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Title: Sarah Palin Takes Stand on Immigration, Palin Enters Immigration Debate, After Endorsing Arizona Illegal Immigration Law
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sara ... -arizona-law/story?id=10707136
Published: May 22, 2010
Author: By KRISTINA WONG
Post Date: 2010-05-22 16:20:34 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Palin, Arizona, SB1070
Views: 31201
Comments: 111
Sarah Palin had been heretofore fairly silent on the issue of immigration. This week for the first time, however, she has been outspoken, making at least five recent public statements on the issue and coming out in full support of Arizona's controversial new immigration law. She even encouraged other states to adopt similar laws. "I think every other state on the border should emulate what Arizona has done," she said on FOX News Wednesday night. "Jan Brewer, the governor of Arizona, has taken upon herself, her state government, to do what the feds should have been doing all along and say, 'No, we're going to secure this border.' "From there, then, once that is taken care of, we can deal with those who are here illegally and we can figure out all that immigration reform that needs to take place. Yes, other states should do what Arizona is doing," she said. She posted on her Facebook page Tuesday about immigration for the second time in a week. "Arizonans have the courage to do what the Obama administration has failed to do in its first year and a half in office, namely secure our border and enforce our federal laws," she wrote. "And as a result, Arizonans have been subjected to a campaign of baseless accusations by the same people who freely admit they haven't a clue about what they're actually campaigning against." A Palin spokesperson declined to comment for this story. The former Alaska governor sparked controversy Saturday with her comments at a campaign event for Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer. "Now this state has enacted a law -- it mirrors the federal law -- which allows police to ask those they otherwise have stopped to provide a driver's license or other verification of legal presence. I think for most American people the reaction to this would be, 'Why haven't the police already been doing that?'" Palin asked the crowd. She encouraged the Highland Park High School girls basketball team the week before to "go rogue" after school administrators canceled its participation in an Arizona tournament, citing safety concerns and the state's new immigration law. She later posted on Facebook: "These boycotts of Arizona will not help the state or lead to positive change. Economic and political boycotts of our nation's 48th state will hurt all Arizonans, including all members of the Hispanic community." Palin's back-to-back flurry of comments marked her public entry into an issue that had not previously been a prominent part of her conservative mix of issues, which included energy, fiscal conservatism and small government. "She had actually been fairly positive about immigration reform as a vice presidential candidate," said Frank Sharry, executive director of America's Voices, a liberal-leaning immigration reform group that immediately criticized Palin. "When she decided to embrace the Arizona show-me-your-papers law, we thought it justified criticizing her for embracing a law that institutionalized racial and ethnic discrimination," Sharry said. A Palin Change of Heart? As a vice-presidential candidate, Palin told Spanish-language television network Univision during an interview Oct. 26, 2008, "There is no way that in the U.S. we would roundup every illegal immigrant ... there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants. ... Not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue." Her GOP presidential running mate, Sen. John McCain, had taken a similar stance, arguing for a comprehensive immigration plan, a multi-faceted approach that includes border patrol, a crackdown on illegal hiring, legalizing immigrants already in the United States and creating a more flexible immigration system. The Arizona law and its more stringent provisions were not part of the national debate at the time. But Palin came out last Saturday in clear support of Arizona's new law, which would be the most robust in the nation in terms of targeting people suspected of being illegal immigrants. The law is set to take effect July 29, barring any successful legal challenges. Sharry said Palin's comments risk alienating Latino voters, the fastest-growing group of voters, from the Republican Party. Latino voter registration grew 54 percent and turnout grew 64 percent from 2000 to 2008, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Republican President George W. Bush and Republican political strategist Karl Rove had made inroads with Latinos in 2000 and 2004 in key states such as Florida, Sharry said, where Latino voters backed Bush over Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts by a 12 point margin in 2004. But, Sharry said, "The Republican party has now become branded among Latino immigrants as the 'party that hates us.'" According to a report by America's Voices, Latinos will make a difference in 42 races in 12 states in the upcoming 2010 mid-term gubernatorial, Senate and House races: Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia. "Someone like Sarah Palin or John McCain or Mitt Romney should stand up and say, 'Stop the madness, stop the political suicide,'" Sharry said. Alfonso Aguilar, executive director for the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, said liberals were trying to use the Arizona law to unfairly attack Republicans, when it's really Democrats who have failed to act on immigration laws. "They know Latinos are mad at them [Democrats], so they're trying to use Arizona to drive a wedge, to say, 'You know what, Republicans don't like Latinos," Aguilar said. "Sadly, they know that the reason why we have the law in Arizona is because Barack Obama has not dealt with immigration as he said he would during the campaign. He has absolutely failed the Latino community." Aguilar said that although he doesn't support the law, reaction to it has been exaggerated. "I'm not a fan of Arizona law, but to say that the bill will lead to systematic and mass discrimination is an outright lie," he said. He added that attempts to pit Latinos against Republicans would backfire within the Latino community. "Latinos don't like to be treated in a condescending way," he said. "They're not going to respond to those tactics, and I think it's going to backfire."
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Why is Dr Ron Paul hiding on this issue?
