is forced to go back to Saudi Arabia — as Saudi officials are demanding — Asseri says he could face political persecution and even death. “My life is in a great danger here and if I go back to Saudi Arabia, they will kill me openly in broad daylight,” Asseri said Saturday in an email to NBC. In a recent interview, Asseri and his lawyer said that the Saudi diplomat was questioned by a Department of Homeland Security official in Los Angeles on Aug. 30 after formally applying for asylum on the grounds that he is a member of a “particular social group” — gays — that would subject him to persecution if he returns to his home country. Officials at DHS in Washington as well as the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles did not respond to requests for comment. Poster Comment: It has to be al-Qaida after him, Islamic muzlims wouldn't make threats, or harm him, they are not the enemy... obama said so~ "The overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world are peace-loving people. They include millions of our fellow citizens in this country who are our friends, neighbors and co-workers and attend school with our children. What would it say if we start acting as if their religion is somehow offensive." It's important to be clear on who the enemy is — al-Qaida and extremists, not Islam or the majority of Muslims." ~ Obama; 9/11/2010 Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Murron (#0) If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   21:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Skip Intro (#1) If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay. Is that really where you want to go? Accusing me of wanting to murder fags. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   21:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: A K A Stone (#2) Is that really where you want to go? Accusing me of wanting to murder fags. Don't you? If not, you could have fooled me. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   21:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Skip Intro (#3) It is liberals who support murder. Abortion for example. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: A K A Stone (#4) How'd your koran burning go today? "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   22:03:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Skip Intro (#5) I've never burnt a Koran. I don't care if people do though. It is a right to burn the works of the devil A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro (#2) If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay. I would never harm a gay person just because they are gay, the only thing that would ever cause me to get physical, is if the fool put their hands on me, but that would go for just about anyone. I'll leave his punishment up to God, I do well trying to keep track of my own sins...but if a gay dude, or dudette comes here and wishes to be a member, cool with me, as long as they're not militant or radical about it....door swings both ways on tolerance. If you don't like my stand on gay issues skip, too bad, I wasn't put on this earth to coddle or appease you in anyway....walk it off! "I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee Murron  posted on  2010-09-11   22:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Murron (#7) I don't think anyone denies Muslims hate gays. They're not exactly unique in that regard. I also don't think many deny that radical Muslims are violent. The problem the US has is not to create more radicals. That's no easy task when you're an occupying force, and it becomes even harder if the locals think you're there to covert them from Islam. That's why distributing bibles in a country we occupy is a really bad idea. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   22:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Skip Intro (#8) That's no easy task when you're an occupying force, and it becomes even harder if the locals think you're there to covert them from Islam. That's why distributing bibles in a country we occupy is a really bad idea. It was a constitutional violation. Zero did nothing when he found out. The military is subject to the constitution too. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: A K A Stone (#9) (Edited) It has nothing to do with the constitution. If a group of religious people want and hand out bibles after were gone, I could care less. I do care that what this group was trying to do would have gotten more of our military killed. The military knew this and acted exactly correct in this case. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   22:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Skip Intro (#10) No. They prohibited the free exercise of religion. In a place where we are supposedly trying to give them like free speech and freedom of religion. Are you saying there are no christians in Afghanistan? Don't they have a choice to choose if they want to accept Bibles? You have strange uncorrect beliefs. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: A K A Stone (#11) (Edited) No. They prohibited the free exercise of religion. In a place where we are supposedly trying to give them like free speech and freedom of religion. Oh, is that what we're doing there? So how many hundreds of thousands of Americans are you willing to sacrifice to spread your religious beliefs there? You do understand that Afghanistan is a different country than the US, don't you? That our constitution doesn't apply to the Afghanis? That were in the middle of a war there? If we ever leave that hellhole, you and your fellow fundies are free to go there and evangelize to your heart's content. That way you're only risking your lives for your beliefs, not that of our military. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   22:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Skip Intro (#12) I never supported the war. Do soldiers lose their constitutional rights when deployed in the name of "protecting our freedom"? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   22:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) I never supported the war. Neither did I. We're not talking about the constitutional rights of the soldiers. You do understand what this whole controversy was about, don't you? It had nothing to do with the troops having bibles. "MOAA’s Directer of or Public Relations, Colonel Marv Harris, USAF (Ret), contacted the Office of the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs and reported back the following: OASD/PA says that an individual’s church sent Bibles translated into local languages to him for distribution. He went to his Chaplain asking what to do. The Chaplain, rightly so, counseled him about the rules against trying to convert people to another religion. Trying to convert Muslims to another faith is a crime in Afghanistan. Rather than ship the Bibles back to the donating Church and risking that they might get into civilian hands in that area, leadership elected to put them into a dumpster. Dumpster contents are burned in Afghanistan. The individual involved is not being punished. He did not ask for the Bibles and followed the chain of command in telling about them." By the way, this is an old story. All of this actually happened under the Bush Administration, not Obama. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Skip Intro (#14) So the military doesn't have to follow the constitution when overseas? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: A K A Stone (#15) Did you even read what I just posted? "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Skip Intro (#16) Yeah I read what you said. It violated the constitution though. So does the constitution apply to the military when they are overseas in your view? The constitution isn't only supposed to be followed when they want to or it is convenient. