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Title: Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger'
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URL Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39118941/
Published: Sep 11, 2010
Author: By Michael Isikoff
Post Date: 2010-09-11 21:31:33 by Murron
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Views: 74660
Comments: 80
Saudi Diplomat Seeking Asylum: 'My life Is In Danger' Envoy says he fears persecution if he leaves the U.S. and returns home A ranking Saudi diplomat told NBC News that he has asked for political asylum in the United States, saying he fears for his life if he is forced to return to his native country. The diplomat, Ali Ahmad Asseri, the first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has informed U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials that Saudi officials have refused to renew his diplomatic passport and effectively terminated his job after discovering he was gay and was close friends with a Jewish woman. In a recent letter that he posted on a Saudi website, Asseri angrily criticized his country’s “backwardness” as well as the role of “militant imams” in Saudi society who have “defaced the tolerance of Islam.” Perhaps most provocatively of all, he has threatened to expose what he describes as politically embarrassing information about members of the Saudi royal family living in luxury in the U.S. If he is forced to go back to Saudi Arabia — as Saudi officials are demanding — Asseri says he could face political persecution and even death. “My life is in a great danger here and if I go back to Saudi Arabia, they will kill me openly in broad daylight,” Asseri said Saturday in an email to NBC. In a recent interview, Asseri and his lawyer said that the Saudi diplomat was questioned by a Department of Homeland Security official in Los Angeles on Aug. 30 after formally applying for asylum on the grounds that he is a member of a “particular social group” — gays — that would subject him to persecution if he returns to his home country. Officials at DHS in Washington as well as the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles did not respond to requests for comment.
Poster Comment: It has to be al-Qaida after him, Islamic muzlims wouldn't make threats, or harm him, they are not the enemy... obama said so~ "The overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world are peace-loving people. They include millions of our fellow citizens in this country who are our friends, neighbors and co-workers and attend school with our children. What would it say if we start acting as if their religion is somehow offensive." It's important to be clear on who the enemy is — al-Qaida and extremists, not Islam or the majority of Muslims." ~ Obama; 9/11/2010
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#1. To: Murron (#0)
If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Is that really where you want to go? Accusing me of wanting to murder fags.
Don't you? If not, you could have fooled me.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
It is liberals who support murder. Abortion for example.
How'd your koran burning go today?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
I've never burnt a Koran. I don't care if people do though. It is a right to burn the works of the devil
I would never harm a gay person just because they are gay, the only thing that would ever cause me to get physical, is if the fool put their hands on me, but that would go for just about anyone. I'll leave his punishment up to God, I do well trying to keep track of my own sins...but if a gay dude, or dudette comes here and wishes to be a member, cool with me, as long as they're not militant or radical about it....door swings both ways on tolerance. If you don't like my stand on gay issues skip, too bad, I wasn't put on this earth to coddle or appease you in anyway....walk it off!
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
I don't think anyone denies Muslims hate gays. They're not exactly unique in that regard. I also don't think many deny that radical Muslims are violent. The problem the US has is not to create more radicals. That's no easy task when you're an occupying force, and it becomes even harder if the locals think you're there to covert them from Islam. That's why distributing bibles in a country we occupy is a really bad idea.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
It was a constitutional violation. Zero did nothing when he found out. The military is subject to the constitution too.
It has nothing to do with the constitution. If a group of religious people want and hand out bibles after were gone, I could care less. I do care that what this group was trying to do would have gotten more of our military killed. The military knew this and acted exactly correct in this case.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
No. They prohibited the free exercise of religion. In a place where we are supposedly trying to give them like free speech and freedom of religion. Are you saying there are no christians in Afghanistan? Don't they have a choice to choose if they want to accept Bibles? You have strange uncorrect beliefs.
Oh, is that what we're doing there? So how many hundreds of thousands of Americans are you willing to sacrifice to spread your religious beliefs there? You do understand that Afghanistan is a different country than the US, don't you? That our constitution doesn't apply to the Afghanis? That were in the middle of a war there? If we ever leave that hellhole, you and your fellow fundies are free to go there and evangelize to your heart's content. That way you're only risking your lives for your beliefs, not that of our military.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
I never supported the war. Do soldiers lose their constitutional rights when deployed in the name of "protecting our freedom"?
