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Title: Why We Hate Cops
Source: THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE
URL Source: https://ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle582-20100808-05.html
Published: Aug 8, 2010
Author: Paul Bonneau
Post Date: 2019-09-01 11:57:47 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 10319
Comments: 58

It should come as no surprise to anyone that deranged cop hating is integrated into your nature and character with roots having long ago been implanted among your Paultard libertarian classless ilk – traced back through the years all the way to 2010 and even further beyond.

To validate my charge against you, I refer you to article published in The Libertarian Enterprise and titled: Why We Hate Cops.

The article follows:

I remember the first time I heard anyone in "regular" society express hatred for cops (I'm not counting "revolutionary" times back in the '60's which on retrospect appear not to have been very serious). It was a friend of mine, a fellow engineer, who happened to like going fast on motorcycles, and he was complaining about a ticket he'd gotten. I was a bit shocked to hear him say that. I had thought until then of cops basically as decent people with an important job to do, with maybe a few "bad apples". I was pretty naive back then.

I've gotten the impression lately that cops aren't getting very much support in Internet forums these days, even in places where in the past you'd find almost unqualified support. About everyone seems fed up with 'em.

I wondered why this should be. Why are they becoming so much more frequently scorned?

Is it because they are parasites, tax eaters? They are that, but I find this implausible; if only because 95% of the population is on the dole in some way. Government schools, Socialist Security, Medicare, farmer and rancher subsidies, corporate welfare, people working for war materiel suppliers, the list goes on and on. It's hard to imagine folks getting riled about that aspect. Miss Smith the friendly librarian is no different, and who hates her? Cops are a waste of tax dollars, but so is everything government does with tax dollars.

I think one reason cops are hated is that people generally don't like being scrutinized, and put under suspicion for minding their own business; they really, really don't like that. Cops are always checking you out, looking for a reason to "brace" you (an old meaning of the word that looks very useful these days).

The War on Some Drugs has to cause some hatred, as more and more peoples' lives are ruined by it. Indeed, this prison industry boondoggle has stained all aspects of the "Justice" system, not just cops.

Another reason is that cops are treated, and see themselves, as superior to the rest of us. In innumerable ways, cops are always given the benefit of the doubt; certainly legally, and also informally—although the latter seems to be fading a bit, as trust in cops fades. They are "The Only Ones", we are "mundanes", "proles", peons. They can lie to us, we can't lie to them; they can beat us up and torture us, but if we touch them it is "assault".

Along with this insufferable attitude is a self-regard that what they are about is important and good. I suppose everyone suffers from this malady, but usually it does not impact a person as it does when one runs into a cop in the throes of it. As C.S. Lewis put it, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good, will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." What are cops, if not "omnipotent moral busybodies"? At least when the Mafia runs a protection racket, they don't deceive themselves they are doing you a benefit. One appreciates the Mafia's honesty, in comparison.

Notice, all of the above applies to all cops, "good" and bad. Now, there is a significant fraction of rotten cops, and some departments are overrun with them. There are lots of cops who enjoy playing the bully. But do we hate cops because they are as imperfect as we are?

It's hard to say. On one hand, if a person agrees policing must be done, and that government must do it, then it would be somewhat irrational to fuss about a small percentage of bad cops (although getting them out—good luck—might be a reasonable aim). On the other hand, even for those who agree with these premises, it's one thing to talk about this theoretically—another thing entirely to watch a cop beating a pregnant woman on youtube.

There is one final reason to hate cops. All through history, every tyranny has used cops as its primary tool for sustaining that tyranny. They are the point of the government spear. And let's not deceive ourselves, although most "good" cops probably do deceive themselves about this—if we ever descended into a Nazi- or Stalinist-sized hellhole, few if any cops would resign. Some might feel bad about what they are doing, but they would never resign. Their livelihood comes first; it goes without saying. My guess though, is that this consideration does not enter peoples' minds when they are hating cops. It will if we decend into that hellhole, but not before.

