[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Freepers Still Love war

Parody ... Jump / Trump --- van Halen jump

"The Democrat Meltdown Continues"

"Yes, We Need Deportations Without Due Process"

"Trump's Tariff Play Smart, Strategic, Working"

"Leftists Make Desperate Attempt to Discredit Photo of Abrego Garcia's MS-13 Tattoos. Here Are Receipts"

"Trump Administration Freezes $2 Billion After Harvard Refuses to Meet Demands"on After Harvard Refuses to Meet Demands

"Doctors Committing Insurance Fraud to Conceal Trans Procedures, Texas Children’s Whistleblower Testifies"

"Left Using '8647' Symbol for Violence Against Trump, Musk"

KawasakiÂ’s new rideable robohorse is straight out of a sci-fi novel

"Trade should work for America, not rule it"

"The Stakes Couldn’t Be Higher in Wisconsin’s Supreme Court Race – What’s at Risk for the GOP"

"How Trump caught big-government fans in their own trap"

‘Are You Prepared for Violence?’

Greek Orthodox Archbishop gives President Trump a Cross, tells him "Make America Invincible"

"Trump signs executive order eliminating the Department of Education!!!"

"If AOC Is the Democratic Future, the Party Is Even Worse Off Than We Think"

"Ending EPA Overreach"

Closest Look Ever at How Pyramids Were Built

Moment the SpaceX crew Meets Stranded ISS Crew

The Exodus Pharaoh EXPLAINED!

Did the Israelites Really Cross the Red Sea? Stunning Evidence of the Location of Red Sea Crossing!

Are we experiencing a Triumph of Orthodoxy?

Judge Napolitano with Konstantin Malofeev (Moscow, Russia)

"Trump Administration Cancels Most USAID Programs, Folds Others into State Department"

Introducing Manus: The General AI Agent

"Chinese Spies in Our Military? Straight to Jail"

Any suggestion that the USA and NATO are "Helping" or have ever helped Ukraine needs to be shot down instantly

"Real problem with the Palestinians: Nobody wants them"

ACDC & The Rolling Stones - Rock Me Baby

Magnus Carlsen gives a London System lesson!

"The Democrats Are Suffering Through a Drought of Generational Talent"

7 Tactics Of The Enemy To Weaken Your Faith

Strange And Biblical Events Are Happening

Every year ... BusiesT casino gambling day -- in Las Vegas

Trump’s DOGE Plan Is Legally Untouchable—Elon Musk Holds the Scalpel

Palestinians: What do you think of the Trump plan for Gaza?

What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked

Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225

EXPOSED: The Dark Truth About the Hostages in Gaza

New Task Force Ready To Expose Dark Secrets

Egypt Amasses Forces on Israel’s Southern Border | World War 3 About to Start?

"Trump wants to dismantle the Education Department. Here’s how it would work"

test

"Federal Workers Concerned That Returning To Office Will Interfere With Them Not Working"

"Yes, the Democrats Have a Governing Problem – They Blame America First, Then Govern Accordingly"

"Trump and His New Frenemies, Abroad and at Home"

"The Left’s Sin Is of Omission and Lost Opportunity"

"How Trump’s team will break down the woke bureaucracy"

Pete Hegseth will be confirmed in a few minutes


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Economy
See other Economy Articles

Title: It's official: Analysis says bailouts saved economy
Source: chron
URL Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7160768.html
Published: Sep 4, 2010
Author: FROMA HARROP
Post Date: 2010-09-04 04:03:22 by lucysmom
Keywords: bailout, economy, unemployment
Views: 139840
Comments: 163

Using econometric models, Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi argue that the bailouts, the stimulus and other extraordinary actions saved America from nothing less than another Great Depression. Blinder was vice chairman of the Federal Reserve. Zandi is chief economist at Moody's Analytics and advised Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Had Washington not taken any aggressive steps starting in 2008, the results would have been horrific, their study says. Real gross domestic product would have fallen a "stunning" 12 percent, rather than the actual decline of 4 percent. Nearly 17 million jobs would have vanished, twice as many as the real count. And the unemployment rate would have peaked at 16.5 percent.

...

Ignoring what might have happened had the government not launched a vigorous response may be irresponsible, but it can be good politics. That's because many Americans — seeing the weak job picture and forgetting their own terror during the early days of the economic freefall - can be convinced that such polices were ineffective and possibly counterproductive.

They remind me of family members who, four weeks after a quadruple bypass, want to know why Grandpa isn't dancing. At least the family knows that the operation was needed.

Click for Full Text!

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 36.

#3. To: lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

Alan Blinder

WOW! What News! A well known Keynesian moron and is neo-con pal think government spending is helpful. What will we learn next?

