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Title: It's official: Analysis says bailouts saved economy
Source: chron
URL Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7160768.html
Published: Sep 4, 2010
Author: FROMA HARROP
Post Date: 2010-09-04 04:03:22 by lucysmom
Keywords: bailout, economy, unemployment
Views: 139740
Comments: 163

Using econometric models, Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi argue that the bailouts, the stimulus and other extraordinary actions saved America from nothing less than another Great Depression. Blinder was vice chairman of the Federal Reserve. Zandi is chief economist at Moody's Analytics and advised Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Had Washington not taken any aggressive steps starting in 2008, the results would have been horrific, their study says. Real gross domestic product would have fallen a "stunning" 12 percent, rather than the actual decline of 4 percent. Nearly 17 million jobs would have vanished, twice as many as the real count. And the unemployment rate would have peaked at 16.5 percent.

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Ignoring what might have happened had the government not launched a vigorous response may be irresponsible, but it can be good politics. That's because many Americans — seeing the weak job picture and forgetting their own terror during the early days of the economic freefall - can be convinced that such polices were ineffective and possibly counterproductive.

They remind me of family members who, four weeks after a quadruple bypass, want to know why Grandpa isn't dancing. At least the family knows that the operation was needed.

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#3. To: lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

Alan Blinder

WOW! What News! A well known Keynesian moron and is neo-con pal think government spending is helpful. What will we learn next?

The Japanese bailed their banks out in the early 1990s. They've now spent the better part of 2 decades in a rolling recession.

The bank bailouts did one thing -- they prevent capital and talent from being freed up for more productive uses.

Yes, without the bailouts and the "stimulus" there may have been a little more SHORT TERM pain, but we'd be well on the road to recovery at this point.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   9:50:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#3)

The bank bailouts did one thing -- they prevent capital and talent from being freed up for more productive uses.

Hording seems to be what is preventing money from productive use at the moment.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:15:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lucysmom (#7) (Edited)

Hording

I can always tell a brain dead, no nothing leftist from the words they use. "Hording" is the #1 tip off. "Greed" is #2.

What is preventing money from being put to more productive uses at this movement is the looming increase in capital gains taxes, income taxes, health insurance mandates, regulations, and the uncertainly around cap and trade.

Why should a business RISK their money to build a new facility or hire new people when the government is going to steal most of the potential benefit away? WHY?

They shouldn't and they aren't.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   10:25:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jwpegler (#9)

What is preventing money from being put to more productive uses at this movement is the looming increase in capital gains taxes, income taxes, health insurance mandates, regulations, and the uncertainly around cap and trade.

Why should a business RISK their money to build a new facility or hire new people when they government is going to steal most of the potential benefit away? WHY?

Because doing nothing gets nothing in return.

Why is it that the Scandinavian seem to be doing pretty well at the moment - sky high tax rates and all.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:33:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lucysmom (#12)

Why is it that the Scandinavian seem to be doing pretty well at the moment - sky high tax rates and all.

ROTFLMAO.

Corporate tax rates:

United States:39.6%
Sweden:28%
Denmark:27%
Norway:27%
Finland:26%

You need you pull your head out of your 1960s text books and join the real world.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   10:40:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: jwpegler (#15)

Corporate tax rates:

The 39% tax rate applies to business with profits between $100,000 to $335,000. Earn less, the rate is lower and oddly enough, earn more and the rate is lower.

Business income tax rates start at 15% for those with $50,000 or less in profits.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   11:18:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#26)

One more point. I haven't added in state business taxes on top of the 39% federal rate. Most other countries don't have federalist systems like we do, so most of their taxing power (at least on incomes) is at the central government level.

Add in state business taxes, in places like California and New Jersey, and the U.S. places BY FAR the heaviest burdens on corporations in the world.

Furthermore, the U.S. is one of only FIVE countries in the world that tax earnings repatriated from abroad. So, companies generally don't bring the money they earn overseas back home to invest here.

Last week the Intel CEO said that 25% of the cost of a building a new $4 billion fab are government burdens that don't exist elsewhere. So why in the hell should he build a new plant in the U.S., rather than in Taiwan, or China? He shouldn't and he's not.

Then we wonder why the economy stinks. I'll let you in on a little secret. It's not a surprise to anyone who has any experience in business.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   11:46:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: jwpegler (#31)

So why in the hell should he build a new plant in the U.S., rather than in Taiwan, or China? He shouldn't and he's not.

He can pay his Chinese workers $0.60 an hour, that might have something to do with it.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   20:49:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: lucysmom (#95)

He can pay his Chinese workers $0.60 an hour, that might have something to do with it.

You are a stubborn old coot because you refuse to listen to the people (like the Intel CEO) who actually know why the economy is languishing.

It cost Intel $1 billion more (due to various government tax and regulatory insanities) to build (not operate, but BUILD) a fab in the U.S. than it does elsewhere (and not just in China, but in Taiwan too).

Insofar as operational costs are concerned, the people in Taiwan do not make 60 cents an hour. Skilled workers in China make more than that too.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   21:15:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#103. To: jwpegler (#97)

You are a stubborn old coot ...

Why thank you. That sounds almost friendly.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04 22:32:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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