----------------------------------------------------------- Juan McAmnesty endorses it too, I've heard.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Why do you post a thread about Palin, and make your first comment about Paul? Obvious to anyone. You're starting an anti-Paul thread.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Who cares? Tell us : What is Sarah wearing? WhiteSands posted on 2010-05-22 16:09:43 ET
You should start a facebook page: Badeye's wife and employee, or how I kept the "I'm not dependent on government" company afloat.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
Palin needed a teleprompter to make her speech in AZ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INZRT0-AWuY
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Holy Cow!!! Two hot topics, Palin, and the AZ law, and this thread is only up to 6 posts!!!!! And even you don't want to bump it. No worries. I got ya covered. Here's a bump. Wouldn't want anyone to miss your anti-Paul screeching.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Palin isn't a Harvard educated lawyer. Maybe that fookin idiot, Obama, isn't either? Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
I think the so called 'political experts' in both parties make a big mistake viewing the Hispanic vote as being 'monolithic' as the black vote actually is. It isn't. And as such, you can 'buy it' as both sides seem to believe. As for where does Paul stand on this, there is plenty of time to see in the coming weeks and months. He just won the primary five days ago. As for the lack of posts, no big deal, its the weekend. some of us have lives off the internet. I' just waiting for the grass to dry out enough to get the yard work done, for example. Then an afternoon ride on the bike.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
I guess this means she was for illegal immigrants before she was against them. Nobody can say she isn't decisive. She makes up her mind as quickly as her RINO advisers tell her what to think,and doesn't waiver until it is politically expedient to do so.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Her position is not inconsistent. One can believe the immigration laws should be enforced yet still think there should be a reasonable path to citizenship. Ask Lou Dobbs.
Hasn't she made a plug for Facebook yet? That seems to be her sole purpose here.
'Reasonable' is one of those easily malleable words .... a lot like 'comprehensive'. Ever since Lou Dobbs's wife was shot at he's a changed commentator.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
Sneakypeter, you still seem to be carrying wood for Palin! Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
Her position is not inconsistent. Yes,it is. Unless you consider being John McLunatic's personal parrot is being consistent. One can believe the immigration laws should be enforced yet still think there should be a reasonable path to citizenship. Close,but no cigar. My question to you is are you purposely muddying the water by making the absurd claim that illegal aliens should be put on any path other than one heading back across the border,or is it that you don't understand what the word "reasonable" means? There is nothing reasonable about rewarding somebody that broke out laws to come here by making them citizens. "REASONABLE" immigration is where we only allow people into the country who we think will become Americans and contribute to the greatness of America. We don't need any more stinking anchor babies! Ask Lou Dobbs.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Scenario: A boy comes to the US illegally with his family when he is 15. He goes on to finish school here and works and pays taxes for 20 years. At that time, it is discovered he is not documented. Your position is that he should be sent back to a Country that he knows nothing because there is no possible position other than being a total hardass on the illegal immigrant issue?
And how is this MY problem? Seems to me he should take it up with his parents. Your position is that he should be sent back to a Country that he knows nothing because there is no possible position other than being a total hardass on the illegal immigrant issue? No,my position is he is here illegally,and we should treat him the same way we treat anybody else that is here illegally. Namely,we should deport his ass. And don't get all teary-eyed on my over him not knowing anything about Mexico. Chances are the SOB speaks better Spanish than he does English,anyhow. Let him take his ass back home and apply for a visa if he wants to come back. BTW,what do you think the response of the Mexican government would be to a American citizen in the same position as your mythical 15 year old? They would put him in prison and then deport him.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
You bet they would, and that would happen only if he lived long enough to be deported. My thinking is, if he was brought here at 15yrs of age, and he's been here for another 20yrs, then he shouldn't have a problem going back and applying for citizenship, I mean, surely he's assimulated enough to ace any test they give him? And I've heard whinning about the cost, BS! If they can pay some coyote $1500 to smuggle them, they can afford the cost of legal citizenship! jmo!
No,my position is he is here illegally,and we should treat him the same way we treat anybody else that is here illegally. Namely,we should deport his ass. Well, that's just peachy. He came illegally so just deport him because he got here illegally. Never mind that just about "crime" has a statute of limitations. No, just lump him in with all the genuine illegal criminals. Your rhetoric is just that. In fact, if you actually knew someone in the position I stated, I don't think you are such an asshole that you would recommend the position you stated.
You bet they would, and that would happen only if he lived long enough to be deported. So because the Mexican government is a bunch of assholes, we should be too? My thinking is, if he was brought here at 15yrs of age, and he's been here for another 20yrs, then he shouldn't have a problem going back and applying for citizenship, I mean, surely he's assimulated enough to ace any test they give him? It's not a matter of just passing a test. He'd have to obtain permanent residence first. Very difficult. The main reason folks talk about a path to citizenship is to get these folks in the system instead of manipulating it. I doubt most would even accept this so called amnesty because as it is, they can work under the table, declare just enough income to max out on EITC, and receive every form of welfare possible (TANF, WIC, food stamps, etc.).