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: A K A Stone (#17) It violated the constitution though. What did? Not allowing a soldier to go out trying to convert Afghans? "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Skip Intro (#18) Prohibiting his free exercise of his religion. His fifth amend rights. Taking private property without due process. Now answer the question. Do soldiers lose their constitutional rights when deployed "defending freedom"? Does the military have to follow the constitution when deployed overseas? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: A K A Stone (#19) Ok Stone. So he breaks the law in Afghanistan, the Afghanis arrest him, try him and execute him. There. Happy now? "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Skip Intro (#18) What did? Not allowing a soldier to go out trying to convert Afghans? When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others? For about the fifth time is the military bound by the constitution when deployed overseas? Do soldiers lose their rights when deplooyed overseas? Why are you so afraid to answer that question? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Skip Intro (#20) So it is lawful in Afghanistan to drop bombs on people? I haven't seen any prosecutions yet. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: A K A Stone (#21) When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others? Yes. It's illegal to do that in Afghanistan. We are not at war with the government of Afghanistan, so when in their country we follow their laws. Is it really that difficult for you to grasp this? "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Skip Intro (#20) Ok Stone. So he breaks the law in Afghanistan, the Afghanis arrest him, try him and execute him. There. Happy now? He didn't try to convert anyone. Do you support finding someone guilty before they do anything as a precaution? It sounds like you do. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: A K A Stone (#22) So it is lawful in Afghanistan to drop bombs on people? I haven't seen any prosecutions yet. Apparently so. What has that got to do with this? Trying to change the subject? "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Skip Intro (#23) He is on a military base and it has its own laws. Are there no christians in Afghanistan? A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Skip Intro (#25) Answer the constitutional question please. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: A K A Stone (#24) He didn't try to convert anyone. That's right, because he was stopped. I'm done. If this is beyond you, please go yourself. Good luck. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Skip Intro (#28) Hey pussy. Answer the question if the military is bound by the constitution while overseas. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Skip Intro (#28) Losers always run when they lost the debate. You are such a pussy that you can't answer a simple question. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Skip Intro, A K A Stone (#14) By the way, this is an old story. All of this actually happened under the Bush Administration, not Obama. The whole story behind the burned Bibles By Robert Farley Published on Monday, May 18th, 2009 Related rulings: "The Pentagon under the Obama administration has just acknowledged seizing and burning the privately owned Bibles of American soldiers serving in Afghanistan." Pray in Jesus Name Project, Sunday, May 17th, 2009. Ruling: Half-True | Details Share this article: An Al Jazeera English news report shows U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan talking about distributing Bibles. Gordon James Klingenschmitt of the Pray in Jesus' Name Project, a former U.S. Navy chaplain, took out an advertisement in Human Events , a conservative publication, with the headline, "BREAKING NEWS: Pentagon Burns Soldiers Bibles - Military Chaplains Attacked." The story begins, "The Pentagon under the Obama Administration has just acknowledged seizing and burning the privately owned Bibles of American soldiers serving in Afghanistan." We found there's a lot more to the story and rated the statement Half True . Read our full item . ************************************** When I clicked the link to read the full item, it was missing, and the link for Half True was yanked too, I'll see if I can go deeper into cyberspace and find the intire story on this, some don't know it, but google only covers about 10- 20 % of what is out there. btw, it was Obama's watch this happened on, not bushe's, tho I do not defend him either. "I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee Murron  posted on  2010-09-11   23:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: A K A Stone (#30) I WILL DELETE EVERY COMMENT YOU MAKE UNTIL YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY. EVERY THREAD. STONE!!! "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Murron (#31) DELETED "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Murron (#31) DELETED "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Skip Intro (#32) I will delete them because I answered all your questions in good faith and you didn't give me the same respect. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: A K A Stone (#35) (Edited) I will delete them because I answered all your questions in good faith and you didn't give me the same respect. I answered your questions, and I corrected your erroneous assumptions. I am not, and have never claimed to be a constitutional expert. Obviously people lose some of their rights in the military. I suggest you hire an attorney who specializes in these matters to answer your questions. I've told you what happened, and why. That's as far as my expertise on the matter goes. BTW, "General Order Number 1 from the U.S. military's Central Command forbids active duty troops -- including all those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan -- from trying to convert people to their religion, considered a crime in many Muslim countries." http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5431RL20090504?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Skip Intro (#36) You didn't really answer the question. Is the military bound by the constitution while overseas. Sorry for being a dick and deleting a couple comments. I'm not perfect. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: A K A Stone (#37) Is the military bound by the constitution while overseas. And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission. "Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-11   23:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: A K A Stone (#35) I get weary of repeating the same thing over and over, doing research and posting facts, when all most of these clowns want is a pissing contest...nothing of what you or I post sinks in, if they even read it all. If skip had just looked at the date on the bible burning, he'd have seen it was 2009, under Obama...but he's like some infantile idiot, repeating himself. "I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee Murron  posted on  2010-09-11   23:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Skip Intro (#38) And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission. So if the president gives them a mission to disarm Americans in America. Skip would say. "And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission." Your contempt for the constitution is heart breaking. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-09-11   23:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (41 - 80) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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