People are questioning all sorts of government "benefits" these days, so it's not surprising cops are being questioned too. Looks like many folks are coming to the conclusion they are not worth the trouble.

Maybe it's just a return to sanity. Cops had it pretty good in this country for a long, long time. My impression, in talking to foreigners, is that cops are normally assumed to be crooks and thugs. Maybe we're just finally opening our eyes.

Salute,
Gatlin
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#6. To: Gatlin (#0)

There's not a lot more to say, and it's plain where all of this is going with the contrived major shootings and the horseshit red flag campaign in full swing.

RED FLAG INSANITY: Pro-Trump Former Marine Has Guns Confiscated to Protect ANTIFA Terrorists

Red flag laws mean patriots will be disarmed.

Published 1 day ago on Aug 31, 2019 By Shane Trejo

A Trump supporter in Oregon was stripped of his firearms under the state’s red flag laws for declaring that his rights wouldn’t be trampled upon by ANTIFA terrorists who have rampaged throughout Portland during the summer.

“If ANTIFA gets to the point where they start killing us, I’m going to kill them next,” said Shane Kohfield, a 32-year-old former Marine. “I’d slaughter them and I have a detailed plan on how I would wipe out ANTIFA.”

This statement triggered the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task to revoke Kohfield’s 2nd Amendment rights and take his firearms away. In addition, they forced the former marine to spend 20 days in a veterans’ hospital as well.

Law enforcement admits that Kohfield never committed any criminal actions or charged with any crimes, but that didn’t prevent his rights from being stripped from him anyway.

The feds, who refuse to prosecute deep state cretins like James Comey but devote excessive resources to profiling and demonizing gun owners, are patting themselves on the back for targeting this veteran with pre-crime measures.

“Clearly, this latest incident shows how effective proactive policing can be in blah, blah, blah . . .

bigleaguepolitics.com/red...-trump-former-marine-has- guns-confiscated-to-protect-antifa-terrorists/

randge  posted on  2019-09-01   17:04:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#8. To: randge (#6)

There's not a lot more to say …
Yes, there is – There definitely a lot more to say.

So, let us begin to say it with this:

Former Marine said he’d ‘slaughter’ antifa. The FBI, using Oregon’s new red flag law, took his guns away.

Shane Kohfield stood outside the home of Portland’s mayor in July wearing body armor and a “Make America Great Again” baseball cap, a large knife strapped to one shoulder and a copy of his concealed weapons permit displayed on the other.

Using a loudspeaker, he warned the right-wing activists who turned out to condemn the city’s handling of recent violent demonstrations that they needed to protect themselves against their anti- fascist, or antifa, rivals.

“If antifa gets to the point where they start killing us, I’m going to kill them next,” Kohfield, 32, said. “I’d slaughter them and I have a detailed plan on how I would wipe out antifa.”

That threat pushed the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task to take a series of extraordinary steps against Kohfield, including temporary seizure of a cache of his firearms under Oregon’s new “red flag” law aimed at preventing gun violence, The Oregonian/OregonLive has learned.

The task force also had the ex-Marine committed to a veterans’ hospital in Portland. He spent the next 20 days there.

The moves came as city officials and law enforcement prepared for potentially violent clashes Aug. 17 during a right-wing rally and counterprotests planned in downtown Portland that had become inflamed with incendiary political rhetoric nationwide. Police worried that they would end in catastrophe.

Though Kohfield wasn’t accused or charged with any crimes, police took no chances and prevented him from attending the rally as he repeatedly had promised to do on social media after his confrontation at Mayor Ted Wheeler’s house.

The episode shows that federal law enforcement may be beginning to take a more aggressive tack toward potential political threats, said Michael German, a retired FBI agent and fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School.

“Clearly, this latest incident shows how effective proactive policing can be in reducing the chance of violence,” said German, who has monitored political street clashes in Portland and other parts of the country over the last few years.

