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Title: 55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama?
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URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/campa ... socialist-accurate-label-obama
Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Jim Geraghty
Post Date: 2010-07-09 10:41:30 by Badeye
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55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama?
July 09, 2010 9:13 AM By Jim Geraghty The latest poll by Democracy Corps, the firm of James Carville and Stan Greenberg, has Republicans leading on the generic ballot among likely voters, 48 percent to 42 percent.
Deep in the poll, they ask, “Now, I am going to read you a list of words and phrases which people use to describe political figures. For each word or phrase, please tell me whether it describes Barack Obama very well, well, not too well, or not well at all.”
On “too liberal,” 35 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 21 percent say “well,” 21 percent say “not too well,” and 17 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 56 percent of likely voters consider Obama too liberal.
When asked about “a socialist,” 33 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 22 percent say “well,” 15 percent say “not too well,” and 25 percent say “not well at all.”
In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama.
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#41. To: no gnu taxes (#38) (Edited)
Nope.
The Socialist model is exactly this. The State would claim that the ownership of the resources is in the people and would determine what share of the profits gleaned from the development of those minerals the people would be entitlted to.
The oil companies extract according to their abilities and the society benefits according to its needs. It does not get any more Marxist than that.
Returning the dividends to the people for them to spend as they see fit...It's the people's money.
WOW...what a GOOD little Marxist you are.
#42. To: lucysmom, no gnu taxes, badeye (#37)
no gnu taxesRepublicans in the state legislature have all signed a pledge, "no gnu taxes". It takes a 2/3 majority vote to pass a budget in California and that's why the budget is perpetually late, not balanced, and state workers are issued IOUs.
State governments have basically three options - raise taxes, cut spending, or a combination of both. (In addition to these, the fedgov has four - the forth being to print money)
Question: In your world, is cutting spending EVER justified?
Or would you be in favor of just cutting out the middleman by having ALL wealth go to the state, and the state doling out a pittance to us?
If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.
#43. To: Ignore Amos (#42)
Question: In your world, is cutting spending EVER justified?
Where would you cut spending?
Or would you be in favor of just cutting out the middleman by having ALL wealth go to the state, and the state doling out a pittance to us?
Check out what prop 13 did for commercial property taxes
Goldberg calculates that Disneyland, which hasn't had a reportable change of ownership since, well, forever, is currently taxed at an average of about a nickel per square foot. For comparison, a median California home bought last year out of foreclosure, measuring 1,600 square feet and selling for about $330,000 (these are averages from the California Assn. of Realtors), would incur property tax of about $3,300 per year, or $2.06 per square foot.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/13/business/fi-hiltzik13
#44. To: war (#41)
There is no "need" qualification for the issuance of the dividends.
#45. To: no gnu taxes (#44)
There is no "need" qualification for the issuance of the dividends.
The need to survive is predicated upon money.
#46. To: war (#41)
And the money distributed to citizens of the State comes solely from the sale of the States natural resources, which the citizens own. It is nothing more than dividends on stock performance.
#47. To: no gnu taxes (#46)
And the money distributed to citizens of the State comes solely from the sale of the States natural resources, which the citizens own.
Thanks, Karl, got it the first time.
#48. To: lucysmom (#43)
That would be a 'no' huh? (laughing)
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#49. To: lucysmom (#43) (Edited)
Where would you cut spending?
There are no easy answers, of course. I work for an organization (not a gov't entity) and, without getting too specific - it has been faced with some tough choices due to the crappy economy.
We found out - just recently - that every staff employee will be getting between a 5 and 8 percent pay cut.
Tough choices, indeed. But the way I look at it - it beats layoffs (which so far they have not had to do.)
So - cutting personnel costs is always an option - albeit not an easy one.
And aren't these people (legislators) elected to make tough choices.
Check out what prop 13 did for commercial property taxesNot being a Californian, I only have a vague idea of what Prop. 13 is/was. What you posted certainly points out a problem. No law is ever perfect, however. Unintended consequences always occur.
Can it not be fixed?
If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.
