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Title: Sharia for Dummies: Imam Feisal Abdel Rauf Claims US Constitution Is Sharia Compliant
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URL Source: http://bigpeace.com/ndarwish/2010/08/26/sharia-for-dummies/
Published: Sep 8, 2010
Author: Nonie Darwish
Post Date: 2010-09-08 10:54:02 by Murron
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Imam Feisal Abdel Rauf Claims That the US Constitution Is Sharia Compliant Now let us examine below a few laws of Sharia to see if Imam Rauf is truthful or a fraud: 1- Jihad defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule. 2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force. 3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape. 4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad. 5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust. 6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male. 7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam. 8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately. 9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : 1) an apostasy 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable. 10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim. 11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave. 12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for crimes of sin such as adultery. 13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam. 14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, the opposite is not true for Muslims. 15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim. 16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed. 17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce. 18- A non-Muslim cannot rule even over a non-Muslims minority. 19- Homosexuality is punishable by death. 20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9. 21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home. 22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it. 23- There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death. 24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits. 25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and she has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous. 26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs. 27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled. 28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man. 29- A woman looses custody if she remarries. 30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. 31- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim. 32- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face and some don’t. 33- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.” The above are clear cut laws in Islam decided by great Imams after years of examination and interpretation of the Quran, Hadith and Mohammed’s life. Now let the learned Imam Rauf tell us what part of the above is compliant with the US constitution?
Poster Comment: And we haven't even touched on these laws, if broken by a non-muslim (you and me), will be enforced! I have a feeling that if these laws were to ever take effect here in the U.S., most of us will just bypass our First Amendment, and just go straight to our Second.... BLOAT!! Lock n Load....
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#1. To: Murron (#0)
"Sharia for Dummies" is an apt title.
Reads a lot like Jewish law in the Old Testament.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
And Mammies evidently never read the Talmud.
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??" The good "cop", Jethro Tull explaining how to prevent a Palin family tradition in YOUR family.
H.R.6975 - Jihad Prevention Act HR 6975 Congressman Tom Tancredo R - CO To require aliens to attest that they will not advocate installing a Sharia law system in the United States as a condition for admission, and for other purposes. Tancredo introduced HR 6975, the Jihad Prevention Act, last week (Sept. 18th, 08'). If made into law, the bill would allow American authorities to prevent advocates of Islamic law, or Shariah, from entering the country, revoke the visa of any foreigners that champion it and revoke naturalization for citizens that seek to implement it in the U.S. The radical form of Shariah includes several statutes objectionable to Western minds, including stoning for adulterous women, amputation for thieves and the death sentence for converting from Islam. "When you have an immigration policy that allows for the importation of millions of radical Muslims," Tancredo said in a statement, "you are also importing their radical ideology – an ideology that is fundamentally hostile to the foundations of Western democracy – such as gender equality, pluralism and individual liberty. "The best way to safeguard America against the importation of the destructive effects of this poisonous ideology is to prevent its purveyors from coming here in the first place," Tancredo said. Sep 18th (08') Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. As far as I can find, this Bill is still sitting there. ~ Murron
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
Care to name any part of the world where Old Testament Jewish Law is being implemented?
______________________________________________________________________________ Complete or partial?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I guess we're just stuck with home-grown poisonous ideologies.
I don't know. Is the discussion about complete or partial sharia law? (if there is such a thing as partial sharia law. Nice diversion)
______________________________________________________________________________ Your use of the word "implemented" makes the question valid. There are some areas/people in Israel who have a fairly strict interpretation of the Talmud. I see women in wigs here all the time.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
If people in Israel choose to live under the Talmud, that's none of my business. Just as if people in the Sudan choose to live under Sharia - that's not my problem either. Now here's where it gets trickier: If Hasidic Jews in NYC choose to live under the Talmud (and don't force it on anyone else, nor demand that Talmudic laws supersede local or federal laws), that's none of my business, either. That's about where I am with Sharia . . .
______________________________________________________________________________ Then we agree.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
They're working on it. Just last year at a Republican state convention in Arizona, new Christian rightists managed to pass a floor resolution declaring that the U.S. is "a Christian nation" and that the U.S. Constitution created "a republic based upon the absolute laws of the Bible, not a democracy." Elsewhere, Joseph Morecraft, pastor of Chalcedon Presbyterian Church just outside Atlanta, has been trying to convince Georgia’s Republican Party to declare the Bible the source of all civil law. And at the 1988 convention of the Texas Republican Party, Christian delegates helped pass a party platform severely conservative on social and moral issues, amid a debate punctuated, as one journalist put it, with more amens and hallelujahs than a revivalist tent meeting.