The Japanese bailed their banks out in the early 1990s. They've now spent the better part of 2 decades in a rolling recession.

The bank bailouts did one thing -- they prevent capital and talent from being freed up for more productive uses.

Yes, without the bailouts and the "stimulus" there may have been a little more SHORT TERM pain, but we'd be well on the road to recovery at this point.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   9:50:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#3)

The bank bailouts did one thing -- they prevent capital and talent from being freed up for more productive uses.

Hording seems to be what is preventing money from productive use at the moment.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:15:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lucysmom (#7) (Edited)

Hording

I can always tell a brain dead, no nothing leftist from the words they use. "Hording" is the #1 tip off. "Greed" is #2.

What is preventing money from being put to more productive uses at this movement is the looming increase in capital gains taxes, income taxes, health insurance mandates, regulations, and the uncertainly around cap and trade.

Why should a business RISK their money to build a new facility or hire new people when the government is going to steal most of the potential benefit away? WHY?

They shouldn't and they aren't.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   10:25:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jwpegler (#9)

What is preventing money from being put to more productive uses at this movement is the looming increase in capital gains taxes, income taxes, health insurance mandates, regulations, and the uncertainly around cap and trade.

Why should a business RISK their money to build a new facility or hire new people when they government is going to steal most of the potential benefit away? WHY?

Because doing nothing gets nothing in return.

Why is it that the Scandinavian seem to be doing pretty well at the moment - sky high tax rates and all.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:33:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lucysmom (#12)

Why is it that the Scandinavian seem to be doing pretty well at the moment - sky high tax rates and all.

ROTFLMAO.

Corporate tax rates:

United States:39.6%
Sweden:28%
Denmark:27%
Norway:27%
Finland:26%

You need you pull your head out of your 1960s text books and join the real world.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   10:40:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: jwpegler (#15)

Corporate tax rates:

The 39% tax rate applies to business with profits between $100,000 to $335,000. Earn less, the rate is lower and oddly enough, earn more and the rate is lower.

Business income tax rates start at 15% for those with $50,000 or less in profits.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   11:18:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lucysmom (#26) (Edited)

Business income tax rates start at 15% for those with $50,000 or less in profits.

Well DUH!

LOL.

Along with Japan, the United States has the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Then we wonder why businesses aren't hiring or expanding.

Supply-side economics in "socialist" Sweden:

Sweden Announces Income Tax Cuts to Boost Jobs

Last week the government announced a separate 16 billion kronor (US$2.4 billion) package aimed at improving the business climate, which would in turn help increase employment. That package included proposals to cut the corporate tax rate from 28% to 26.3%...

ROTFLMAO.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   11:34:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: jwpegler (#28)

Along with Japan, the United States has the highest corporate tax rates in the world.

Oh yea?

war  posted on  2010-09-04   11:53:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#33) (Edited)

People who don't know anything about finances often confuse marginal tax rates and average taxes paid. You claim to be a Wall Street Vice President and you don't know this. I don't think so. School teacher is more likely.

The marginal tax RATE is the percentage of of earnings that one would pay on the last dollar earned. It is an undisputed fact, that the U.S and Japan have the highest corporate tax rates in the world.

Earnings are sales minus expenses. Earnings can be positive (a profit) or negative (a loss). A company might have sales of $1 million but expenses of $1.2 million so they have a loss and don't pay any income taxes.

The government's tax system is more complicated than this and features a complex set of ways to reduce taxable earnings. Some corporations might have positive earnings but still pay few taxes because of the dedications. The tax treatment is very uneven across industries. Almost every conservative would trade these deductions for lower margin rates.

Many large corporations have offices in more than one country. Of course, they are going to take advantage of every government rule in every country to shift their earnings away from high tax countries to low tax countries.

All the complex rules force businesses to spend an extraordinary amount of money just to figure out what there taxes are.

The system is broken. The economy is evidence of it.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   12:17:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 36.

#39. To: jwpegler (#36)

People who don't know anything about finances often confuse marginal tax rates and average taxes paid. You claim to be a Wall Street Vice President and you don't know this. I don't think so. School teacher is more likely.

Chuckles...it's an argument I've made for years but I've made it correctly. NOONE pays marginal rates. For you to argue that our tax rates are the highest is a highly misleading argument which, as I can tell by your howling, you realize you can't put over on me.

The fact is, it's the government making the rules that ALLOW corporations to easily avoid paying taxes. The "extraordinary amount of money" that is paid is not to accountants but to politicians.

ExxonMobil paid how much in US taxes last year?

war  posted on  2010-09-04 12:30:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 36.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com