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Title: Where's the Navy?
Source: The American Thinker
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/wheres_the_navy.html
Published: Jun 21, 2010
Author: Lee DeCovnick
Post Date: 2010-06-21 11:53:41 by Badeye
Keywords: None
Views: 24915
Comments: 45

Where's the Navy? Lee DeCovnick

The Arthur Conan Doyle story, " The Adventure of Silver Blaze" has a famous verbal exchange between Sherlock Holmes and Inspector Gregory, the Scotland Yard detective.

Inspector Gregory: "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"

Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."

Gregory: "The dog did nothing in the night-time."

Holmes: "That was the curious incident."

The Deepwater Horizon explosion, fire, and pipeline rupture also has a "curious incident" where "the dog did nothing."

There is one organization that has more extensive deep ocean, industrial scale marine engineering expertise than any other on the planet, the United States Navy. Currently the U.S. Navy is a virtual non-participant in the operational execution of stopping the oil leak. Oh yes, the Navy is doing a bang up job using aircraft to trace the spill, planting a few sea bed cameras, and supplying oil booms but in reality BP engineers with the "welcome assistance" of Homeland Security are taking the unsuccessful lead in stopping the oil flow.

From navy.mil we read:

SUPSALV has been the Navy's oil pollution experts since the 1970s, as required by the Federal Water Pollution Control Act. They provide technical, operational, and emergency support to the Navy, Department of Defense and other federal agencies in the ocean engineering disciplines of marine salvage, pollution abatement, diving, diving system certification, and underwater ship husbandry.

Naval Sea Systems Command's (NAVSEA) Supervisor of Salvage and Diving (SUPSALV) has positioned equipment and personnel from Texas to Florida to support the oil spill response efforts led by the U.S. Coast Guard and the Department of Homeland Security.

But the Three Stooges-like effort has continued to be poorly managed by the Coast Guard and Homeland Security. (In March 2003 the Coast Guard was formally transferred from the Department of Transportation to the newly created Department of Homeland Security.) Why does it continue to be poorly led? Well, this Administrations' primary concern has been to manipulate media spin, so that political considerations override the logical planning of operations by the Coast Guard and BP' to stop the leak and clean up the oil.

Additionally, more than 90 [U.S. Navy] personnel and three contracted offshore supply vessels are supporting the Coast Guard's oil response efforts.

Ninety personnel and three contracted vessels is a laughably small Navy contingent.

Wouldn't you have thought that a President, upon learning of the explosion and oil leak a mile under water off the Louisiana coast, would have immediately placed a call to the Secretary of the Navy and simply ordered the U.S, Navy to "seal that damn pipe, yesterday!" While SUPSALV is based in Washington D.C., the trained manpower, the specialty deep-sea equipment, the engineering proficiency, and the materials fabrication facilities to do the job quickly are all located at Norfolk Navy Shipyard in Portsmouth, Virginia.

So, what the heck is going on? We can logically conclude the following; the Navy is out of the critical decision loop, the Navy's marine engineering expertise has been replaced by dubious advise from Homeland Security and the Coast Guard, the oil spill responders remain under strictly control of the "West Wing" political operation, and the Navy has been told to "shut up and don't say anything to anyone."

It is now clear that Obama and the senior operatives of this Administration have such a deeply held anti- military fixation that it does not allow them to use the Navy's real world engineering expertise to quickly stop the oil spill. These progressive/socialist radicals would prefer to have the Gulf coast beaches coated in oil, while continuing to milk the crisis for partisan political gains (such as cap and trade legislation and a renewed oil drilling moratorium), rather than allow the U.S. Navy to receive the credit for preserving the Gulf coast and its economies. Why else does the oil continue to gush forth from the mile deep wellhead?

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#1. To: Badeye (#0)

It is now clear that Obama and the senior operatives of this Administration have such a deeply held anti- military fixation that it does not allow them to use the Navy's real world engineering expertise to quickly stop the oil spill.

No. That's not right.

But this is:

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Wouldn't you have thought that a President, upon learning of the explosion and oil leak a mile under water off the Louisiana coast, would have immediately placed a call to the Secretary of the Navy and simply ordered the U.S, Navy to "seal that damn pipe, yesterday!" While SUPSALV is based in Washington D.C., the trained manpower, the specialty deep-sea equipment, the engineering proficiency, and the materials fabrication facilities to do the job quickly are all located at Norfolk Navy Shipyard in Portsmouth, Virginia."

Thank you, Badeye. I've been looking for this. From Day 1 we've been lied to. This is a Big Part of it.