I know both secular and religious Leftists (and I suspect you fall into the latter category) just LOVE to cite rightist fringe groups as proof that some terrible, right-wing theocracy is just around the corner. Makes good fodder for fund-raising letters, doncha know? Allow me to be the first to put your mind at ease - IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! There's as much chance of the US becoming a right-wing theocracy as of me winning the lottery (and I don't even play it.) Now is there a chance of it becoming a left-wing statist theocracy? That's another matter . . .
______________________________________________________________________________ I don't know if you meant this for me, but I'll post anyway. This is nowhere near all the Sharia laws, and I've noticed that their koran invades every aspect of their lives too, which pretty much blends in with their laws...lol..it is a mess And it's a mess because? Because Islam is their Religion, Islam is their government and Laws...there is NO Separating Islamic Government/ShariaLaw....and Religion...
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
That's about where I am with Sharia . . . But that's where the sticky part comes in IA, you can't have Sharia and still expect to be protected by our individual Rights, protected by our Constitution...they conflict with each other. Look at some of the laws I've posted above, and see which refers to YOU! Ok! Now if you've broken one of their laws, even tho, and especially because, you are a 'non muslim'...how are they going to enforse their neanderthal laws upon you??? &;-) These two will never live in peace together...and that's a fact!
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
Isn't that similar to Israel? BTW which has NO constitution, and plenty of nukes which it refuses to allow the inspection of.
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??" The good "cop", Jethro Tull explaining how to prevent a Palin family tradition in YOUR family.
13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non- Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam. 19- Homosexuality is punishable by death. (now they'll have a field day SF if they try that shit there..aha) 20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9. (now how can we protect these muslim children, when their own people don't, will Child Welfare allow such things?) 14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, the opposite is not true for Muslims Any of these above could involve you, friends, or even your family, but we are Americans, living under our freedoms and liberties, protected by our Constitution....who's law is supreme?
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
Strict Jews think Goyim are less than human. What's the diff?
"Look you leftist pervert, make sure you keep your Mr Winky away from your family's new addition or I will send some fellow salad tossers to square away your sorry butt. Got it??" The good "cop", Jethro Tull explaining how to prevent a Palin family tradition in YOUR family.
Historically in the US, I believe there's been a "hands-off" policy toward religious sects and religious communities (with the possible exception of Joseph Smith and the Mormons; and David Koresh and the Branch Davidians). For instance, I live in an area where there are lots of Amish. They have their own communities, but they seem willing to abide by civil rules and regulations - i.e. running lights and slow-moving vehicle signs on their horse drawn buggies. It also helps that the Amish are a peace-loving people (which cannot necessarily be said about all Muslims.) You list raises important questions: By definition, a follower of Islam who happens to be a US citizen is - by definition - subject to the protections of the US Constitution. So what does that mean? Is an adult Muslim woman totally subject to her husband? Only if she wishes to be. And, if she resists her husband, and he harms (of kills) her, he should be subject to the FULL EXTENT of civil and federal law. No exceptions. Am I, as a non-Muslim, subject to the rants, ravings or whims of some Muslim "official". Well, I suppose he can rant and rave all he wants (1st Amendment and all), but if he does me any kind of harm he is (or should be) subject to our laws. If I read you correctly, you have a concern that our upside-down, bizarro new age US Government WON'T hold Muslims - who break our laws - to the same standard as everyone else. If that is your concern, I share it. Given the Marxists, Leninists and statists that we have currently running the country, I'm not so sure they ever would punish a Muslim - whatever one of our laws they broke.