Neither did I. We're not talking about the constitutional rights of the soldiers. You do understand what this whole controversy was about, don't you? It had nothing to do with the troops having bibles. "MOAA’s Directer of or Public Relations, Colonel Marv Harris, USAF (Ret), contacted the Office of the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs and reported back the following: OASD/PA says that an individual’s church sent Bibles translated into local languages to him for distribution. He went to his Chaplain asking what to do. The Chaplain, rightly so, counseled him about the rules against trying to convert people to another religion. Trying to convert Muslims to another faith is a crime in Afghanistan. Rather than ship the Bibles back to the donating Church and risking that they might get into civilian hands in that area, leadership elected to put them into a dumpster. Dumpster contents are burned in Afghanistan. The individual involved is not being punished. He did not ask for the Bibles and followed the chain of command in telling about them." By the way, this is an old story. All of this actually happened under the Bush Administration, not Obama.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
So the military doesn't have to follow the constitution when overseas?
Did you even read what I just posted?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Yeah I read what you said. It violated the constitution though. So does the constitution apply to the military when they are overseas in your view? The constitution isn't only supposed to be followed when they want to or it is convenient.
What did? Not allowing a soldier to go out trying to convert Afghans?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Prohibiting his free exercise of his religion. His fifth amend rights. Taking private property without due process. Now answer the question. Do soldiers lose their constitutional rights when deployed "defending freedom"? Does the military have to follow the constitution when deployed overseas?
Ok Stone. So he breaks the law in Afghanistan, the Afghanis arrest him, try him and execute him. There. Happy now?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others? For about the fifth time is the military bound by the constitution when deployed overseas? Do soldiers lose their rights when deplooyed overseas? Why are you so afraid to answer that question?
So it is lawful in Afghanistan to drop bombs on people? I haven't seen any prosecutions yet.
Yes. It's illegal to do that in Afghanistan. We are not at war with the government of Afghanistan, so when in their country we follow their laws. Is it really that difficult for you to grasp this?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
There. Happy now? He didn't try to convert anyone. Do you support finding someone guilty before they do anything as a precaution? It sounds like you do.
Apparently so. What has that got to do with this? Trying to change the subject?
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
He is on a military base and it has its own laws. Are there no christians in Afghanistan?
Answer the constitutional question please.
That's right, because he was stopped. I'm done. If this is beyond you, please go yourself. Good luck.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Hey pussy. Answer the question if the military is bound by the constitution while overseas.
Losers always run when they lost the debate. You are such a pussy that you can't answer a simple question.
The whole story behind the burned Bibles By Robert Farley Published on Monday, May 18th, 2009 Related rulings: "The Pentagon under the Obama administration has just acknowledged seizing and burning the privately owned Bibles of American soldiers serving in Afghanistan." Pray in Jesus Name Project, Sunday, May 17th, 2009. Ruling: Half-True | Details Share this article: An Al Jazeera English news report shows U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan talking about distributing Bibles. Gordon James Klingenschmitt of the Pray in Jesus' Name Project, a former U.S. Navy chaplain, took out an advertisement in Human Events , a conservative publication, with the headline, "BREAKING NEWS: Pentagon Burns Soldiers Bibles - Military Chaplains Attacked." The story begins, "The Pentagon under the Obama Administration has just acknowledged seizing and burning the privately owned Bibles of American soldiers serving in Afghanistan." We found there's a lot more to the story and rated the statement Half True . Read our full item . When I clicked the link to read the full item, it was missing, and the link for Half True was yanked too, I'll see if I can go deeper into cyberspace and find the intire story on this, some don't know it, but google only covers about 10- 20 % of what is out there. btw, it was Obama's watch this happened on, not bushe's, tho I do not defend him either.
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
I WILL DELETE EVERY COMMENT YOU MAKE UNTIL YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY.
EVERY THREAD. STONE!!!
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
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"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
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"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
I will delete them because I answered all your questions in good faith and you didn't give me the same respect.
I answered your questions, and I corrected your erroneous assumptions. I am not, and have never claimed to be a constitutional expert. Obviously people lose some of their rights in the military. I suggest you hire an attorney who specializes in these matters to answer your questions. I've told you what happened, and why. That's as far as my expertise on the matter goes. BTW, "General Order Number 1 from the U.S. military's Central Command forbids active duty troops -- including all those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan -- from trying to convert people to their religion, considered a crime in many Muslim countries." http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5431RL20090504?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
You didn't really answer the question. Is the military bound by the constitution while overseas. Sorry for being a dick and deleting a couple comments. I'm not perfect.
And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
I get weary of repeating the same thing over and over, doing research and posting facts, when all most of these clowns want is a pissing contest...nothing of what you or I post sinks in, if they even read it all. If skip had just looked at the date on the bible burning, he'd have seen it was 2009, under Obama...but he's like some infantile idiot, repeating himself.
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
So if the president gives them a mission to disarm Americans in America. Skip would say. "And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission." Your contempt for the constitution is heart breaking.