He came illegally so just deport him because he got here illegally. Duhhhh! Never mind that just about "crime" has a statute of limitations. BullBarrack! Guess what,Buckwheat. He is COMMITTING A NEW CRIME EVERY DAY HE IS HERE ILLEGALLY. Even if it is it your understanding that the statute of limitations is a half-hour,1 atomic second after that half-hour expires,he or she just committed the same crime again. No, just lump him in with all the genuine illegal criminals. Why not? He IS a criminal.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
There are really two very distinct issues here: 1.) How do we stop new illegals from getting in? The answer isn't that hard -- build a wall and patrol it. The Great Wall of China was originally built between 500 BC and 1500 AD to keep various invaders out. Surely we can do the same thing today. 2.) How do we get rid of the illegals who are already here? This is the hard part. Most current solutions (GOP and DEM alike) would turn America into a POLICE STATE, with mandatory ID cards linked to your finger prints and DNA on file. F-THAT. Looking at the greater perspective, illegals are a far lesser evil than a police state. My view is that we need to build a wall, with armed guards along the way to keep new illegals out. Then we have to find a way to make the illegals who are already here whole. Since they came illegally, maybe they can only get permanent residence status, instead of citizenship -- so no voting ever. That would be their punishment for coming here illegally.
The crime would be that he crossed the border illegally. Living here is not a crime.
Yeah, it is. You're displaying your ignorance of immigration law.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
really? Display the code. Maybe i am.
Again? How's much distance have you covered on that hamster wheel you're running on? Send them back to the country where they are a citizen, thereby making the citizens of the United States, and those who came here legally "whole". That would be their REWARD for coming here illegally.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Display the code. No. You go do your own homework.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
So, your view is that we shouldn't attempt to keep new illegals out, but we should try to expell those that are alreay here? It's backwards and retarded. Your "solution" will not solve anything, but it is a totalitarian's dream. All Heil.
Your reading comprehension sucks.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Yes, it is a crime, a crime of 'trespassing' and 'theft'... We are a Sovereign nation, and nation of laws, and he would be old enough now to understand, he may not like it, but we have laws and we demand they be enforced. The time of foreign nations dictating to us what our laws 'should be'...IS OVER!
I noticed you neglected to answer these: Get back to me when you've got an answer for these.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
No, your ability to write an English language sentence sucks. For example: How's much distance have you covered on that hamster wheel you're running on? What the hell does that mean??? NOTHING.
You are the one that needs to learn how to read. I made two points: A.) I will not go along with turning this country into a POLICE STATE. B.) I propose a pragmatic approach. After the wall is built, the people who are here illegally can get permanent residency (because we don’t want to turn this country into a police state) but as a punishment they will never be allowed citizenship and voting rights.
You STILL haven't answered this: Second time you've ducked it.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
The fact your IQ limits you from understanding it is not my fault. Others will understand.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
You are for comprehensive reform. You would screw the citizens of this country, and those who came here legally to be Americans. Fuck off.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
You are for comprehensive reform. Yes, I want to solve the issue. Fuck off. Merry Christmas.
(jwpegler)Yes Then here is your answer: Fuck off. No more debate. No more spin. No more back and forth. You want comprehensive reform? Fuck off.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
(WC)You would screw the citizens of this country, and those who came here legally to be Americans? (jwpegler) Yes.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
We Are Not A 'Police State' If We Enforce Our Immigration Laws, and you just feed that lie every time you repeat it. This 'Police State' you other's fear so much happens ONLY when you give up your STATES RIGHTS and hand them over to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NO SIR! We DO NOT need REFORM in any shape or form, we need to ENFORCE the laws we already have...we don't need more laws or the FEDS dictating what laws can be enforced and what laws we should IGNORE! JMHO! Watch this short video, and if you have any SHAME at all as a natural born citizen, Bow your head! You still have me on bozo? Yeah, it looks like ya do, gutless.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
(jwpegler) Yes. I never said any such thing. You are a lying sack of garbage. Trailer park trash.
I'm sorry. What part of "Fuck off" didn't you understand?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
(WC)You would screw the citizens of this country, and those who came here legally to be Americans? (jwpegler) Yes.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
You mouthy little fuck. You come on this thread, spouting absolute bullshit about immigration law you haven't the foggiest idea of, you back comprehensive immigration reform that fucks over citizens of this country and immigrants who have followed the laws here to become Americans, then call me Trailer park trash? Fuck off. Debate's over. Oh, and in case you STILL can't understand it: FUCK OFF. Debate's over
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Are you on drugs? If you are here illegally,living here is an illegal act.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yeah no more immigrationm period for 20 years. Prison for people who hire illegals. People who support the illegal invasion should be ridiculed and made fun of until they cry.
Fine. Then you MUST agree with me that the best and quickest solution would be to deport any illegal alien caught,confiscate ALL the assets they have in the US to repay the Treasury for their arrest,confinement,and other expenses involved in deporting them,and forever ban them from ever acquiring even a temporary visa to enter the US to work. On top of that we should fine Mexico for every illegal alien caught entering the US from Mexico,regardless of their country of origin. If they refuse to pay we can seize their assets in the US to make up for the difference,and even reduce our foreign aid to Mexico in order to pay off the associated expenses. THAT will get their attention and make them start paying more attention to their northern border. All this is in addition to stepping up enforcement of our border,stepping up the enforcement of fines against employers who knowingly hire illegals,cutting off ALL government services including schooling to anybody who can't prove they are American citizens or legal resident aliens,etc,etc,etc.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
(jwpegler) Yes. I never said any such thing. Yes,you did. What else would you call slapping legal immigrants in the face who waited years to immigrate here legally and worked hard to become Americans by REWARDING illegal immigrants by GIVING them the same things these other people worked hard to get for themselves?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or * Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or * Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. The crime is the entry. Residing here is not a crime.
