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Published: Jan 23, 2024
Author: Vicomte13
Post Date: 2024-01-23 12:12:33 by Vicomte13
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People believe different things, based on differing evidence.

Here, there are several people who believe, ardently, in their heart of hearts, that the King James Version of the Holy Bible is perfect, and directly from God. Nothing in it is wrong, or can be.

I do not ask these questions to mock anyone's belief; I ask to understand it, the extent of it. Were I ever to adopt such a belief, I would need to be convinced it was true. I do not say that I cannot be convinced; that is not true. I COULD BE convinced, were I shown the proper evidence.

So, let me ask my questions. I would like a thoughtful answer from a KJV- Only believer.

Of course, once I send this, it is in the air, and each of you may do as you please with it. It is much easier to attack me, claiming that my question is insincere, claiming to know the interior of my heart, etc. And in this way, to dodge the question. But the question remains. I would hope that we could avoid that step, and just answer my question.

(To help, I will give what I believe the KJV-Onliest's response would be. If it is right, the KJV-Onliest could simply aver that: "Yes, that is correct." If it is wrong, he may correct it.)

Question 1: Following the time frame and the genealogies present in. Genesis, Chapters 1-5, the earth is approximately 6000 years old. There can be some fluctuation and some uncertainty, especially in connecting Moses to a particular reign of a particular Pharaoh in Egypt. This might add a few hundred years, here and there.

The Septuagint Greek, likewise, renders a world that is about 12,000 years old, give or take, but we are using the KJV, and it is about 6000 years old, about 2000 years before the Flood, and 4000 years since.

Do you agree?

My view of what the KJV-Onliest will state: "Yes, that is correct. If you add up the years of the genealogy tables in Genesis 4 and trace them forward, you get a precise number of years from Adam to the Flood, and there are references to the ages of Adam's sons and their offspring after the Flood, to the sons of Isaac and the descent into Egypt, and then to the number of years the Hebrews were in Egypt. Connecting Moses' Pharaoh to the historical timeline is imperfect, but it was in Egypt, and we can narrow it to a certain band of time, perhaps 100-200 years. So, we cannot state with certainty that the world was created on EXACTLY October 7, 3761 BC, as the Orthodox Jews do, because the Bible record gets fuzzy in terms of exact lifespans and dates with Moses, as a ballpark that is about right, give or take a few years.

The world is NOT 15,000 years old, let alone 4.5 billion. Plants were created on the third day of creation, and various animals were created on the 5th Day, and the 6th, with the creation of Adam being last, but this was all in 3 days.

Now, "a day in the sight of God is a thousand years" the KJV says, so MAYBE, just MAYBE, there was a 3500 year span between the creation of plants and the creation of man. But it says nowhere that a day is 500 million years, or a billion years. So, maybe you could tack on a few thousand years for the first 5 days, but that's it.

According to the KJV, the world is about 6000 years old. Maybe 11,000, if one reads those days without men as "a thousand years", maybe not. That is not perfectly clear.

What IS clear is that it is NOT 4.5 billion years old. That is flatly contradicted by the Bible."

Is that a fair statement of the KJV-Onliest's belief?

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#1. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

Let me throw some thoughts out there in regards to your questions.

Firstly I think you are sincere, I believe you're always sincere.

I think The KJV preserves Gods word perfectly. I'm not going to say you have to believe the KJV only to be saved. I'm not going to say other Bibles don't contain his word or at least some of it. I do think at least some of them are flawed though. Such as the NIV which seems to call Jesus a sinner because he was angry. I also don't believe you have to believe the earth is young in order to be saved. I do think it is foundational though. I think if you don't believe that and you talk to other people to show them that the Bible is Gods word that it gives them a reason to not believe since you have to change the simple meaning of words to make it fit with what the world is currently saying about the age of the earth. So I think it would undermine some peoples potential faith. I think if you cannot trust the foundation the Bible is laid on then why believe the rest of it many people would conclude. I think the foundation is under attack so Gods word can be discredited.

I haven't added up all of the begats but the numbers you throw out in my opinion are in the ballpark.

I don't claim to be a Bible scholar or know it all. Even though I may come across that way sometimes by the way I talk. Sorry about that.

In Second Peter 3:8 where it says "8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Here is what I notice. It doesn't say a day is a thousand years and it doesn't say a thousand years is a day. It says "IS AS". To me that is saying how can I put this. It is saying that God is outside of time. That what seems like a long time to us is a short "time" for God because he is timeless. It is also saying this in the context of Christs return so that if it is a long time to people it isn't a long time to God and to be patient he will return.

If plants were created on X day and it was thousands of years in between. Then everything would die in the thousand of years of darkness it would seem to me. Also I would bet if you did look up day and night in the Greek or Hebrew I bet you that it is the same word used in other parts of the Bible and no one interprets those times as being a thousand years.

Also I've heard it said well if a thousand years is as a day and day is as a thousand years then it cancels itself out. Just passing on what I have read.

There are some of my thoughts. Unfortunately not many people are here, so that someone smarter than I could give you answers.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-01-24   0:06:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Ok, now, let's explore further.

I agree with you that, if you believe that the Bible is God's Word, and that it is all literally true as written, that evolution and an old earth are completely incompatible with that.

I agree that if you read that the world is a few thousand years old, and you read that the world is 4.5 billion years old, these cannot be directly squared with one another. Both could be false, or one be true and one be false, but both cannot be true.

As I read the KJV, before Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, there was no death in the world. I note that the KJV never describes what we would call plant death as "death". In the Bible, animals and humans "die" - stop breathing - but plants "fade". So, from a Biblical perspective, humans and animals eating plants was not a case of all of those plants "dying". That is the biological view, but it does not reflect the language of the Bible. They did not die. They faded, they were eaten, but they were not "breathers" - souls - in the first place, so their "death" in modern terms, meaning the extinction of a biological function, was not Death, in the Biblical sense, because they were never "living souls" in the first place. So, the eating of plants was NOT "death in then world" in the Biblical sense.

Death entered the world because of the sin of Adam and Eve. Before that, there was no death, meaning that animals did not kill other animals to eat. That came about as the result of the sin of Adam and Eve.

Do you agree?

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-01-24   9:52:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

Death entered the world because of the sin of Adam and Eve. Before that, there was no death, meaning that animals did not kill other animals to eat. That came about as the result of the sin of Adam and Eve.

Do you agree?

Yes I do. I would suspect they started eating each other sometime after the fall.

Genesis 1:30 King James Version 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-01-25   21:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)

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Ok. So what do you make of the dinosaurs? Do you think they co-existed with men and then died in the Flood, and the ones on the ark died out afterwards?

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