More.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-21   16:27:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#1)

I'm not aware of anything the Navy could do about this leak, given the depth.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-21   16:42:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Badeye, Fred Mertz, war, All (#5)

I'm not aware of anything the Navy could do about this leak, given the depth.

You do realize what you're saying.

That the Greatest Military Faction of then World's Greatest Military, the Navy, cannot seal a hole 5 000 ft below sea level.

Can't even get close to it with any kind of manned vehicle, while Russia, the Collapsed Super power of 20 years ago, routinely uses it's manned sub to go even deeper.

That this Greatest of All US Military Services has ZERO clue on how to blow in/close a hole. With not Conventional Shaped charges, thermobarics, 'pressurized' devices, and or nuclear.

All of the TRILLIONS that have been poured into the US NAvy are now absolutely useless to plug a hole in the ground 48 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi River, the Most Strategic Area of the United States of America.

That's obscene;y insane. IF that is the case the US Navy should IMMEDIATELY have it's budget cut by 50%.

And ALL monies saved targeted at DOING the above mentioned 'blowing in the well' because according to the current Ruling Class Meme, this will Definitely Not be the last EcoCatastrophe caused by our same Ruling Elite in Offshore Drilling.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-22   8:27:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mcgowanjm (#6)

All of the TRILLIONS that have been poured into the US NAvy are now absolutely useless to plug a hole in the

Gee, when was that the stated MISSION of the United States Navy?

What next? Perhaps indict the Air Force because they can't put men on Mars? I mean, they can fly, can't they? They go into outspace don't they on test flights and via NASA?

What about the Marine Corps? Why, the work in warm weather, how come they haven't addressed Global Warming? Cut their budget immediately!

And the Army! Why...they have tracked vehicles, how come they aren't making the trains run on time? Cut their budget too!

(too easy, like pulling wings off of a fly)

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-22   9:23:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye, All (#8) (Edited)

Gee, when was that the stated MISSION of the United States Navy?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

NASA, we have Touch Down

So now you, BE, are going to enlighten us on just what exactly IS the MISSION of the MULTI $$$ TRILLION Platinum plated US NAVY.

That british Petroleum has far and away MORE of what is necessary to stop the gushing oil volcano in the MOST Strategic Area of the United States of America.

This'll be good. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-22   9:41:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mcgowanjm (#9)

(laughing)

You going to enlighten us as to where you get its the Navy's mission statement to plug holes in the ocean floor? Its your claim, provide a link, or cut and paste where that comes from.

Unless of course its just your 'opinion'. Its allowed to hold that view, but suggesting its the Navy's job simply isn't supported by any data I know of.

You made the claim, back it up. Or don't.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-22   9:55:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Badeye (#10)

You made the claim, back it up. Or don't.

OH NONONONONO 8D

JUST like the ONLY place in the World that the DoD CANNOT fire a nuclear device,because All of a Sudden, nukes have bad side effects.

Even when placed more than a mile underground, when Even the US' most hardened military bunkers don't have a MILE of dirt/rock over them...

the US Navy after exploding dozens of nukes and unlimited numbers of shaped charges with bunker busting bombs that we know will EXACTLY take out ALL kinds of ENEMY 'holes' (LMFAO, good one, eh?;}

And even though the Deepwater Horizon is the PERFECT KILL SHOT on the United States of America. And I challenge Anyone to think up one better for a Fifth Gen Warfare Scenario. Hell, they're not even lookiong for a criminal suspect!?

And Even though this is unquestionably THE most Strategic Area of the same United States and the US has unequivocably stated that it does NOT have anything better than what british petroleum has to stop this hole in the ground 5 000 ft below sea level...

That this Same hole in the ground to be plugged in order to keep the US from collapsing is NOT in the purview of the US Navy!?

LMFAO that doesn't even pass the laugh test.

And I'll be replying ad infinum to each post where you, BE, or anyone else, states that our US Navy somehow has something better to do. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-22   10:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

You made the claim, back it up. Or don't.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-22   10:19:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#12) (Edited)

You made the claim, back it up. Or don't.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

I noticed this from over 48 hrs ago.

You seem to like it as some kind of All Encompassing Talisman.

Just 10 days prior Obama gave EVERYONE a pass to drill as fast and deep as they wanted, using walrus's in the GOM boilerplate MMS blow out prevention plans-One and All BigOil.

Can you even type BIGOIL w/o cramping your fingers? LMAO

Now where were we...Oh yeah, you, BE, were going to tell me why the $TRILLION US NAVY is Impotent to blow in a hole in the ground.

Even when that hole constitutes the KILL Shot of the Un ited States of America.

Or Conversely, just what does our $TRILLION Navy do?