This is hurting the owe-bama and the Democrats badly with voters. The admission none of them even bothered to read the law in question stunned the population. Then, when the actual wording of the law, based on existing Federal Law became common knowledge, the credibility of the detractors was gutted. Follow that up with the idiot at ICE saying they wouldn't enforce OTHER EXISTING FEDERAL LAW as it relates particularly to Arizona...wow.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Secure the border. Criminalize the hiring of illegals in a meaningful way - IE CEO's, CFO's, COO's and Board Members go to jail if their organization hires them. Fine the corporations/company's the previous years GROSS SALES for this 'crime'. The problem is solved completely in 12 months folks, if this were done. The flood of illegals would reverse itself comparatively 'overnight'. We don't need 'comprehensive immigration reform'. Thats ridiculous bullshit.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Very good. You found 8USC1325. You are correct. Illegal entry is a crime. But the existence of 1325 does not rule out other sections of 8USC. Do some more homework with this scenario in mind: An alien presents himself at a port of entry with all the necessary paperwork, including a visa, and enters the United States legally. While here, his visa expires, and he decides to heck with it, the U.S. ain't a bad place to live, and decides to live the rest of his life here. Going by your definitions, he can't be arrested and deported, because residing here isn't a crime, illegal entry is, and he entered legally.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Short answer ngt, and please, I'm not being smug. We have laws, we either enforce them or invite chaos...our laws either mean something where our Sovereignty is concerned, or they don't. Our laws were written to protect Americans, they were never meant to protect aliens who invade our nations Illegally...Period! My sympathy, love, devotion, and loyalty lies with my people, the American people, my children and their future dreams, not theirs. If they want this same dream, then they should do it LEGALLY, not take it by force or overwhelm my country by numbers. I am America First! If it insults some, that's too bad, there's not another country out there and it's people who don't feel the same. To ask us to feel differently is hypocratical. JMHO!
When did you change your tune?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
I've always thought this was the way to go. Republicans blew this issue in the wake of 9/11. One of Bush's single biggest mistakes, and McCain's, and DeLay, Hastert, Frist, et al. You want to stop illegal immigration, you remove the incentive from both the illegals and the employers.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
I see. Breaking into a house is the crime,but stealing from it is just peachy-keen. Good thinking! Tell me something,if what you claim is true,WHY does the INS arrest and deport people who have successfully committed the crime,and are then doing nothing but sitting around thinking puppy dog thoughts and dreaming of whirled peas?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Being an illegal [sic] alien is a civil violation. Not a criminal one. Although, some US attorneys have filed some sort of misdemeanor charge against illegals [sic] by piggy backing another law. Not sure which one.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I'm not arguing what should or shouldn't be; I'm simply citing what the code says. And the only code I find only addresses entry. Produce the code that states residing in the US without proper documentation is a crime and I'll accept it.
Incorrect. There are both civil and criminal penalties. The first illegal entry is a crime, a misdemeanor. The second time it's a felony that comes with an 'up to" two year prison sentence.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Cite US code please...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
No war, you're the one who said illegal entry is a civil, not a criminal matter. You are posting bullshit. YOU prove what you said. YOU cite the USC that says it's a civil, not criminal matter.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
So since you can't find it, it doesn't exist? No you wouldn't. You're avoiding my post #53 like the plague. Here it is again: Very good. You found 8USC1325. You are correct. Illegal entry is a crime. But the existence of 1325 does not rule out other sections of 8USC. Do some more homework with this scenario in mind: An alien presents himself at a port of entry with all the necessary paperwork, including a visa, and enters the United States legally. While here, his visa expires, and he decides to heck with it, the U.S. ain't a bad place to live, and decides to live the rest of his life here. Going by your definitions, he can't be arrested and deported, because residing here isn't a crime, illegal entry is, and he entered legally.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
That is not what I "said". I was referring to alien immigrants already jus soli. This was my reference [IIRC the law correctly]: an alien immigrant is subject to registration laws. If an alien immigrant does not register he or she has committed a misdemeanor. So, the act of being here, separate from the act of getting here, while in and of itself may not be criminal, failing to follow procedures once here, is.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I know better.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
(A K A Stone)Yeah no more immigrationm period for 20 years. Prison for people who hire illegals. People who support the illegal invasion should be ridiculed and made fun of until they cry. Agreed. Now they're even pulling out and dusting off the old "we're sending the National Guard to the border" dog and pony show ploy. And the hamster wheel keeps turning, and turning, and turning ....... running miles while going nowhere. Bullshit artists all, no matter from what party.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
I'm happy we agree chopper. Carry on.
Produce the code that states residing in the US without proper documentation is a crime and I'll accept it. Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense. Apparently not. I've always held this view, for over a decade.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
YOU prove what you said. YOU cite the USC that says it's a civil, not criminal matter. Good luck with that...(laughing) And of course he's wrong.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Yep.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
I already posted that and it only addresses entry, not residence.
