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Title: Presidential Scholars: Bush Is The Worst President Of The Modern Era, Bottom Five Of All Time
Source: THINKPROGRESS
URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/
Published: Jul 1, 2010
Author: Alex Seitz-Wald
Post Date: 2010-07-01 12:49:51 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 145561
Comments: 152

Since 1982, the Siena Research Institute has polled presidential scholars on whom they view to be best and worst presidents in American history, based on a variety of issues from “integrity” to economic stewardship. This year’s poll of 238 scholars found that President Franklin Roosevelt was once again ranked on top, joined by Presidents Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, and Teddy Roosevelt to complete the top five. However, President George W. Bush did not fare well since the last poll was conducted in 2002. He dropped 16 places to 39th, making him the worst president since Warren Harding died in office in 1923, and one of the bottom five of all time, according to the experts:

Today, just one year after leaving office, the former president has
found himself in the bottom five at 39th rated especially poorly in handling the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence. Rounding out the bottom five are four presidents that have held that dubious distinction each time the survey has been conducted: Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Franklin Pierce.

Bush was rated second from the bottom on “intelligence,” “foreign policy
accomplishments,” and “handling of U.S. economy.” This despite promises from Bush supporters that “history will be very kind” to the former president, as his Attorney General John Ashcroft put it. Bush’s father’s legacy “held constant” in this year’s poll, with George H.W. Bush coming in at 22nd. President Reagan “dropped two places from 16th overall in 2002 to 18th today.” President Obama was ranked 15th. (HT: Taegan Goddard)

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#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Rounding out the bottom five are four presidents that have held that dubious distinction each time the survey has been conducted: Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Franklin Pierce.

Ok,any bottom five that doesn't have Jim-Mah Cawtur as tied for first place in the worse category with Boy Jorge is pure BullBarrack. They are obviously partisan and biased.

Of course,ANY list that has Lincoln and King Franklin in the top 5 is a fascist list to start with.

Not to mention LBJ. Hell,LBJ should probably hold the top (bottom?) spot with Jim- Mah and Boy Jorge in a dead heat for second place.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-01   14:44:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#2)

Of course,ANY list that has Lincoln and King Franklin in the top 5 is a fascist list to start with.

If that were true, then American Fascists never would have plotted a coup to against FDR.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-05   21:43:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#16)

If that were true, then American Fascists never would have plotted a coup to against FDR.

Get thee into rehab. Nobody plotted or enacted a coup against King Franklin. The SOB had to die in office to get rid of him.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-05   22:12:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#18)

Nobody plotted or enacted a coup against King Franklin.

The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hist...t/document_20070723.shtml

lucysmom  posted on  2010-07-05   22:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#19)

The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Are you freaking kidding me??????

That's what King Franklin did! The SOB was the biggest fascist of all time.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-05   22:30:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#20)

That's what King Franklin did! The SOB was the biggest fascist of all time.

Uh...no...

FDR was on the wrong side of the political spectrum to be a Fascist and American Fascists considered him an enemy.

war  posted on  2010-07-06   8:24:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#26)

FDR was on the wrong side of the political spectrum to be a Fascist

BullBarrack! One of the biggest lies ever told is that fascists are right- wingers. They are lefties to their evil core.

and American Fascists considered him an enemy.

Once again,BullBarrack. American LEFTISTS that supported the Nazi version of fascism (you know,National Socialists) considered communists an enemy because the commies were competing for power with them. It was all about who sits on the throne,not which political system. Both were police states that gave the states all the power and the serfs no freedoms.

BTW,nobody heard a whisper of criticism from the American Nazis about the communists or from the American communists about the Nazi's back when they were allies. The brotherhood mould only broke after the Nazi's invaded Russia.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-06   18:48:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#28) (Edited)

One of the biggest lies ever told is that fascists are right- wingers.

You're just plain wrong.

Communism - or most leftist/liberal philosophy - is inherently multi-cultural. The myth that you are promoting gets slayed right there.

war  posted on  2010-07-07   8:03:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: war (#31)

You're just plain wrong. It is inherently a police state with a ruling elite and serfs to serve them.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-07   9:16:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#34)

It is inherently a police state with a ruling elite and serfs to serve them.

You've just described functional fascism, sneaky.

war  posted on  2010-07-07   9:36:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#35)

It is inherently a police state with a ruling elite and serfs to serve them.