______________________________________________________________________________ Oklahoma Set to Ban Sharia, Muslims Not Happy June 8, 2010 Oklahoma lawmakers have seen the light, and are looking to follow in the footsteps of Louisiana and ban Sharia Law. This is a great step in our war with Islam. The reason is that, not only does it protect us from Islam, it will also expose the pro-Sharia Muslims. Personally I would like to take it one step further though. After the law is passed, I would arrest and deport if possible, any Muslim that calls for Sharia Law. All Sharia loving Muslims are to be looked upon as enemies of the state, just like Nazis were. Sharia law, courts likely on 2010 ballot Mark Schlachtenhaufen The Edmond Sun EDMOND — State lawmakers say it’s a pre-emptive strike against Sharia law, needed to prevent here what has happened in the United Kingdom. An Islamic leader says it’s another example of a rising tide of anti-Islamic bigotry in America. State Question 755, which likely will be on the ballot in November, would make in-state courts rely on federal and state laws when deciding cases and forbid courts from using international law or Sharia law when making rulings. The proposal, which has an Edmond connection, would amend Article 7, Section 1 of the Oklahoma Constitution, and stems from House Joint Resolution 1056, dubbed the “Save Our State” amendment, passed during the just-finished legislative session. State Rep. Lewis Moore, R-Edmond, a co-author of HJR 1056, said he wanted to express his support very early for the legislation, which is needed because of the “onslaught” coming Oklahoma’s way. “I don’t think we should accept or encourage Sharia law in any way, shape or form,” Moore said. State Rep. Rex Duncan, R-Sand Springs, primary author of HJR 1056, said Oklahoma is the first state to pass such legislation and he hopes other states will follow. Duncan, an attorney who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, said the amendment is needed because judges in other states and on the federal bench have increasingly cited international law in their decisions. He said he feels that action is inappropriate in a sovereign state. Duncan said Sharia law is entrenched in the United Kingdom. “It is a cancer upon the survivability of the UK,” Duncan said. “SQ 755 will constitute a pre-emptive strike against Sharia law coming to Oklahoma.” State Sen. Anthony Sykes, R-Moore, a co-author of HJR 1056, said American courts are being more frequently challenged that international law should trump U.S. law. “Sharia law coming to the U.S. is a scary concept,” Sykes said. “Hopefully the passage of this constitutional amendment will prevent it in Oklahoma.” Council on American-Islamic Relations spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said he has been working on Muslim civil rights issues for several decades and anti-Islam rhetoric is approaching “Nazi-like” levels. “This is just the flip side of the anti-Semitic coin,” Hooper said. Hooper said Duncan is voicing a misconception of Sharia, which is based on the Quran, the traditions of Muhammad and interpretation of scripture, that it is comparable to laws related to other religions. Regarding unintended consequences, Hooper wondered aloud what the amendment would mean for Muslims who want to wear a scarf in a driver’s license photo, for Muslims who want to pray in the workplace, if Muslims attending Oklahoma’s public schools will be forced to eat pork. Saad Mohammed, director of Islamic information for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, said 80 percent of the U.S. Constitution is compatible with Sharia, which leads to justice and equality for all. Mohammed said extremists have distorted Sharia. “Sharia is more of a protection than something used to oppress,” Mohammed said. Razi Hashmi, of Edmond, executive director of CAIR-Oklahoma, said the Sharia law proposal is a distraction from more urgent issues facing the state such as the economy, job creation and immigration. Hashmi said the proposal is a way of promoting division and bigotry instead of promoting unity and understanding of other faiths and cultures.
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
"To; war" did not clue you in to whom it was to? You ruin surprise parties, don't you?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
A gross violation of the 1st amendment not to mention wholly repugnant to the 9th and 14trh.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Unless they, and our government have made some sort of pact on issues like this...they will clash! No muslim will allow himself to be tried my a non- muslim court, if he can get around it, because in the eyes of his laws and religion, he's committed no crime. jmo
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
Hoo-RAH!! An Islamic leader says it’s another example of a rising tide of anti-Islamic bigotry in America. F*** you, rag head boy-effers and satanic cultists. AMERICANS AND OUR LAWS CALL THE SHOTS HERE - NOT IMAMS. Excuuuuuse us for hating E-V-I-L.
If that is your concern, I share it. The Mormons, for years, tried to make the same claims in Federal Court. There are right wingers who routinely challegnge the legitimacy of courts or try to act out of a sense of empowerment - the recent "Citizens Grand Jury" but one example. Why do you believe that Moslems would prevail where no other group has previously?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Really?? Sharia Law supersedes America Law?? You're smoking waaaay too many....well....whatever.
Hey fellows, please watch the video I just posted. Jezzzzus, Islamic muslims are out of control in Europe, and they do have their focus on the U.S.... My daughter and 3 of my g-kids live in Illinois, and I am terrified for them...not me, but for them. I repeat myself! BLOAT! Lock n Load, if you live anywhere near where these lunatics maybe, or soon will be! Stay safe! They have been such a protected species for so long, their angry, violent arogance knows no bounds....
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
Let's see where the trial of the Ft. Hood Shooter leads, shall we? Oh wait - he wasn't influenced by Islam /sarc My bad . . .
______________________________________________________________________________ Hell Yes! damn if I'll deny it, I'll have it tatooed on my ass if I thought it would piss him off even more...the only argument they have left is name- calling, oz has been exposed and they don't like it.
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
(bookmark for later, gotta get back to work)
______________________________________________________________________________ Have a good day....
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
Why would he be any different from how the Beltway shooter was prosectued; seriously, what makes you believe that the Ft. Hood shooter is going to get off? They nailed that guy who threw the hand grenade in Kuwait.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Is there any other kind?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Praise Jezzzzus, the Holy Grail and Holy Hand Grenades; (not to mention Frenchmen farting in someone's general direction,) you are right. Murron has helped us see the light, Muslims are Islamic. Why, this could be a Revelation that sparks lots of other insight. For example, it could mean, Christians are followers of Jezzzzus. Though, Murron, I think there are actually only three 'Z's in the son of the Cosmic Muffin's name.