You're playing word games ngt, and it's no wonder kids are growing up today dumber than a box of rocks. If it's Illegal for them to be here, it's iIlegal to remain here, just ask any employer who hires them now, or any landlord who gets caught housing them... By your logic, it's a crime to break into a persons home, but it's not a crime for them to stay there... Making excuses that defend their crimes instead of demanding our laws be enforced is destroying this nation, you are either a part of it, or don't care, which is it? Then I might have a better perspective where you're coming from. Otherwise, if you have any thoughts on this and care, what would be your solutions to end this invasion?
I'm not playing anything. The law makes entry illegal. If it's Illegal for them to be here, it's iIlegal to remain here, They can be deported if they don't have legal residence, but residing here is no crime. it's a crime to break into a persons home, but it's not a crime for them to stay there... If they don't steal or damage anything, what's the crime other than the illegal entry?
#2: "If they don't steal or damage anything, what's the crime other than the illegal entry?" #1: They CANNOT reside here because it is Illegal, it is a 'Crime', to HOUSE them! Residing here is a Crime, no matter how you try to put a spin on it. They are committing Theft of government services at the expense of American tax payers, our elected officials are commiting theft and treason by allowing it. They are not entitled to these services because they are not legal citizens. #2: You are so wrong, illegal aliens are wreaking havoc and chaos all over this nation. If you have never been robbed by them, had your home broken into by a person who shoudn't be here in the first place, your children threatened in their schools by hispanic foreign thugs, had a loved one murdered in cold blood, slaughtered in a senseless drunken car crash, shot down, beaten, harrassed, intimidated, had your civil rights violated in favor of foreigners, then you know squat about damages and crime committed by Illegal Aliens. This is not Mexico, it is America, and the American citizens Rights and Laws come first! jmho!
Hey Ignoranus, If that's true, how can aliens be arrested and deported for overstaying their visa??? They entered legally, but are now residing here illegally. You've ducked this question from me twice now fucktard. You don't have the balls to answer, because you know I'm correct. You are nothing more than a comprehensive reform shill. Answer up, shill.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Tell ya what shill, you might want to check 8USC1326, which makes it a felony to be FOUND in the U.S. That's right, whether RESIDING or just visiting, IT'S A CRIME TO MERELY BE FOUND IN THE U.S. Criminal. FELONY. Up to 2 years. And a lot more years for certain types. Tell your masters comprehensive immigration reform won't fly.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
I don't think they are ARRESTED. They are detained for deportation, and yes, there is a difference.
Again, deals with entry, not residing. I'm not trying to argue. If you know of a statute which makes residence illegal, simply produce it.
REENTRY OF REMOVED ALIENS.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I just gave you one of them, 1326. But you two spinners just continue to spin. 1326 states the crime is being FOUND in the U.S., but you two spinners didn't mention that. Every alien who enters the United States illegally, or is here illegally, is commiting a CRIME. The fact that the government refuses to press the criminal charges doesn't change that fact, nor does it make you two illegal alien apologist propagandists trying to bullshit everyone into believing "its no crime" correct. Simply kiss my ass. You're not the boss of me. We don't live in a country where you say anything you want, and it remains true unless I prove you wrong. You made the bullshit statement. You're a mouthpiece for amnesty. And BTW, as far as your fear mongering "either accept illegal alien amnesty, or we'll get a national ID card" ploy????? I want neither one, and if those in Washington can't figure out how to have neither amnesty nor national ID cards, then they're fired and we'll get someone who can.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
1326 makes the act or re-entering after deportation a crime. That is not spin...I gave you the title of the code.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Why the tap dancing?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
No it doesn't. 1325 makes entering the U.S. illegally a crime. That is always a crime, whether one is a prior deport or not. 1326 makes BEING FOUND in the U.S. a crime. Read it, not just the title. I know. You cherry picked the title and purposely left out the language of 1326 (BEING FOUND IN THE U.S.) in order to mislead.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
You also may simply kiss my ass.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
I did read it. Now here's your turn to: (a) In general Subject to subsection (b) of this section, any alien who— #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Do you mind if I pass, for now anyway?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I said you "may", not "you must".