“It also makes you wonder if they’d been proactive from beginning whether all of this would have grown into the menace it has become.”

The FBI declined to provide additional details about the case or answer questions submitted by The Oregonian/OregonLive.

“The Portland JTTF’s role is to assess, address, and mitigate any given threat against the people of Oregon appropriately,” Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the bureau’s Portland office said in an email Friday.

“Sometimes that mitigation takes the form of criminal prosecution, and sometimes it involves a holistic response, including consultation with threat assessment teams or others to divert a person before a significant violent crime occurs.”

***

Kohfield, who spoke with The Oregonian/OregonLive, suffers from bipolar disorder and post- traumatic stress disorder, medical records show.

He returned home Tuesday from the VA hospital and maintains he never planned to hurt or maim other people. But he understands why he alarmed police.

“I looked unhinged. I looked dangerous and have the training to be dangerous,” said Kohfield, who lives with his father in Canby and receives disability payments for physical and psychological injuries he sustained during two tours of duty in Iraq.

By leveling vicious warnings, Kohfield said, he hoped to deter others from causing physical harm.

“I figured that the key to de-escalating the situation was to not be the most violent person in the room,” he said. “It was to be the scariest person in the room.”

A supporter of President Donald Trump, Kohfield said he isn’t affiliated with Patriot Prayer, the Proud Boys or other right-wing groups that have organized marches and demonstration throughout Portland over the last 2 ½ years, some that have devolved into bloody brawls and riots.

His protest activity, he said, has been limited to the event outside the mayor’s house and a right-wing rally last fall in downtown Portland, both organized by local conservative activist Haley Adams.

“I was watching on the news that city of Portland did nothing to protect the people against antifa,” Kohfield said. “I figured I’d show up to protect these people.”

***

By the time he popped up at the mayor’s house, Kohfield was already on the FBI’s radar.

He had landed there in March after he sent a letter to Texas Rep. Dan Crenshaw, a first-term Republican congressman and former Navy Seal, according court documents filed in Clackamas County.

The five-page letter, included in the court filings, accused Portland’s mayor and police of permitting anti-fascist activists to commit “savage attacks” against conservatives at protests, including the November rally where Kohfield said he was assaulted by masked demonstrators.

Kohfield told Crenshaw that Congress needed to take immediate steps to declare antifa a terrorist organization. Otherwise, he and other veterans would have no choice but to begin systematically killing antifa members “until we have achieved genocide.”

Kohfield included a detailed outline of how he would carry out the mission, which he argued would be legally justified if the federal government refused to act.

The U.S. Capitol Police shared the letter with the FBI’s Portland office, which assigned the case to a Clackamas County sheriff’s deputy serving on the area’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, court records show.

Deputy Jeremy Stinson interviewed Kohfield and his father at their home in April, according to the court documents.

Stinson learned Kohfield had served in the Marines and kept guns in the house. Kohfield told the deputy he would defend himself the next time members of antifa attacked him.

***

Nearly four months after the visit, the deputy was notified that Portland police had opened a non-criminal inquiry known as a threat investigation in response to the remarks Kohfield made July 20 at the mayor’s house.

“I can’t say that he won’t kill someone,” Kohfield’s father told Portland police during their investigation, according to court records.

He also told police that his son was taking medication for bipolar disorder, drinking heavily and had become increasingly agitated.

“(Kohfield’s father) provided that Shane was really upset by Portland’s ‘liberal government’ and the state of the federal government,” the court documents read.

Stinson included all these details in a July 25 affidavit seeking an “extreme risk protection order” against Kohfield, which a judge approved the same day.

Such protection orders, introduced in Oregon in 2018, allow authorities to pry guns from people not convicted of a crime who show signs they might shoot themselves or someone else.

Each protection order stands for a year but can be extended indefinitely. Those who have their guns taken away can appeal the decision.

Judges statewide received 122 extreme risk protection order petitions through July 2019 and granted 98 of them, said Phil Lemman, Oregon’s acting deputy state court administrator. Kohfield’s is only the sixth approved in Clackamas County, records show.