Skip is correct it happened under Bush. mininggold or lucysmom taught me that. But it was revealed when Obama was president.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=54189 Officials Reject Allegations of Proselytizing in Afghanistan By Jim Garamone American Forces Press Service WASHINGTON, May 4, 2009 – A report broadcast by the Arab news network Al Jazeera about U.S. servicemembers proselytizing in Afghanistan is just plain wrong, Pentagon officials said today. The Al Jazeera story showed an evangelical religious service on Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan and a discussion about distributing Bibles that had been translated into Dari and Pashtu – the two major languages of Afghanistan. “American servicemembers are allowed to hold religious services,” a Defense Department official speaking on background said. “The clip shows one of those services with an American chaplain leading a religious service for American servicemembers. In it, he spoke generically about the evangelical faith. That’s all there was to it.” The chaplain did not urge servicemembers to go among the Afghan people and attempt to gain converts to Christianity, the official said. In the second instance, a young sergeant received a shipment of Bibles translated into Dari and Pashtu from his church in the United States. The film showed a discussion about the Bibles. “What it did not show was the chaplain counseling the young sergeant that distributing the Bibles was against U.S. Central Command’s General Order No. 1,” the official said. The chaplain confiscated the Bibles. “As far as we know, none ever got off base.” Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Navy Adm. Mike Mullen was asked about the incident – which happened in May 2008 – during a Pentagon news conference today. “It certainly is – from the United States military’s perspective – not our position to ever push any specific kind of religion, period,” Mullen said. There is no indication disciplinary action was taken against the young servicemember. “The counseling sufficed,” the official said. General Order No. 1 specifically forbids “proselytizing of any faith, religion or practice.”
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Then I owe him an apology, but I still haven't seen a link posted showing this, everywhere I go, the date '2009' pops up, so if you have a link to the original story connecting bush, I'd like to see it. Thanks!
"I really wanna care. I wanna feel somethin'. Let me dig a little deeper:. No, My give-a-damn's busted"~ Messina Jo Dee
This isn't about me, Stone. I'm making an observation about how the world really works.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Ever seen minority report. Your view reminds me of that movie. Pre crime. Even though it isn't really a crime. Even though there are unalienable rights. You must think that our rights come from a piece of paper and not that that piece of paper simply recognizes rights that people inherently have.
"General Order No. 1 specifically forbids “proselytizing of any faith, religion or practice.” Not my rule, Stone. Don't like it, do something about it.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Ok that is good to hear. So you're basically saying that the military does whatever they want. That they are supposed to follow it but in reality they don't. If that is your position then I can't really disagree with that point. Again sorry for deleting a couple of comments. Sometimes my emotions cloud my judgement.
The military is it's own world. Ask some of your vets here, like Fred or sneaky.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
Fred was in the military. I never knew.
NSS!
I think he was. I could be wrong.
"Our quest for the lesser evil has arrived at an impasse. On one hand we have a world-class Doublethinker who expects us to thank him for keeping promises he has vigorously broken and to accept the cynical notion that war is peace. On the other we have a mob of flesh-eating galoots who promise to give us Orwell’s Hate Week 52 weeks a year for as long as it takes them to bring about Armageddon. " — Jeff Huber
He must have been in the calvary or something.
Calvary is a hill where Jesus if he existed was allegedly executed. You mean cavalry.
Christ was crucified at Golgotha.
Well, [war's] got to do something for attention, his multiple personalities aren't speaking to him any more, and his imaginary friends keep finding excuses not to come over. (Murron)
Liberals persecute gays through their support of islam.
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I had no idea when it actually happened. Nor do I really care.
Too funny.
Stone, the Military can make their own rules if command determines it has to to maintain order, discipline and accomplish the various missions at hand. The link above is on the prohibition of abortion in the military. The military is no democracy. They have prohibited religious salesmanship over there, much as they have ordered women serving in Saudi Arabia to wear Muslim grade clothing there and won't let them drive. IF they determine a right you have here gets in the way of accomplishing the mission, you lose it. It has always been that way. I know what I'm talking about.
The commanders with the most power are military ship's Captains. If you are on their ship, you definitely don't want to cross them. There, they are god.
Oh come on... you mean they don't get to vote on whether to carry out an order or not?
All muslims are in the army of allah. I'd-like-to-see-a-bullet-in-his-forehead-fred is a Filipino Muslim.
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In the Military, one falls under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, (UCMJ). I was tried in a Special Court Martial a Fort Bragg in 1977 and won. I spent a buttload of time studying this issue. IF you pass out Bibles and witness in a war theater against expressed orders from command, you are in deep trouble. ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION Any person subject to this chapter who-- (1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation; (2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or (3) is derelict in the performance of his duties; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. Good on you Stone. I get so sick of their bullshit.