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Sorry...I believed that you may have been trying to predict a future event.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
(2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States, Mind telling me what that bolded part means?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
I don't know why you don't like Palin. She's all in favor of amnesty.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Well, if you don't like that one, 'splain this one Lucy: (4) who was removed from the United States pursuant to section 1231 (a)(4)(B) of this title who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has re-entered.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Immigration is not an issue that motivates me to vote for someone. Intelligence is.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Read the law like this: In general, any alien who has been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding, and thereafter enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “removal” includes any agreement in which an alien stipulates to removal during (or not during) a criminal trial under either Federal or State law. Btw, are you related to Price?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has For extra credit, try the INA.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Think anyone else here will notice you don't have the balls to address the "found in the U.S."? You're dishonorable war. You've not a bit of honesty in you.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
The law addresses RE-ENTRY. Period. It matters not when or where the immigrant is found. The LAW punishes the act of RE-ENTRY.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
And punishes the act of re-entry.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Like I said. You've not a bit of honesty in you. Immigrant? The word "immigrant" does not appear in 1326. It's "alien". They're not "immigrants". They haven't "immigrated". They're illegal aliens. But you know that. To quote 1326 "OR is at any time found in, the United States," I guess you know better than what's written in black and white? See that word "OR". That means all that has to be done is find the alien in the U.S. You don't have to even bother with how he entered. All ya gotta do is find him in the U.S. If he's standing in front of you in the U.S, he's toast. It's not difficult to prove he's in the U.S. when he's in the U.S. That's why it's written into the law, and is missing from section (3) So yeah, it does matter when or where. "When" is "at any time", just as it's written, and "where" is "the United States", just as it's written. But you know that war. Crunch time war. Man up.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
The plain language of the law does not support your statement. The law punishes him for RE=ENTERING the US. The notes and comments on the law more than prove this. So, fuck you for calling me a liar, liar. To bring it to your level.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
You really get humorous when you get your ass handed to you.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
My hands are empty. What is the title of the law that you are promoting as being the be all and end all of illegal immigration?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
So's yer head.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Are you going to post the law that you claim makes it illegal for any "illegal" alien to be in the US rather than the one that makes re-rentry for a deported alien to re-enter or are you simply going to continue to regale me with the results of you flunking out of the Mudboy Slim School of Poetry?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Again, you may simply kiss my ass. Again, you've no honesty. Take your Alinsky tactics down the road.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
Chuckles... Let's review... You've cited no law. I have. You've incorrectly interpreted the law. I correctly stated what the law is. You've been reduced to invectives and sputtering. I haven't. Have a good day.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I see. This is the new attack on the AZ law about illegal immigration, since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal. It's your attempt, war and no gnu taxes, to show that there is no federal law making it crime to be in the U.S. illegally, so that the AZ state law should be axed. And when I prove to you there is at least one federal law making mere presence in the U.S a crime, war, you go all Alinsky on me. You guys strike me as disinformationists. BTW guys, you might want to check with your AUSA on your faulty take on 1326. Lotsa guys and gals have spent some time in the federal grey bar hotel for merely being here. I know. I put them there. Know why they're there? In a court of law, presence is easier to prove than re-illegal entry. If he's standing in front of the judge in the federal courtroom, he's here, and he's guilty. At least no gnu taxes knew when to turn tail. The AZ law will hold up.
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
That is not what the law does. My "take" on 1326 is dead on.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
(war)That is not what the law does. Well then, I'll expect to not see you claiming the AZ law should be nullified because it makes mere presence in the U.S. illegal. Keep telling yourself that. What's your conviction rate on 1326?
(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.
An Arizona law has no effect of comity on NY or any other state that is NOT Arizona. Arizona can not pass a law making it illegal to speed in the United States. As for 1326, you've cited no authorty to support your bizarre interpretation of a law the title of which is RE-ENTRY OF REMOVED ALEINS. Here's the notes friom the Criminal Resource Manual. Nowhere does it cite an illegal alien as simply being in the US as an illegal act: 1912 8 U.S.C. § 1326—Reentry After Deportation (Removal) After the amendments made by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), subsection 1326(a) now makes it an offense for any alien who has been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed, or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation or removal is outstanding and thereafter enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in the United States, unless prior to the alien's reembarkation at a place outside the United States or his application from foreign contiguous territory, the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien's for admission, or such alien shall establish that he was not required to obtain such advance consent under the Immigration and Nationality Act or any prior Act. The basic statutory maximum penalty for reentry after deportation is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or both. However, with regard to an alien whose "removal" was subsequent to a conviction for commission of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. Moreover, if deportation was subsequent to conviction for an aggravated felony, the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 20 years. Although subsection 1326(a) now refers to any alien who has been "denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed, or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding," subsections 1326(b)(1) and (b)(2), relating to aliens with prior criminal convictions, refer only to aliens "whose removal was subsequent to a conviction." Read together, subsections 1326 (a) and (b) appear to suggest that the term "removal" in subsections 1326(b)(1) and (b)(2) includes the terms "denied admission," "excluded ," "deported," "removed," and "departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding," as set forth in subsection 1326(a). Section 309(d) of the IIRIRA seems to support this conclusion, providing "any reference in law to an order of exclusion and deportation or an order of deportation." Nevertheless, 8 U.S.C. § 1326 does not define "removal," nor does do subsections 1326(b)(1) and (2) specifically provide that removal is synonymous with "denied admission," "excluded ," "deported," and "departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding." In view of this apparent uncertainty, some United States Attorneys expressed concern that, for example, that a criminal alien prosecuted under § 1326(b) might argue that he is not subject to enhanced punishment because he had been "deported," not "removed." To foreclose possible litigation in this area, the Department is considering proposing a technical amendment whereby the language in subsections 1326(b)(1) and (2) would track the language in subsection 1326(a). COMMENT: Further discussion of reentry after deportation offenses is set forth in Chapter 5 of Immigration Law, published as part of the Office of Legal Education's Litigation Series, and as part of the USABook computer library. [cited in USAM 9-73.200]
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.
#2. To: WhiteSands (#0)
Sarah Palin Takes Stand on Immigration, ... After Endorsing Arizona Illegal Immigration Law
#3. To: WhiteSands (#1)
Why is Dr Ron Paul hiding on this issue?
#4. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#5. To: WhiteSands (#1)
Why is Dr Ron Paul hiding on this issue?
