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Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 11. #7. To: Peromischievous leucopus (#0) Firtash is a distraction. No one even knows who he works for. Ukrainian mob, Russian mob, himself, etc. Nothing he says would be admissible in U.S. courts or an impeachment proceeding. Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-08   20:50:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Tooconservative (#7) Do you recall who Firtash is NOW? Ah, yes. I remember now. Flirtash is your mother and Elton Jane is your father. From Rules of Evidence in an Impeachment Trial: 2256. In the Belknap trial objection was successfully made to an opinion of a subordinate officer as to evidence of the character of respondent’s administration.—On July 12, 1876,1 in the Senate sitting for the impeachment trial of William W. Belknap, late Secretary of War, Nelson H. Davis, Inspector General of the Army, was examined as a witness on behalf of the respondent, and Mr. Matt. H. Carpenter, of counsel for the respondent, having ascertained that witness had been in the Army during respondent’s entire administration and had been holding constant official relations with him, asked: From all you know of the subject, and from all you know of General Belknap, I ask you what has been the general character of his administration of the War Department? Mr. Manager George A. Jenks at once objected: The objection I make to that is that a witness must testify to character instead of to the specific acts of this man, or general acts. He must know what has been said by those who are familiar with his administration in that office, instead of how has he done the business. Mr. Manager George F. Hoar said: We understand also that it should be the opposite of the particular offense charged. If a man is charged with adultery, his reputation for chastity; if he is charged with perjury, his reputation for veracity. We suppose the question should be, ‘‘What is the reputation of the Secretary for official integrity?’’ * * * We do not understand that it is competent to prove by a subordinate officer in the Army, as an expert, the general character of the administration of a great officer of state. There is no such thing as an expert in such an administration. We object to the question unless it is limited to the reputation of the Secretary for official integrity. nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-08   23:41:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: nolu chan (#8) Ah, yes. I remember now. Flirtash is your mother and Elton Jane is your father. I think your last post was directed at peromischievous, not me. In other news, do you expect that Nadler or Schiff will be the point man of the House managers and act as chief prosecutor in the Senate? Or do you think this will all fizzle due to Pelosi deliberately scuttling the vote in the House to miss impeachment by a single vote? I think Pelosi will arrange for impeachment to fail in the House. I see no way for Pelosi to hope that they will reach the 2/3 of present senators to vote for impeachment. Abstentions for senators present are counted as no votes; only a senator's absence from the chamber will help lower the number of required votes. If Pelosi were willing to try to trade her House majority for enough Senate seats to prevent Trump from appointing another Supreme without Dem consent, it could make some strategic sense. But that seems like a long and convoluted scheme even for Pelosi. The best outcome of such a scheme would likely be to defeat Collins in Maine and see Jones in AL defeated as well, a tie. I don't see many other GOP Senate seats within Dems' reach with a strong economy and full employment. It is a long steep hill to climb to get 67 votes to convict in the Senate, only to elevate a President Pence into office in a good position to serve 8+ years as president. Removing Trump now would be the GOP's best chance to hold the WH for 12 years straight and remake the Court entirely by replacing both RBG and Breyer. Pelosi knows this as does Schumer. So what is their game? Just a little election year impeachment drama for the kiddies but without any serious intent of actually removing Trump? It seems that way to me. Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-09   1:10:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Tooconservative (#9) (Edited) I apologize for my error. I would expect that some competent person would be the manager and the function inself will largely be executed by a staff lawyer. As the impeachment itself has no real chance of reaching conviction, other motives should be considered. The biggest threat to the DEMe is the Squad and the radical nutbags who have agitated this nonsense. Nancy may well be leading the lemmings off a cliff, saving the party while incurring a temporary loss of seats. Nancy might get a party meritorious service award for aiding the radicals in Epsteining themselves, culling the herd. The Senate will very rapidly dismiss the charges. There will be no lengthy