Clinton and Cuomo are the true bandits who lit the fuse to this economic crisis we're now in. All in the name of getting more minorities in houses: http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12554
Very much prohibited there. Command can give orders that troops can not talk about their religion to civilians if they determine it endangers lives, public order, or the mission at hand. They cannot prevent troops from praying or worshiping privately. But if you are ordered never to mention the topic to a civilian there and do, you are violating a direct order from a superior commissioned officer. You would be punished, and the person in trouble has no remedy to appeal this under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution. That has always been how our military works. The UCMJ is the latest version of military law, and was put in place in the 1950s.
-- A good news story covering this controversy Blog on religion and the military where I got this video Bare URL: http://donklephant.com/2009/05/04/why-religion-and-military-dont-mix/
Spreading Bibles with the cover story of giving gifts is against the directives of the Command structure. In recent years, the most fervent Christians have chafed against the orders not to "hunt bodies for Jesus". I have run into these people in the military and found them to be arrogant and highly disrespectful. They seem to feel that they have a higher calling to spread the Gospel then the doctrine and directives of the command structure which seeks to maintain good relationship between civilian populations and provide a safe environment that does not have unnecessary complications toward the end of achieving the mission. If these people feel so strongly about this, they can get out of the military and go over there themselves and do what they want. I have seen one NCO who was cadre at the Special Forces Qualification Course removed from his slot for insulting Muslim officers who were guests of the United States and allowed to take the course. This will no doubt continue to be a controversy. But historically, the command structure of the military gets it's way, and this is a good thing. They are the ones most concerned about health and welfare in a theater of operations. And it was the Pentagon and Sec, of Defense Gates who are most responsible for these policies and doctrine. President Obama has eventually followed their lead on this. He is not the instigator of thee policies.
You have no issues with posters here blasting each other. Yet you remove comments directed at you that are offensive. Telling indeed.
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YOU should be glad that he doesn't, You would have been gone in a day...along with your husband. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #5. To: war (#4) http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/24/sarah-palins-legal-defense-fund-was-illegal-ethics-panel-finds/ The Liberty Flame ethics panel finds that you are a faggot and troll. Shut up and wait for your father in law to die. ----------------------------------------------------------- Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in. WhiteSands posted on 2010-07-07 16:02:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
The link above is on the prohibition of abortion in the military. The military is no democracy. They have prohibited religious salesmanship over there, much as they have ordered women serving in Saudi Arabia to wear Muslim grade clothing there and won't let them drive. IF they determine a right you have here gets in the way of accomplishing the mission, you lose it. It has always been that way. I know what I'm talking about. The military was created and is under control of our legislative branch and the commander in chief. They are bound by the constitution. They violated the first amendment and others. It was unlawful. I realize no one will do anything about it. We have an illegal govt headed by an illegal president.
Yet you remove comments directed at you that are offensive. Telling indeed. There was nothing offensive towards me. He just wouldn't answer the question. I'm not perfect.
ok warmonger.
Yet you remove comments directed at you that are offensive. Telling indeed. That is why mining, war, and tulls taglines are gone.
Like Marvin Bush's maid: The Fairfax police public statement on the death made no reference to Marvin Bush, his address, or the videotape of the deceased employee with President Bush: "A 62-year-old Alexandria area woman died after being pinned between a rolling car and a building. The crash happened on Monday, around 9 pm, near the intersection of Fort Hunt Road and Edgehill Drive. Bertha Champagne had gone outside to get something from a car in a driveway. The car, which was left in gear, began to roll forward. Champagne was pinned between the car and a small building next to the driveway. The car continued to roll down the driveway, crossed Fort Hunt Road, and came to rest in a wooded area. Champagne was taken to Inova Mount Vernon Hospital where she was pronounced dead." In fact, an attempt by this editor to obtain the police report in 2003 was unsuccessful, the Fairfax police public affairs officer claiming that it was only releasable to the "Accident Reconstruction Team."
For someone who loves freedom so much you sure are busy censoring... Just saying. You also conspired with Tull to set up a thread for the sole purpose of allowing him to call me a child molester. Just saying, again.
You're full of it. I made the thread and it had nothing to do with Tull or what you said. And no you are not a child molester. That is why i removed his tagline.
