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Title: Bush Tax Cuts Vs Obama Stimulus Package - The 12 Following Months of Each
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Published: Apr 30, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-04-30 08:26:35 by no gnu taxes
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In 2003, President Bush signed into law a large tax cut for all “net taxpayers.”

Net taxpayers are those whose final tax payment, exceeds any form of offset or reduction. Net taxpayers must be distinguished from those who could be classified as “net tax receivers.”

Net tax receivers, get credits and other transfers from “net taxpayers” turned over to them, in the form of cash–thousands of dollars of cash, to millions of recipients.

The 2003 tax cuts went 100% to “net taxpayers.” The Obama portion of his-misnamed-tax cuts, went/go almost 100% to “net tax recipients.”

Millions of individuals, classified as taxpayers, file a tax return, have taxes temporarily withheld, before those payments are refunded. Beyond that, recipients receive huge amounts of cash paid by “net taxpayers.”

This is a welfare payment done through the tax code. The amounts received are based on means-testing, as are all welfare programs. They are also classified as transfer payments.

2003 Bush Tax Cuts Vs. 2009 Obama Stimulus Package–12 Following Months of Each

2003 Bush Tax Cuts—Net Jobs Gained (plus) +1.1 Million

2009 Obama Stimulus—Net Jobs Lost (minus) -3.1 Million

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) U.S. Dept. of Labor

Cost To Taxpayers

2003 Bush Tax Cuts—0

2009 Obama Stimulus—$862 Billion

Source: Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

Avg. Cost To Individual “Net Income Taxpayers” Applied To Present Workforce

2003 Bush Tax Cuts–0

2009 Obama Stimulus–$9269

Source: Tax Foundation–Based on Statistics From The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) 2006 Latest data available

Most recent data available lists 93 million “net income tax” payers

Receipts To Government: Two Quarters Following Each

2003 Bush Tax Cuts–(Plus) +$90.7 Billion

2009 Obama Stimulus–(Minus) -$65.8 Billion (Third Quarter Receipts Not Yet Available)

Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) U.S. Dept. of Commerce

Disposable Personal Income–Third Full Quarter Following Enactment of Tax Cuts and Stimulus—Inflation Adjusted

per capita (every man, woman and child)

2003 Bush Tax Cuts——-(plus) +$658

2009 Obama Stimulus—(plus) +$290 (Fourth Quarter Data Not Yet Available)

Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) U.S. Dept. of Commerce

President Obama’s constant utterance “I gave tax cuts to 95% of Americans.” is not only untrue but it is very close to being 100% untrue. Practically all payments given to recipients were “transfer payments” of other taxpayers’ money, received under the euphemism “credits.”

A tiny few, who in the end did make a “net tax payment”, reduced their taxes for one year, through such credits as the home buyers credit, but this giant $ 8000 giveaway, was also available to those who paid no taxes whatsoever, which means that in the long run it will be an added cost to all “net taxpayers”

Credits at one time were only a payment to reduce taxes actually paid. Taxpayers originally lowered their tax but could never go lower than zero.

Now in most cases, credits are simply transfers or redistribution, from those who earned the money from their own business or employer, to those who have not earned it in any way.

CREDITS: Business and Individual Credits Should Be Eliminated–Only Deductions From Taxes Actually Paid Should Be Allowed

Businesses get credits, but in most cases, only reduce the amount of the final tax, actually paid.

If credits were completely removed from all taxpayers, tax rates not only could be lowered to individuals and business, but revenues to government would dramatically increase as they have done historically. This would give our economy an enormous boost.

This actually happened to a great degree in 1986 but congress as always, undid the improvements, using the usual tactic of class warfare.

Many voters mistakenly believe that corporations actually “receive” money from government. The reality is they contribute quite substantially.

Corporations, initially, do receive tens of billions in credits. However, the final amount of “net taxes paid” is hefty. In 2006 for instance, when tax revenues to government were soaring from all revenue sources, corporations turned over a “final net amount” of $395 billion dollars. This is after credits, subsidies, allowances, etc. whatever term anyone chooses. That final amount paid, represented a full 1/8 of federal revenues for the year.

President Obama’s Stimulus package on the other hand, borrowed $787 billion of taxpayers’ money which must be repaid by taxpayers now and in ensuing years. $787 billion was the original cost estimate submitted by the Congressional Budget Office; since then, a CBO revision added $85 billion.