#6. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#7. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#8. To: go65, WhiteSands (#6)
Palin needed a teleprompter to make her speech in AZ.
#9. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#10. To: WhiteSands (#0)
This week for the first time, however, she has been outspoken, making at least five recent public statements on the issue and coming out in full support of Arizona's controversial new immigration law.
#11. To: sneakypete (#10)
#12. To: Wood_Chopper (#7)
Holy Cow!!! Two hot topics, Palin, and the AZ law, and this thread is only up to 6 posts!!!!!
#13. To: no gnu taxes (#11)
(Edited)
Her position is not inconsistent. One can believe the immigration laws should be enforced yet still think there should be a reasonable path to citizenship
#14. To: sneakypete (#10)
Nobody can say she isn't decisive. She makes up her mind as quickly as her RINO advisers tell her what to think,
#15. To: no gnu taxes (#11)
#16. To: sneakypete (#15)
. My question to you is are you purposely muddying the water by making the absurd claim that illegal aliens should be put on any path other than one heading back across the border
#17. To: no gnu taxes (#16)
Scenario: A boy comes to the US illegally with his family when he is 15. He goes on to finish school here and works and pays taxes for 20 years. At that time, it is discovered he is not documented.
#18. To: sneakypete, no gnu taxes (#17)
(Edited)
BTW,what do you think the response of the Mexican government would be to a American citizen in the same position as your mythical 15 year old? They would put him in prison and then deport him.
#19. To: sneakypete (#17)
Your position is that he should be sent back to a Country that he knows nothing because there is no possible position other than being a total hardass on the illegal immigrant issue?
#20. To: Murron (#18)
BTW,what do you think the response of the Mexican government would be to a American citizen in the same position as your mythical 15 year old? They would put him in prison and then deport him.
#21. To: no gnu taxes (#19)
#22. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#23. To: sneakypete (#21)
#24. To: no gnu taxes (#23)
Living here is not a crime.
#25. To: Wood_Chopper (#24)
#26. To: jwpegler (#22)
My view is that we need to build a wall, with armed guards along the way to keep new illegals out.
Then we have to find a way to make the illegals who are already here whole.
Since they came illegally, maybe they can only get permanent residence status ...That would be their punishment for coming here illegally.
#27. To: no gnu taxes (#25)
really?
#28. To: Wood_Chopper (#26)
(Edited)
How's much distance have you covered on that hamster wheel you're running on? Send them back to the country where they are a citizen,
#29. To: jwpegler (#28)
So, your view is that we shouldn't attempt to keep new illegals out, but we should try to expell those that are alreay here?
#30. To: no gnu taxes (#23)
Living here is not a crime.
#31. To: jwpegler (#28)
Send them back to the country where they are a citizen, thereby making the citizens of the United States, and those who came here legally "whole".
That would be their REWARD for coming here illegally.
#32. To: Wood_Chopper (#29)
Your reading comprehension sucks.
#33. To: Wood_Chopper (#31)
That would be their REWARD for coming here illegally.
#34. To: jwpegler (#33)
Send them back to the country where they are a citizen, thereby making the citizens of the United States, and those who came here legally "whole".
#35. To: jwpegler (#32)
(Edited)
No, your ability to write an English language sentence sucks...What the hell does that mean??? NOTHING.
#36. To: jwpegler (#33)
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#37. To: Wood_Chopper (#36)
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#38. To: jwpegler (#37)
(WC)You are for comprehensive reform.
#39. To: All, (#36)
(Edited)
#40. To: jwpegler, ALL (#33)
(Edited)
#41. To: Murron (#40)
(Edited)
#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)
(Edited)
(WC)You would screw the citizens of this country, and those who came here legally to be Americans?
#43. To: jwpegler (#42)
I never said any such thing.
#44. To: jwpegler (#42)
#45. To: jwpegler (#42)
You are a lying sack of garbage. Trailer park trash.
#46. To: no gnu taxes (#23)
The crime would be that he crossed the border illegally. Living here is not a crime.
#47. To: Wood_Chopper (#38)
You want comprehensive reform?
#48. To: jwpegler (#37)
Yes, I want to solve the issue.
#49. To: jwpegler (#42)
(WC)You would screw the citizens of this country, and those who came here legally to be Americans?
#50. To: sneakypete, wood_chopper (#46)
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
#51. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#52. To: WhiteSands (#0)
#53. To: no gnu taxes (#50)
The crime is the entry. Residing here is not a crime.
#54. To: no gnu taxes (#20)
#55. To: Badeye (#52)
Secure the border. Criminalize the hiring of illegals in a meaningful way - IE CEO's, CFO's, COO's and Board Members go to jail if their organization hires them. Fine the corporations/company's the previous years GROSS SALES for this 'crime'.
#56. To: Wood_Chopper (#55)
When did you change your tune?
#57. To: no gnu taxes (#50)
The crime is the entry. Residing here is not a crime.
#58. To: sneakypete (#57)
#59. To: sneakypete (#57)
#60. To: war, sneakypete (#58)
Being an illegal [sic] alien is a civil violation. Not a criminal one.
#61. To: Wood_Chopper (#60)
#62. To: war (#61)
Cite US code please...