According to court documents and Kohfield, law enforcement officers served him with the order on Aug. 7 while he was visiting family in central Oregon.

***

It’s not clear why law enforcement waited nearly two weeks to serve the order, but they did so only days after a pair of deadly mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3 and Dayton, Ohio, the following day.

Kohfield, who was unarmed, said at least a dozen officers stopped him while he was leaving a relative’s home outside Prineville.

Officers said they planned to take Kohfield to the VA hospital in Portland. He said they then served him with the protection order.

“I was told that I didn’t have a choice,” he said. “The cops were great. They were respectful and compassionate.”

Kohfield said he was placed under psychiatric observation for five days. He said that he then volunteered to remain at the VA hospital for another two weeks.

According to Lemman, the state court administrator, Kohfield surrendered an AR-15, a pistol, a rifle and a shotgun.

The ex- Marine said he is done with attending protests or political demonstrations in Portland.

“I have done everything I can possibly do to keep both sides from killing each other,” he said. “As long as they keep duking it out like this, it will achieve nothing.”

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-01 19:18:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#6)

In addition, they forced the former marine to spend 20 days in a veterans’ hospital as well.
This statement is untrue. While he was committed to the VA hospital for observation, he spent the last 14 days there voluntarily to receive medical attention for both his bipolar disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder

Shane Kohfield’s stay there may have been of personal benefit to him. Read his 478 page medical record here and you can form an opinion as to whether the stay was beneficial to him or not.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02 02:22:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge (#6) (Edited)

“Clearly, this latest incident shows how effective proactive policing can be in blah, blah, blah . . .
Don’t stop there because you left out the part where he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder. [And not mentioned in the article you are posting from is the fact that he also suffers from bipolar disorder and had a head injury].

So, let’s pick up and continue with the article from where your “blah, blah, blah” ended:

“[…] reducing the chance of violence,” retired FBI agent Michael German said. “It also makes you wonder if they’d been proactive from beginning whether all of this would have grown into the menace it has become.”

“The Portland JTTF’s role is to assess, address, and mitigate any given threat against the people of Oregon appropriately,” wrote Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the FBI’s Portland office in an email.

“Sometimes that mitigation takes the form of criminal prosecution, and sometimes it involves a holistic response, including consultation with threat assessment teams or others to divert a person before a significant violent crime occurs,” Steele added.

Kohfield, who fought two tours of duty in Iraq and suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of serving his country, felt he was responding to a domestic threat posed by ANTIFA that is being aided and abetted by Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler. He participated in a protest outside of Wheeler’s house in July.

“I was watching on the news that city of Portland did nothing to protect the people against ANTIFA,” Kohfield said. “I figured I’d show up to protect these people.”

Kohfield said he was assaulted by masked ANTIFA terrorists during a protest he attended last November, and addressed a letter to Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) warning the Congressman of a likely civil war that will break out if this violent, anti-American organization is not shut down.

The ex-marine was compliant with law enforcement, who he says he has no problems with after they took his guns while enforcing the red flag laws.

“I was told that I didn’t have a choice,” Kohfield said. “The cops were great. They were respectful and compassionate.”

He does not plan to attend any more rallies against ANTIFA or Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, believing that the cause of de-escalating tensions is hopeless at this point. “I have done everything I can possibly do to keep both sides from killing each other,” Kohfield said. “As long as they keep duking it out like this, it will achieve nothing.”

The only thing that will stop the violence is President Donald Trump declaring ANTIFA to be a domestic terrorist organization at the federal level, not the enforcement of unconstitutional red flag laws that render those who have defended our nation’s freedom helpless.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/red-flag-insanity-pro-trump-former-marine-has- guns-confiscated-to-protect-antifa-terrorists/

While the information is these articles is never complete, it is still best to present for consideration all the information that is available.

Salute,
Gatlin

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