The most important figure above for individuals would seem to be DISPOSABLE PERSONAL INCOME (DPI). This tells how much more or less taxpayers had to spend.

As of this date, the data greatly favors the Bush tax cuts, which shows a gain of over 2 1/4 times that of the Stimulus, with not one penny of debt added on to taxpayers, from the tax cuts.

Notice too, that receipts to government increased after the Bush Tax Cuts and decreased after the Obama Stimulus.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Apples versus Oranges: The flavor difference thereafter...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-30   8:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: war (#1)

Apples versus Oranges: The flavor difference thereafter...

LOL

A rebuttal representative of the true idiot that you are.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-30   8:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

2003 Bush Tax Cuts—Net Jobs Gained (plus) +1.1 Million

2009 Obama Stimulus—Net Jobs Lost (minus) -3.1 Million

It's kind of stupid to compare a tax cut issued during an expansion with one issued during the biggest economic collapse since the great depression.

Keep in mind, the economy gained jobs after Reagan's 1986 tax hike.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-04-30   8:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#3)

Keep in mind, the economy gained jobs after Reagan's 1986 tax hike.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-30   9:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#3) (Edited)

It's kind of stupid to compare a tax cut issued during an expansion

Expansion? We were having the biggest loss of jobs since Hoover. Didn't you read the papers back then?

Face it. Tax cuts do stimulate the economy. Handing out donations as paybacks to your political buddies and calling it a stimulus does not.

We were going into a recession when Bush took Office. He cut taxes and it was over in 6 months.

Keep in mind, the economy gained jobs after Reagan's 1986 tax hike.

It wasn't a tax hike. It cut taxes.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-30   12:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#5)

It wasn't a tax hike. It cut taxes.

You might want to read a bit more about that one. The 1986 tax bill was the biggest tax hike in our nation's history, raising corporate taxes by $120 billion while eliminating deductions worth another $300 billion.

Of course that wasn't Reagan's only tax hike, in 1982 he raised taxes by $100 billion. In 1983 he raised gas taxes. In 1984 he raised business taxes by $50 billion over 3 years.

And with respect to Bush's tax cut:

January 8, 2007 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242424,00.html

WASHINGTON — The economy has cranked out fewer jobs under President Bush — by millions — than it had by the same point in the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

As usual, facts are not your friend.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-04-30   21:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: go65 (#6)

The 1986 tax bill was the biggest tax hike in our nation's history, raising corporate taxes by $120 billion while eliminating deductions worth another $300 billion.

You might want to read a bit more. Although its original purpose was to be revenue neutral, it was scored by the CBO as a net decrease in individual income taxes.

It also greatly simplified the tax code (its real purpose), and I know for a fact, it decreased my taxes.

WASHINGTON — The economy has cranked out fewer jobs under President Bush — by millions — than it had by the same point in the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

As usual, facts are not your friend.

Yawn. Compare the jobs cranked out under Obama to those under Obama to those under Bush. And before you say "Obama inherited a recession," so did Bush.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-05-01   10:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

You might want to read a bit more. Although its original purpose was to be revenue neutral, it was scored by the CBO as a net decrease in individual income taxes.

Up until Reagan signed the Tax reform Act in 1986 you could deduct credit card and car loan interest off your income tax. I went into a slightly lower rate, but my taxes pretty much stayed the same, because I had two car loans.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-05-01   11:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

You might want to read a bit more. Although its original purpose was to be revenue neutral, it was scored by the CBO as a net decrease in individual income taxes.

Yes, individual income taxes did go down, but overall the bill raised taxes, including a $420 billion tax hike on corporations. It still is the largest tax hike in our nation's history.

Yawn. Compare the jobs cranked out under Obama to those under Obama to those under Bush. And before you say "Obama inherited a recession," so did Bush.

The recession started in March of 2001, 2 months after Bush became President, despite it being well known that Bush would pass a tax cut.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-05-01   11:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: go65 (#9)

It still is the largest tax hike in our nation's history.

No it was not. In fact, that is total bullshit propaganda.

Corporate tax revenues pale compared to individual tax revenues.

The recession started in March of 2001, 2 months after Bush became President,

So you're claiming Bush had something to do with that?

LOL

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-05-01   12:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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