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Title: Misleading MSN Article: The AR-15 and America's love of military-style weapons
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URL Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t ... tO0?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
Published: Feb 23, 2018
Author: staff
Post Date: 2018-02-23 13:28:14 by buckeroo
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The type of weapon, commonly known as the AR-15, is once again under scrutiny with critics calling for a ban after last week's massacre at a Florida high school that left 17 people dead. - Why are AR-15s so lethal? - The AR-15 is a semi-automatic weapon, meaning a user can fire off multiple shots in quick succession. Its cousin, the M-16, is a fully automatic version that has been used by the US military since Vietnam. Fully automatic weapons are banned for civilians. AR-15s fire high-velocity .223-caliber bullets that are accurate over long distances and cause expansive, devastating wounds to soft tissue and internal organs. These bullets – which travel at triple the speed of a handgun round – are popular among hunters for hitting targets up to a quarter of a mile (400 meters) away. Stephen Paddock, the killer in last October's mass shooting in Las Vegas, had amassed an arsenal of weapons including assault rifles. He fired more than 1,100 rounds from a hotel suite into a crowd of concertgoers more than 400 yards (meters) away. The toll was 58 dead and more than 800 injured, making it the deadliest mass shooting in recent US history. - Cheap and easy - Buying an AR-15 is easy. Depending on the state of residence, a prospective owner can walk into a gun shop and, after presenting a valid ID, buy a rifle or shotgun provided they can pass a federal background check. This process looks at a buyer's criminal history or whether he has ever been committed to a mental institution. But even this cursory check can be flouted in the case of private sales. Nikolas Cruz, the man police say carried out last week's massacre at a Florida high school, had legally purchased the AR-15-type weapon used in the attack and had passed an FBI background check. Aged just 18 at the time, the review didn't raise any red flags. In many states, one only needs to be 18 to buy an assault rifle – three years below the American age restriction on alcohol. Many Americans can simply go online and order weapons for delivery. AR-15s vary in price but can be bought for as little as $500. The National Rifle Association (NRA) touts them for recreational target practice, hunting and home defense, although experts question their value for the latter two uses. Part of the reason for assault weapons' popularity in America is that they are widely customizable, with owners able to add scopes, large-capacity magazines and a plethora of other accessories. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives doesn't know how many assault weapons there are in America – they are prohibited by federal law from keeping a gun registry database. According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the gun industry currently sells an estimated 1.3 million "modern sporting rifles and similar types of guns" each year. Estimates vary, but there are thought to be as many guns as people in America, which has a population of more than 320 million. Assault weapons were banned in 1994 under president Bill Clinton, but the restriction lapsed in 2004 amid pressure from the powerful NRA, and congressional efforts to renew the prohibition since then have failed. - Bump stocks - Vegas gunman Paddock increased the firing rate of the assault rifles he used with the addition of a "bump stock." Largely unheard of outside of America, these legal devices essentially turn a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic one. The devices clip on to the back end of a rifle and harness the gun's recoil to bounce the weapon's trigger off the user's finger. So, instead of a gunman having to squeeze the trigger repeatedly, the bump stock does the work for him, allowing him to empty a magazine in seconds. President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he would support moves to ban the devices, and the NRA has said bump stocks "should be subject to additional regulations."Time and again, America's worst mass shootings have featured a common thread: the killer's use of a military-style assault rifle that is inexpensive, easy to use and deadly efficient.
Did you notice the tone of the MSM - MSN Article was from "military-style weapons" to "Assault Weapons"; it is important as the MSM is seducing average Americans into a blind alley: all of these firearms are semi-automatic in nature; and they do not necessarily appear as "assault weapons."
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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)
I was considering whether I should finally buy an AR-15, an ammo stash and some accessories. I was thinking that I was being a little too much of a worrywart. Then I saw Ben Shapiro put out a video, saying that he was thinking the same thing and has been shopping for one himself. Shapiro's a smart guy, not extreme at all. So I'm reconsidering. The Trump election has ruined the huge sales enjoyed by Big Gun during the 0bama years. 0dinga was the greatest gun salesman in American history. But I think we'll see an uptick in gun purchases as a direct result of all the gungrabbing talk going on now. It's not exactly prophetic since that is what has happened after so many other massacres and the resulting calls for gungrabbing.
Anybody in the woods being charged by a bear or a wild boar better hope they have something like a semi-automatic 30-06. What are you going to do -- kneel down and sing kumbaya?
Can't such a purchase at this tyme be considered that you are another domestic terrorist as opposed to exercising your God given rights?
That's an option, isn't it? According to Jesus, just "turn the other cheek."
Not really. Here's the video I mentioned, cued up to 27:30. He mentions his own shopping for a gun at about 28:40. Ben points out that almost every gun, including six-shooters, are semi-automatics. He was pretty fiery in this clip. I got a kick out of Ben broadcasting from his bedroom. Those Orthodox Jews are pretty conservative, notice the twin beds.