You've just described functional fascism, sneaky.

Yes,I know. That was my intention.

I also described communism.

A fascist is nothing more than a communist that has evolved.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-07   22:17:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: sneakypete (#36)

I also described communism.

Nothing that Marx ever wrote about regarding functional Marxism.

You have described authoratarianism in broad terms but have failed to distinguish it in any specific sense.

war  posted on  2010-07-08   8:02:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#37)

I also described communism.

Nothing that Marx ever wrote about regarding functional Marxism.

Oh,BullBarrack! You are just defending your leftism. You are smart enough to know that Marx wasn't the only communist. Hell,he didn't even invent any of the concepts. He just formalized them in a book and became a figurehead.

You have described authoratarianism in broad terms but have failed to distinguish it in any specific sense.

In other words,you want to know how many commies can dance on the head of a pin,and then you want their individual names?

Play dodge ball much?

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   9:36:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#38) (Edited)

Oh,BullBarrack!

Book and chapter please.

In other words,you want to know how many commies can dance on the head of a pin,and then you want their individual names?

No one is arguing that authoratarianism does not or can not exist on both sides of the political spectrum.

war  posted on  2010-07-08   9:40:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#39)

Book and chapter please.

Why waste my time writing and giving references that you already know and refuse to accept. Communism BY DEFINITION is against human nature,and the only way it can exist as a political and ruling system is by force of the police state.

Pulling the mask off communism is the same to you as stripping away your mother's clothing. It is unacceptable.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   9:47:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: sneakypete (#40)

Communism BY DEFINITION is against human nature

So is a constitutional republic.

war  posted on  2010-07-08   9:55:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: war (#41)

Communism BY DEFINITION is against human nature So is a constitutional republic.

Only in "War World" and other communist enclaves.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   10:18:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete (#42)

Read Hobbes' State of Nature....

Leviathan (1651) was clearly Hobbes's masterpiece. Man is not naturally good, Hobbes claimed, but naturally a selfish hedonist -- "of the voluntary acts of every man, the object is some good to himself". As human motives were, in their natural state, guided by unenlightened self-interest, these could, if left unchecked, have highly destructive consequences. Left unrestrained, humans, propelled by their internal dynamics, would crash against each other. Hobbes tried to envision what society would be like in a "state of nature" -- before any civil state or rule of law. His conclusion was despiriting: life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short", a "war of every man against every man".

Nonetheless, as all people are equal (in a physical not a moral sense), possessing a passionate love of survival (right of nature) and some degree of rationality (law of nature), Hobbes concluded that a viable, working society would arise as an equilibrium between these competing forces. The logic is simple. Any person's right of nature justifies violence against everybody else. Consequently, in the interests of personal survival, people will come around to agreeing that they should renounce their right to use violence. However, this yields up a tense and unstable equilibrium. The moment one party deviates from their promise, all will deviate and war restarts.

To keep society going with peace and confidence, then an artifice -- a Leviathan -- must be worked into the social contract. This Leviathan is the State -- whether in the form of an absolute monarch or a democratic parliament, it does not matter. The important point is that the State will be given a monopoly on violence and absolute authority. In return, the State promises to exercise its absolute power to maintain a state of peace (by punishing deviants, etc.) Realizing that its power depends wholly on the willingness of the citizenry to surrender theirs, the State itself will have an incentive not to abuse it. Of course, there is no guarantee that it won't. But when it does, it must brace itself for the consequences.

One of the interesting elements of Hobbes's story is that concepts like morality, liberty, justice, property, etc. have no natural, intrinsic or eternal meaning. They are pure social constructions. They are generated and imposed by the Leviathan, through his laws and institutions, to keep war and social disorder at bay. As history has shown, no set of values will last forever but will evolve as circumstances change.

war  posted on  2010-07-08   10:36:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#43)

One of the interesting elements of Hobbes's story is that concepts like morality, liberty, justice, property, etc. have no natural, intrinsic or eternal meaning. They are pure social constructions.

He's wrong.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-07-08   21:03:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#44) (Edited)

He's wrong.

No he's not. He'd dead on. Morality is first and foremost a Social Construct. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   7:53:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#45)

You're crazy aren't you. Fucking insane.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-09   8:00:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#46)

Let's stipulate to the truth of Genesis. When Eve, faced with the decision between "right" and "wrong", what decision did she make?

