Title: The Reliability of the Bible (Proof-Positive Provided?) Source:
YT URL Source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAH_-Du2428 Published:Jun 5, 2019 Author:GENESIS APOLOGETICS Post Date:2019-06-10 11:25:47 by Liberator Keywords:BIBLE, GOD Views:4942 Comments:25
Is the Bible reliable?
Does it include prophecies about Jesus Christ that have come true? Has it been reliably copied over the centuries?
Is the Bible inerrant?
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls help answer these questions!
Poster Comment:
Sequential, repeated evidence is provided for over two millennia of the very same prophecies and information.
Seems the premise is that the prophecies were fulfilled via the tenants of Christian theology. That would, to an extent, make them self-fulfilling prophecies.
I.e. if Isaiah had not written about a man being whipped four our iniquities, would the belief that the whipping Jesus received was because of our iniquities be part of Christian theology today?
Seems the premise is that the prophecies were fulfilled via the tenants of Christian theology. That would, to an extent, make them self-fulfilling prophecies.
A "premise" is a theory; This video demonstrated a lineage and repeatable documentation and proof of fulfilled prophecy. Proof simply does not get any more valid and credible than 2700 years of documentation.
Btw, "Christianity" did not exist in the days of Isaiah. Jesus Christ would not appear for hundreds of years. Isaiah 53 speak to it.
Yes, I did, and I don't find it very compelling for the reason I gave.
It seems you missed my point about Isaiah being a "self-fulfilling" prophecy. To put the question another way: Is there any source in the Bible that claims that Jesus was whipped for our iniquities that cannot be traced back to Isaiah? I imagine Paul wrote of it in one of his letters that is now in the Bible but if so and he was referring back to Isaiah, then that would not count as Paul could be said to be retrofitting the prophecy to create a new piece of Christian doctrine. In which case, it is not fulfilled prophecy at all.
Prophecies about historic events are one thing. But prophecies that find their fulfillment in the form of developed Christian doctrine are quite another and can easily be the *direct* result of the prophecy itself rather than something that came to pass independently.
The speaker at the end argues that a skeptic is choosing to rely on his own judgment about the Bible instead of the Bible's judgment about the Bible. But anyone who chooses to believe the Bible is still relying on his own judgment that the Bible is the WoG, is he not?
It is not possible for any man to disable his own sense of judgment in what he believes, whether Christian or not, or whether he believes the Bible is the WoG or not.
It seems you missed my point about Isaiah being a "self-fulfilling" prophecy.
No I didn't.
You seem to want to either to dismiss Isaiah's prophecies outright, or claim that Jesus' life and death and circumstances were somehow scripted in the most grand conspiracy of all in order to magically create "self-fulfilling" prophecy. This is the Stretch-of-Stretches.
Besides that, the extent of specificity of Isaiah's can't be denied.
Prophecies about historic events are one thing. But prophecies that find their fulfillment in the form of developed Christian doctrine are quite another and can easily be the *direct* result of the prophecy itself rather than something that came to pass independently.
That's such a stretch, bro.
Other prophets didn't know one another, living in different times -- yet they wrote independently.
Given the prophecies began as you describe, "developing Christian Doctrine," why shouldn't this phenomena from the various Prophets from Isaiah to Micah to Psalm to Genesis to Jeremiah also be considered divinely-directed, a tapestry of truth that wound up as White Robe of Jesus The Savior? If anything Isaiah and others not only help prove the Bible's prophecies are true, but who the Messiah was to be.
The collective weight of the thread of prophecies by the various prophets over centuries give no doubt as to its credibility or validity. IF you were to look up and examine "Old Testament Prophecies of Jesus" you'd be inundated by scriptural documentation.
The speaker at the end argues that a skeptic is choosing to rely on his own judgment about the Bible instead of the Bible's judgment about the Bible. But anyone who chooses to believe the Bible is still relying on his own judgment that the Bible is the WoG, is he not?
The Bible also tells us the truth is written in our heart. If He dwells in us we know the Truth.
The Bible also warns of those who shall remain blinded of their own volition.
I have cited scripture, and would in these cases, but I'm not sure it would do any good :-(