proceeding. This may trash the radical left so badly that the current crop of nutty candidates collapsing and a white knight "has to" ride in and "save" the party. I don't think the establishment thinks any of that lot can succeed against Trump. The debates have collapsed into an irrelevant farce. Their disaster is having the GOP nominate SCOTUS justices and other Federal judges for another four to eight years. nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-09   9:11:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: nolu chan (#10) I would expect that some competent person would be the manager and the function inself will largely be executed by a staff lawyer. I think so. I would think that Nadler would be the lead House manager and that staff lawyers would conduct the prosecution with him hovering over them constantly, directing their conduct. And Nadler would have a small group of fellow-managers he would consult with and who would also appear in the Senate chamber. I can't recall exactly how it went with the Xlinton impeachment since it was over in about a day. It seems that Henry Hyde was the senior member of the managers and chair of the House Judiciary committee. Next senior was Sensenbrenner, it seems. WaPo: Prosecution Who's Who, 1/14/99 Tooconservative  posted on  2019-12-09   10:08:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 11. #30. To: Tooconservative (#11) I think so. I would think that Nadler would be the lead House manager and that staff lawyers would conduct the prosecution with him hovering over them constantly, directing their conduct. And Nadler would have a small group of fellow-managers he would consult with and who would also appear in the Senate chamber. I can't recall exactly how it went with the Xlinton impeachment since it was over in about a day. It seems that Henry Hyde was the senior member of the managers and chair of the House Judiciary committee. Next senior was Sensenbrenner, it seems. The records of the William J. Clinton Impeachment are at: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-106sdoc4/pdf/CDOC-106sdoc4-vol1.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-106sdoc4/pdf/CDOC-106sdoc4-vol2.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-106sdoc4/pdf/CDOC-106sdoc4-vol3.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDOC-106sdoc4/pdf/CDOC-106sdoc4-vol4.pdf 3,197 total pages PRELIMINARY PROCEEDINGS Volume 1, at 17-18: (January 6, 1999) MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE RECEIVED SUBSEQUENT TO SINE DIE ADJOURNMENT Under the authority of the order of the Senate of January 7, 1997, the Secretary of the Senate, on December 19, 1998, subsequent to the sine die adjournment of the Senate, received a message from the House of Representatives announcing that the House of Representatives has impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States; the House of Representatives adopted articles of impeachment against William Jefferson Clinton, which the managers on the part of the House of Representatives have been directed to carry to the Senate; and Mr. HYDE of Illinois, Mr. SENSENBRENNER of Wisconsin, Mr. MCCOLLUM of Florida, Mr. GEKAS of Pennsylvania, Mr. CANADY of Florida, Mr. BUYER of Indiana, Mr. BRYANT of Tennessee, Mr. CHABOT of Ohio, Mr. BARR of Georgia, Mr. HUTCHINSON of Arkansas, Mr. CANNON of Utah, Mr. ROGAN of California, and Mr. GRAHAM of South Carolina, have been appointed as managers. - - - - - - - - - - FLOOR TRIAL PROCEEDINGS Volume II at 1007 (January 14, 1999) The Presiding Officer notes the presence in the Senate Chamber of the managers on the part of the House of Representatives and counsel for the President of the United States. Pursuant to the provisions of Senate Resolution 16, the managers for the House of Representatives have 24 hours to make the presentation of their case. The Senate will now hear you. The Presiding Officer recognizes Mr. Manager HYDE to begin the presentation of the case for the House of Representatives. Volume II at 1091 (January 15, 1999) ORDER OF PROCEDURE Mr. LOTT. For the information of all my colleagues, then, I understand today’s presentation is expected to continue until approximately 6 p.m., and there will be periodic breaks during the day to allow all Members to stand and stretch. I want to remind Senators to promptly return to their desks at the expiration of those 15- minute breaks in order that we can continue and complete at the earliest possible hour. I thank all Members for their cooperation. This afternoon we will hear from Congressman MCCOLLUM, take a 15-minute break, then hear from Congressmen GEKAS, CHABOT, and CANNON, and then take a break, and then Congressman BARR would complete the afternoon’s presentations. Mr. Chief Justice, I yield the floor. At 1994-1995 (February 12, 1999) The votes were taken on Articles I and II. nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-11 02:47:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 11. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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