#63. To: no gnu taxes, sneakypete (#59)
I'm not arguing what should or shouldn't be; I'm simply citing what the code says. And the only code I find only addresses entry.
Produce the code that states residing in the US without proper documentation is a crime and I'll accept it.
#64. To: Wood_Chopper (#62)
(Edited)
o war, you're the one who said illegal entry is a civil, not a criminal matter. You are posting bullshit.
#65. To: Badeye (#56)
I've always thought this was the way to go.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#47)
(W_C) You want comprehensive reform?
#67. To: Wood_Chopper (#66)
#68. To: no gnu taxes, sneakypete (#59)
I'm not arguing what should or shouldn't be; I'm simply citing what the code says. And the only code I find only addresses entry.
#69. To: Wood_Chopper (#65)
I've always thought this was the way to go. I know better.
#70. To: Wood_Chopper (#62)
No war, you're the one who said illegal entry is a civil, not a criminal matter. You are posting bullshit.
#71. To: Wood_Chopper (#66)
#72. To: Murron (#68)
#73. To: no gnu taxes (#72)
I already posted that and it only addresses entry, not residence.
#74. To: Murron (#73)
#75. To: no gnu taxes (#74)
#1: "They can be deported if they don't have legal residence, but residing here is no crime."
#76. To: no gnu taxes (#74)
(Edited)
but residing here is no crime
#77. To: no gnu taxes (#74)
(Edited)
but residing here is no crime.
#78. To: Wood_Chopper (#76)
If that's true, how can aliens be arrested and deported for overstaying their visa??? They entered legally, but are now residing here illegally.
#79. To: Wood_Chopper (#77)
Sec. 1326. Reentry of removed aliens
#80. To: Wood_Chopper (#77)
8 USC 1326
#81. To: no gnu taxes, war (#79)
Again, deals with entry, not residing. If you know of a statute which makes residence illegal, simply produce it.
If you know of a statute which makes residence illegal, simply produce it.
#82. To: Wood_Chopper (#81)
I just gave you one of them, 1326. But you two spinners just continue to spin.
#83. To: Wood_Chopper (#81)
Simply kiss my ass. You're not the boss of me. We don't live in a country where you say anything you want, and it remains true unless I prove you wrong.
#84. To: war (#82)
1326 makes the act or re-entering after deportation a crime.
I gave you the title of the code.
#85. To: war (#83)
Why the tap dancing?
#86. To: Wood_Chopper (#84)
1326 makes BEING FOUND in the U.S. a crime. Read it, not just the title.
§ 1326. Reentry of removed aliens
(1) has been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding, and thereafter
(2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States, unless
(A) prior to his reembarkation at a place outside the United States or his application for admission from foreign contiguous territory, the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien’s reapplying for admission; or
(B) with respect to an alien previously denied admission and removed, unless such alien shall establish that he was not required to obtain such advance consent under this chapter or any prior Act,
shall be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Criminal penalties for reentry of certain removed aliens
Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this section, in the case of any alien described in such subsection—
(1) whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), such alien shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;
(2) whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission of an aggravated felony, such alien shall be fined under such title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both;
(3) who has been excluded from the United States pursuant to section 1225 (c) of this title because the alien was excludable under section 1182 (a)(3)(B) of this title or who has been removed from the United States pursuant to the provisions of subchapter V of this chapter, and who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters the United States, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under title 18 and imprisoned for a period of 10 years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.[1] or
(4) who was removed from the United States pursuant to section 1231 (a)(4)(B) of this title who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States (unless the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien’s reentry) shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “removal” includes any agreement in which an alien stipulates to removal during (or not during) a criminal trial under either Federal or State law.
#87. To: Wood_Chopper (#85)
You also may simply kiss my ass.
#88. To: war (#87)
Do you mind if I pass, for now anyway?
#89. To: Wood_Chopper (#88)
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#90. To: war (#86)
(2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States,
#91. To: war (#89)
#92. To: war, no gnu taxes (#90)
#93. To: Wood_Chopper (#92)
(4) who was removed from the United States pursuant to section 1231 (a)(4)(B) of this title who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States
#94. To: Wood_Chopper (#91)
#95. To: Wood_Chopper (#93)
#96. To: war (#93)
Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has re-entered.
re-entered BEEN FOUND IN THE UNITED STATES.
#97. To: war (#93)
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#98. To: Wood_Chopper (#97)
Think anyone else here will notice you don't have the balls to address the "found in the U.S."?
#99. To: Wood_Chopper (#96)
Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has re-entered BEEN FOUND IN THE UNITED STATES.
#100. To: war (#98)
It matters not when or where the immigrant is found.
It matters not when or where the immigrant is found.
#101. To: Wood_Chopper (#100)
Like I said. You've not a bit of honesty in you.
#102. To: war (#101)
#103. To: Wood_Chopper (#102)
#104. To: war (#103)
My hands are empty.
#105. To: Wood_Chopper (#104)
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#106. To: war (#105)
Are you going to post the law...
#107. To: Wood_Chopper (#106)
#108. To: war, no gnu taxes (#107)
#109. To: Wood_Chopper (#108)
since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal.
#110. To: war (#109)
(W_C)since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal.
My "take" on 1326 is dead on.
#111. To: Wood_Chopper (#110)
since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal.
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