Good photo of Obama, weasel!
There's Pope for her yet.
I hope you are just having some fun, but if your intentions are to join war and flame me all over LF....don' fk with me, Annica!
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion"~ Albert Camus
It's all in fun. Believe me, I sure as heck have had my foot so deep in my mouth it nearly took mining explosives to extract it. No worries, Annica. ;-D
I assume that is your name. ;-D
I thought her name was Mammy.
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#2. To: Murron (#0)
#3. To: war (#2)
Reads a lot like Jewish law in the Old Testament.
#4. To: All (#0)
#5. To: war, Murron (#2)
Reads a lot like Jewish law in the Old Testament.
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush . . .
-Skippy, the boy wonder.
#6. To: Ignore Amos (#5)
Care to name any part of the world where Old Testament Jewish Law is being implemented?
#7. To: Murron (#4)
"The best way to safeguard America against the importation of the destructive effects of this poisonous ideology is to prevent its purveyors from coming here in the first place,"
#8. To: war (#6)
Complete or partial?
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush . . .
-Skippy, the boy wonder.
#9. To: Ignore Amos (#8)
#10. To: war (#9)
There are some areas/people in Israel who have a fairly strict interpretation of the Talmud. I see women in wigs here all the time.
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush . . .
-Skippy, the boy wonder.
#11. To: Ignore Amos (#10)
#12. To: Ignore Amos (#5)
Care to name any part of the world where Old Testament Jewish Law is being implemented?
#13. To: lucysmom (#12)
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush . . .
-Skippy, the boy wonder.
#14. To: Ignore Amos (#8)
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Is the discussion about complete or partial sharia law? (if there is such a thing as partial sharia law. Nice diversion)
#15. To: Ignore Amos (#10)
If Hasidic Jews in NYC choose to live under the Talmud (and don't force it on anyone else, nor demand that Talmudic laws supersede local or federal laws), that's none of my business, either.
#16. To: Murron (#14)
(Edited)
And it's a mess because? Because Islam is their Religion, Islam is their government and Laws...there is NO Separating Islamic Government/ShariaLaw....and Religion...
#17. To: All (#0)
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8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately. 9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : 1) an apostasy 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.
#18. To: Murron (#17)
(Edited)
Any of these above could involve you, friends, or even your family, but we are Americans, living under our freedoms and liberties, protected by our Constitution....who's law is supreme?
#19. To: Murron (#15)
These two will never live in peace together...and that's a fact!
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush . . .
-Skippy, the boy wonder.
#20. To: All, Sharia law, courts likely on 2010 ballot (#0)
Here is a little preview of how Sharia loving Muslims, will treat us infidels.
#21. To: Murron (#14)
I don't know if you meant this for me, but I'll post anyway
#22. To: Murron (#20)
#23. To: Ignore Amos (#19)
And, if she resists her husband, and he harms (of kills) her, he should be subject to the FULL EXTENT of civil and federal law. No exceptions.
#24. To: Murron (#20)
(Edited)
State lawmakers say it’s a pre-emptive strike against Sharia law, needed to prevent here what has happened in the United Kingdom.
#25. To: Ignore Amos (#19)
If I read you correctly, you have a concern that our upside-down, bizarro new age US Government WON'T hold Muslims - who break our laws - to the same standard as everyone else.
#26. To: war (#22)
[Islam is] A gross violation of the 1st amendment not to mention wholly repugnant to the 9th and 14trh.
#27. To: Liberator, Ignore Amos (#24)
(Edited)
#28. To: war (#25)
(Edited)
Why do you believe that Moslems would prevail where no other group has previously?
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush . . .
-Skippy, the boy wonder.
#29. To: Liberator (#24)
An Islamic leader says it’s another example of a rising tide of anti-Islamic bigotry in America.
#30. To: Murron (#27)
Hey fellows, please watch the video I just posted.
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush . . .
-Skippy, the boy wonder.
#31. To: Ignore Amos (#30)
#32. To: Ignore Amos (#28)
(Edited)
Oh wait - he wasn't influenced by Islam /sarc
#33. To: Murron (#27)
Islamic muslims
#34. To: war, Murron (#33)
"Is there any other kind?"
#35. To: Ferret Mike, war, Murron (#34)
#36. To: war (#33)
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
#38. To: Murron (#37)
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#39. To: Murron (#37)
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
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