#50. To: Badeye (#48)
That would be a 'no' huh? (laughing)
I'm thinking the "no gnu tax" guys should take a pay cut.
#51. To: lucysmom (#50)
I'm thinking the "no gnu tax" guys should take a pay cut.
What would expect to accomplish by taxing gnus?
#52. To: Ignore Amos (#49)
So - cutting personnel costs is always an option - albeit not an easy one.
Been there done that, the court gave it the thumbs up.
Not being a Californian, I only have a vague idea of what Prop. 13 is/was. What you posted certainly points out a problem. No law is ever perfect, however. Unintended consequences always occur.
Last year I paid less than $2,000 property taxes on what then had a market value of $2+ million.
The unintended consequences of prop 13 are pretty significant and far reaching.
#53. To: Ignore Amos (#49)
Can it not be fixed?
It has become the third rail in California politics. The low, low tax base can be passed from one generation to the next. Its one of those things that just about everyone recognizes needs to be changed but no one has the guts to try.
#54. To: lucysmom (#53)
Warren Buffet called for an increase in property taxes in CA. He said that the taxes that he paid on his multi-million dollar Malibu home were less than his not even $1MM home in NE.
#55. To: lucysmom (#53)
It has become the third rail in California politics
There are too many "third rails" - that is the problem.
I suppose the only solution is default or bankruptcy. Unfortunately, the fedgov will probably end up bailing out the states - which will just shift (not solve) the problem.
What do we do when the fedgov goes bankrupt?
If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.
#56. To: war (#54)
I remember that. Arnold sentenced him to do push-ups and I don't think Arnold called on him again.
#57. To: Ignore Amos (#55)
It has become the third rail in California politics There are too many "third rails" - that is the problem.
Christie is disproving this notion in New Jersey.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#58. To: Badeye (#57)
Christie is disproving this notion in New Jersey.
True enough.
Let's see if he prevails against the usual suspects - i.e. gov't employee unions, teachers, and various deadbeats - and doesn't get run out of town.
If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.
#59. To: Ignore Amos (#58)
So far the voters seem to be backing him, last poll related to the teachers union showed they took a huge hit after taking Christie on.
Personally, I think the guy is great. He's not going to be intimidated by these punks.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#60. To: Ignore Amos (#55)
There are too many "third rails" - that is the problem.
This one is a Republican third rail
Prior to 1978, local governments in California (as elsewhere in the nation) could set their own property tax rates and spend the money that they raised on local needs.
But the Republicans did not trust local governments or local voters with the power to tax local property or to spend that revenue as they thought appropriate.
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Prop 13 took away the cities' power to set property tax rates or levy property taxes, and gave all such power to the state -- where it would be subject to Prop 13’s strict limits and the 2/3 rule – in other words, subject to the statewide anti-tax minority’s veto, regardless of the wishes or needs of local officials or voters.
http://open.salon.com/blog/micha...ver_the_effect_of_prop_13
#61. To: lucysmom (#60)
This one is a Republican third rail
Why bring partisanship into it? Are you interested in solving problems, or just promoting a partisan agenda?
If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.
#62. To: Ignore Amos (#61)
or just promoting a partisan agenda?
Ya think? lmao
Not to mention going back 32 years, into the previous century...
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#63. To: Ignore Amos (#61)
Why bring partisanship into it? Are you interested in solving problems, or just promoting a partisan agenda?
Because this is an issue that has been driven by California Republicans specifically and Republicans in general. The California Republican party is not interested in solving the problem, they are looking for ideologically pure (according to the dictates of Grover Norquist) candidates, not problem solvers.
#64. To: Badeye (#62)
Not to mention going back 32 years, into the previous century...
Again proving that you don't know what you're talking about.
#65. To: lucysmom (#63) (Edited)
If we're ever going to solve any problems, we're going to have to get past the republicans/bad - democrats/good BS. Just sayin'
Besides, I can tell you that republicans aren't the problem. Here in New York, we've run all the republicans out.
And we're in just as deep sh*t as California.
If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.
#66. To: Ignore Amos (#65)
Here in New York, we've run all the republicans out.
As one who has been here 25 years, they did a good job of eating themselves.