Besides killing Marine life, the Planet.

Anything useful? 8D

And you keep posting that Obama Offshore Exemption statement and I'll keep asking what that has to do with the US Navy. Just so we're clear.

James

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-22   10:46:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#13)

And you keep posting that Obama Offshore Exemption statement

James, that's his current tagline.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-06-22   10:48:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Fred Mertz (#14)

He's not to bright, is he? (laughing)

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-22   10:51:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Badeye, Fred Mertz, All (#16)

He's not to bright, is he? (laughing)

So tell me O Wise One, why is your $ Trillion Navy unable to blow a hole in the ground?

When people like Royal Dutch Shell's Hofmeister think it's imminently doable:

BP oil spill Jun 10, 2010 ... John Hofmeister, former president of Shell Oil, founder and CEO of ... may become necessary to take the drastic step of imploding the well. ... www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/.../DI2010061004195.html

Remember Katrina, BE?

I do. And 5 years later, still wondering when CENTCOM (and the Navy now, these things add up!!8D) will be moving to the NOGC+(NOW;)Florida.

What does your US Navy do? We're ALL Laughing. 8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-22   10:57:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mcgowanjm (#18)

All of the TRILLIONS that have been poured into the US NAvy are now absolutely useless to plug a hole in the Gee, when was that the stated MISSION of the United States Navy?

You made the claim, now back it up.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-22   11:11:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Badeye, war, Fred Mertz, All (#22)

All of the TRILLIONS that have been poured into the US NAvy are now absolutely useless to plug a hole in the Gee, when was that the stated MISSION of the United States Navy?

You made the claim, now back it up.

First, I went back and looked at all the above correspondence.

You, BE, state this, 'You made the claim, now back it up.', over and again. Having empathy for you, I realize that no matter what I say, I will never make an impression on you. So I'll just keep repeating my statements, which you will then ignore. ;}

All of the TRILLIONS that have been poured into the US NAvy are now absolutely useless to plug a hole in the ground 48 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi River, the Most Strategic Area of the United States of America.

That's obscene;y insane. IF that is the case the US Navy should IMMEDIATELY have it's budget cut by 50%.

And ALL monies saved targeted at DOING the above mentioned 'blowing in the well' because according to the current Ruling Class Meme, this will Definitely Not be the last EcoCatastrophe caused by our same Ruling Elite in Offshore Drilling.

The US Navy's job must be defending it's vast wealth and not getting involved in anything domestic until.....

who knows, eh? But we're gonna find out. ;}

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/opinion/22Brownfield.html

"The Navy also commands explosives experts who have vast knowledge of underwater demolitions. And it has some of the world’s finest underwater engineers at Naval Reactors, the secretive program that is responsible for designing nuclear reactors for nuclear submarines. With the help of scientists in our national weapons laboratories and experts from private companies, these engineers can be let loose on the well.

To allay any concerns over militarizing the crisis, the Navy and Coast Guard should be placed in a task-force structure alongside a corps of experts, including independent oil engineers, drilling experts with dedicated equipment, geologists, energy analysts and environmentalists, who could provide pragmatic options for emergency action.

With this new structure in place, the Navy could focus on stopping the leak with a conventional demolition. This means more than simply “blowing it up”: it means drilling a hole parallel to the leaking well and lowering charges to form an explosive column.

Upon detonating several tons of explosives, a pressure wave of hundreds of thousands of pounds per square inch would spread outward in the same way that light spreads from a tubular fluorescent bulb, evenly and far. Such a sidelong explosion would implode the oil well upstream of the leak by crushing it under a layer of impermeable rock, much as stepping on a garden hose stops the stream of water."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-22   22:11:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mcgowanjm (#25)

You made the claim, now back it up.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-23   8:42:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Badeye, mcgowanjm (#32) (Edited)

Given that one charge of the Navy is to maintain the navigability of the oceans for US shipping, is the Gulf of Mexico fully navigable at this point?

war  posted on  2010-06-23   8:47:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#34. To: war (#33)

Given that one charge of the Navy is to maintain the navigability of the oceans for US shipping, is the Gulf of Mexico fully navigable at this point?

Looks like we're collecting the trolls here now.

Another sign of Failure being fractal. The Agregious Party has no defense but ad hominem attacks.

Violence is always the last resort of same. They've run out of arguements and look to change the subject in any way possible.

The Absence of the Navy is the Dog that did not bark.

This well is collapsing. hurricane Alex or the next Cat 3/5 will cause so much chaos, that the evacs won't be coming back.

Then we'll need the Army as well as the Navy.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2010-06-23 09:14:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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