When Cain, confronted with his murder, what decision did he make?

These are illustrations of the 1st and 6th commandments.

Why were the Ten Commandments even necessary?

MORALITY is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:27:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#50)

www.thefreedictionary.com/change

CHANGE

1. The act, process, or result of altering or modifying

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:32:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#52) (Edited)

I'll give you nine more...and then ten next week and each week thereafter and after a year maybe you'll be able to have an intelligent conversation.

How long are you going to dwell on this, Dancing Nancy? I capitulated to the prevailing double standard here. Frankly, it's really none of your business You're just an asshole poster here.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:38:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#54)

How long are you going to dwell on this, Dancing Nancy?

Forever.

Each time you deny you changed that article, leaves you open to ridicule, and that I can't resist :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:48:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

leaves you open to ridicule

You have a lower threshold than I do. Nothing you've done comes close to ridicule, Cheetah [snicker]...

war  posted on  2010-07-09   8:55:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: The Tool (#57)

You have a lower threshold than I do

I'm afraid not Tool. When one openly lies like yourself, and continues to lie, they've hit bottom.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   8:59:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#59) (Edited)

You can repeat that lie ad infinitum.

And you're hardly one to be casting stones...

Somewhere there's a discussion of the 10 Commandments...how do you feel about the 7th?

war  posted on  2010-07-09   9:10:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Tool (#60)

Somewhere there's a discussion of the 10 Commandments...how do you feel about the 7th?

hahahahahaha :P

I LOVE the 7th!!!

I haven't paid attention to them since they were beat them out of me at St Thomas, many years ago.

Where does your lying fit, Tool?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   9:46:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

Your premise is faulty. I don't lie.

How about you and the 7th?

war  posted on  2010-07-09   9:47:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: war (#63)

I don't lie.

Yeah, you do lie, and yes, I love women. My bad. You should try it some time Twinkle Toes:P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-09   10:17:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#64) (Edited)

So which is worse...adding "obese" into an article to accurately describe the fat fuck of a New Jersey governor or popping your co-moderator behind your wife's back - a wife to whom you promised to forsake all others?

Which is worse?

war  posted on  2010-07-09   10:21:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: war (#66)

So which is worse...adding "obese" into an article to accurately describe the fat fuck of a New Jersey governor or popping your co-moderator behind your wife's back - a wife to whom you promised to forsake all others?

Just too funny. It brings a whole new meaning to 4um's mission statement. I bet he gets Stone to take your comment down, he's such a pussy. Might even demand you apologize too.

He's quite regal you know.

mininggold  posted on  2010-07-09   14:32:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: mininggold (#70)

Just too funny. It brings a whole new meaning to 4um's mission statement.

It all makes more sense now. lol

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-09   15:18:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Fred Mertz (#73)

What is the mission statement? That site is blocked here.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   15:19:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: war (#74)

I guess if you're in with the in-crowd you won't get banned.

The mission of this forum is to provide a cyberspace meeting place where lovers of individual freedom can gather to post articles and opinions about the world's events and how these events affect their unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property.

One of our fundamental rights is that of our right to freedom of association. The correlative right to freedom of association is the equally important right to freedom of non-association. Yes, the right to NOT associate -- to exclude people from our interrelationships, for any reason, based on personal preference, is also a fundamental right. This right should be free from government interference, coercion, policies, statutes, rules, regulations, codes, or force.

Another fundamental right is the right to private property -- to own and enjoy our property free from government or second-party interference, as long as one's use of that property does not trespass on the equal rights of another.

Consistent with these two fundamental unalienable rights, this forum constitutes the private property of its owners and, as such, allows for the exercise of our right to freedom of association and freedom of non-association, based on our preferences. Therefore, regarding banning policies of this forum, as they relate to the protection of private property, the owners reserve the right to suspend or terminate the posting privileges of guests on this forum at our discretion.

That said, we will endeavor to use this discretion judiciously while being mindful of not allowing guests to post on this forum who, we believe, are detrimental to the goals and values consistent with that of individual liberty.

Thank you

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-09   15:25:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Fred Mertz (#76)

That said, we will endeavor to use this discretion judiciously

Given how sensitive Tull is to his staion as Resident Asshole, the above should be modified.

war  posted on  2010-07-09   15:26:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#79. To: war (#77)

Where did Tull go? He seemed to be having such fun this morning here.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-07-09 15:28:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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