#67. To: Ignore Amos (#65)
And we're in just as deep sh*t as California.
The funny thing is, Patterson has long been proposing the same draconian measures that Christie ran on in NJ. And while Christie is going to out on his ass in 3 years, Patterson will be out in a few months.
#68. To: lucysmom (#64)
Not to mention going back 32 years, into the previous century... Again proving that you don't know what you're talking about.
I did the math, perhaps you can't?
Sheesh. You cited something from 32 years ago. Reread your own post, use a calculator.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#69. To: Ignore Amos (#65)
If we're ever going to solve any problems, we're going to have to get past the republicans/bad - democrats/good BS. Just sayin'Besides, I can tell you that republicans aren't the problem. Here in New York, we've run all the republicans out.
And we're in just as deep sh*t as California.
ding! ding! Ding! We have a winner!
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#70. To: war (#67)
The funny thing is, Patterson has long been proposing the same draconian measures that Christie ran on in NJ. And while Christie is going to out on his ass in 3 years, Patterson will be out in a few months.
You're making my case which is this: elections aren't going to cure what ails us.
Who's going to ride in on a white horse and "fix" New York? Cuomo?
LMAO
If I could, I would.
But I can't, so I won't.
#71. To: Ignore Amos (#70)
He said the same thing about Bush in 04.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#72. To: Ignore Amos (#70)
I'll do what I always do...vote Libertarian or Marijuana Reform, if they run a candidate.
#73. To: Badeye (#68)
Sheesh. You cited something from 32 years ago.
Yes, and its been down hill since then.
#74. To: lucysmom (#73)
Dumbass.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
#75. To: Badeye (#74)
Dumbass.
Really? Think about it.
Prop13 took local control of schools and property tax rates and gave it to the state. Removing schools from local control has given more power to the dreaded teacher's union.
The budget is always late getting passed due to the super majority requirement. (Politicians get to collect extra money from the state taxpayers while they hang around not passing a budget)
Small contractors have gone belly up, or have had to get loans (pay interest), or both waiting for a budget to pass so they can get paid for work/services already provided.
Prop13 has shifted the bulk of the property tax burden away from commercial property and those who have held onto their property either by occupying it themselves or passing on their property and tax base to their heirs, to first time buyers who pay through the nose.
Affordable housing close to work is nonexistent, which means people have absurdly long commutes which means higher fuel consumption, more air pollution, more roads to build and maintain, and less time for family.
#76. To: lucysmom (#75) (Edited)
At the time there seemed no simple solution as property taxes were doubling or even tripling about every two years due to skyrocketing property values mostly due to Japanese foreign investors (at least in my area).
County assessors were literally running amok in their ability to rake in the dough so to speak and none of the counties seemed intersted in changing their assessment rates or methods without a court fight. And they were making examples of owners unable to pay the taxes by seizing thousands of properties for tax liens.
I know when my mother went to the county to complain about their doubled property tax then the assessor literally said she could sell it and he knew of plenty of buyers that would buy it. Three teams of Japanese investors came by within days to inquire.
Everyone in my family would have eventually lost their properties under the old tax methods, as wages and prices weren't keeping up with the exploding property values. That would have definitely led to either most of the state being owned by foreign investors with most of the natives either renting or otherwise being displaced.
"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)
#77. To: war (#72)
I'll do what I always do...vote Libertarian or Marijuana Reform, if they run a candidate.
"Liberatian"?? But you defend 0bama and his Marxist, fascist, un-constitutional policies at every turn in the meantime.
Kinda of hypocritical, but I guess you're just being true to your self.
#78. To: Badeye (#74)
Dumbass.
LOL....
#79. To: mininggold (#76)
At the time there seemed no simple solution...
I remember the arguments well, and the Japanese investors (one bought my grandfather's house). We also had Chinese investors anticipating the end of the British lease on Hong Kong.
Sometimes the solution to one problem creates more problems, now it looks like the state's circling the drain.
#80. To: lucysmom (#75)
Dumbass. Really? Think about it.
Reread what you said about my noting you were citing something from 32 years ago.
Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.
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