Know exactly how ya feel on this.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
Meeting 3 U.S. officers who are angered by the special relationship by Philip Weiss on September 10, 2010 · 167 comments Like 39 5 Retweet I often look around the political rabbithole I went down a few years ago and wonder what I’m doing here and whether I’ll ever get out. I think of all the associations and even interests I had earlier in life that I’ve cut myself off from. I wonder if I'm not bonkers or if I’ve had a temperamental breakdown in midlife that unsuited me for the world. Though generally I end up saying, What the hell, my wife’s ok with it, I’ve got a good life, you gotta do what you gotta do. In the last couple days I’ve had conversations with three American military officers in Jordan that left me feeling good about my choice. In each case it was the officers who brought up the tremendous strategic liability that Israel represents for the U.S., and two of them used the words “Jewish lobby” without prompting. I’m not going to give away details because these were two chance meetings; the individuals had no idea what use I’d make of their comments. All three work in the Arab world. One is retired, the other two were passing through. Now let me tell you what they said.
They violated the first amendment and others. It was unlawful. I realize no one will do anything about it. We have an illegal govt headed by an illegal president." And historically the Marines were formed because Britain had a Navy that would force Americans to join by seizing them from American merchant vessels. And the Army was in charge of the focus of destruction and conquest of the people who's land we stole and call our own. Obama is no more illegal then the entire setup of the USA is, Stone. The policies you don't like here are not anything more then a tactical move to enhance military operations. Many of the generals and admirals making policies like this are very religious, but take a 'there is a time and a place for this' attitude on Bible thumping. And as they are very good military planners, and this policy is very well thought out and defensible, you would never get any traction trying to change it.
And you are much like the lava dome in a volcano, seething, steaming, pregnant with the signs you could explode into violent rage ant anytime. Your taunt is a joke. I laugh at it. It comes from someone who Hannibal Lector would keep an eye on were you to be living next to him.
He never existed. Your point is pointless to argue.
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If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay.
#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Is that really where you want to go? Accusing me of wanting to murder fags.
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If he comes here, you or Stone may kill him for being gay.
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That's no easy task when you're an occupying force, and it becomes even harder if the locals think you're there to covert them from Islam. That's why distributing bibles in a country we occupy is a really bad idea.
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No. They prohibited the free exercise of religion. In a place where we are supposedly trying to give them like free speech and freedom of religion.
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I never supported the war.
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It violated the constitution though.
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What did? Not allowing a soldier to go out trying to convert Afghans?
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When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others?
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Ok Stone. So he breaks the law in Afghanistan, the Afghanis arrest him, try him and execute him.
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So it is lawful in Afghanistan to drop bombs on people? I haven't seen any prosecutions yet.
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He didn't try to convert anyone.
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By the way, this is an old story. All of this actually happened under the Bush Administration, not Obama.
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I will delete them because I answered all your questions in good faith and you didn't give me the same respect.
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Is the military bound by the constitution while overseas.
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And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission.
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If skip had just looked at the date on the bible burning, he'd have seen it was 2009, under Obama...but he's like some infantile idiot, repeating himself.
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If skip had just looked at the date on the bible burning, he'd have seen it was 2009, under Obama...but he's like some infantile idiot, repeating himself.
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Skip is correct it happened under Bush. mininggold or lucysmom taught me that. But it was revealed when Obama was president.
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Skip would say. "And I will say that the military isn't bound by the constitution, period, if it interferes with the mission."
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none ever got off base
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This isn't about me, Stone. I'm making an observation about how the world really works.
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That they are supposed to follow it but in reality they don't. If that is your position then I can't really disagree with that point.
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I'm done.
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Fred was in the military. I never knew.
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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
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Skip is correct it happened under Bush. mininggold or lucysmom taught me that. But it was revealed when Obama was president.
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
Calvary is a hill where Jesus if he existed was allegedly executed. You mean cavalry.
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http://reproductiverights.org/en/document/penalized-for-serving-their-country-the-ban-on-abortion-for-women-in-the-military
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#60. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
The link above is on the prohibition of abortion in the military. The military is no democracy.
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Fred was in the military. I never knew.
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
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Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
#63. To: A K A Stone (#35)
I will delete them because I answered all your questions in good faith and you didn't give me the same respect.
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"When he has time off is he prohibited from talking about his religion or sharing it with others? For about the fifth time is the military bound by the constitution when deployed overseas? Do soldiers lose their rights when deployed overseas? Why are you so afraid to answer that question?"
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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
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You have no issues with posters here blasting each other.
#69. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
Stone, the Military can make their own rules if command determines it has to to maintain order, discipline and accomplish the various missions at hand.
#70. To: WhiteSands (#67)
You have no issues with posters here blasting each other.
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You have no issues with posters here blasting each other.
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"The military was created and is under control of our legislative branch and the commander in chief. They are bound by the constitution.
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"ok warmonger."
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"Christ was crucified at Golgotha."
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