I don't think Jesus was referring to wild animals.
... to a designated, federally licensed dealer who will then perform a background check by sending the buyer's information to the FBI.
So over a 10-year period we're talking about 13 million AR-15's and similar rifles? And how many of those were used in school shootings?
What protects us beyond the Second Amendment? Love of God, Love of government; Love of politicians or the sanctity of realization that personal defense is a God given right? This question includes the capability and capacity to defend ourselves based upon personal responsibility and judgement.
no gnu taxes: I don't think Jesus was referring to wild animals. He was referring to the belief to get your ass into perspective: your belief in "heaven" or "paradise" ... his fortitude had nothing to suggest of or about about your wild exclusion about "wild animals."
But also legally, within limits prescribed by the laws. Self-defense is not lawless. It has limits.
So define the limits. As an example, where are any parameters to study based on any written law that confines my rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to not defend myself? Are you deft, man? There is no such thing.
So you can just kill anyone in the pursuit of your happiness? "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is just a phrase in the Declaration of Independence. It's not in the Constitution or Bill of Rights or in statute. Your pursuit of happiness is an ideal, not a legal right.
Are you sure you know what you are describing? Frankly, I doubt you know much about individual freedoms and personal liberties or any ideas of personal dignities; the US Constitution and before it, the Declaration of Independence lays down the foundations not your dishonest and awkward interpretation of Ideals.
And once the background check is cleared,the buyer can then go to the gunshop,fill out the forms,pay the man,and pick up his new gun. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I dunno,but CNN and the Huff and Puff,and blow the homo rich hubby down,ington Post has reported the ones not invited to that party are extremely mad,and subject to shoot anyone because of it, In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
WTF?
Putting military "style" aside for a moment, there are millions of GENUINE Military weapons spread across the length and breadth of America. They're from many nations around the world, and many different calibers, shapes and sizes. Lock 'n Load. Come and take them! Molon Labe! I have 3 AR's and one lower receiver for building a custom 11.5 inch barrel short rifle, in the future. I suggest anyone that loves freedom own at least one. The short ones are awesome for getting in and out of a vehicle, or clearing classrooms with. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I have the AP-4. Got a good group rate going in with 15 others I served with in Iraq. We made it a commemorative edition for our rotation and invited 1st Cav vets to join in. Knocked the price down $200. Quite a few ranges don't like the AR-15 class damaging their targets but plenty of friends with land to play around.
AP4 Smart. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
He had 23 weapons in his hotel room, not all of them AR-15's. They included hanguns, .308 rifles, AK-47's (7.62mm) and AR-15's -- of which two had bump stocks. But we're to assume that he only used the AR-15's fitted with bumpfire stocks?
Whenever anyone says "I'm thinking of getting a gun", expect others to weigh in without invitation. AR-15's are nice if you're into customization. By that I mean turning a $700 rifle into a $2,000 rifle by replacing just about everything. You'll end up with a one-of-a-kind rifle with no history of reliability, durability or accuracy. But it looks cool. For a 2nd generation rifle. But if you want the latest and greatest 3rd generation assault rifle, you'd be looking at the civilian versions of the FN SCAR, H&K 416, SIG 556, CZ- 805 BREN, Beretta ARX 160, or the HS Produkt VHS assault rifle. These are modular, piston driven rifles with a military history. Little customization except for accessories. I'm a leftie, so I chose the Beretta ARX-100 (civilian version of the ARX-160). I love it. Disassembly with no tools. Reliable. 6.8 pounds. Folding stock. Ambidextrous. Dual extractors. 1:7 twist, chrome-lined, 4150 steel, cold hammer forged barrel. 2 MOA accuracy (standard military).
Actually, it was an invitation for others to comment. But it's actually "getting another gun". I'm not unarmed now. This is some good advice. When I bought my Glock pistol, I weighed all the similar customization options available for the M1911 platform. Ultimately, I just preferred the size and feel of the Glock 23 over the .45's that I'd shot. I'm no weapons expert by any means but know some sharp shooting guys. You need to pick a gun that fits you, that you're comfortable shooting. I wanted a little more punch than a .38 but didn't think a .45 would make a real difference. And I don't think I know enough to really customize an AR-15 or M1911 to make a reliable gun that I would like. Maybe I just haven't had enough experience with a broad enough range of accessories. Back in the day when an average kid could still work on a car without pricey electronic instruments, teens and young men built up their own hot rods. I think the M1911 and the AR-15 are a little like that. Guys that really want to study up, spending hundreds of hours at it, can probably configure a custom M1911/AR-15 to suit them exactly. But I think there is a large market, a majority, that tend to stick to the bog-standard rifles or they limit customizing to sights/triggers/stocks/lasers. Normally, I would go toward one of the other (pricier, less famous) alternatives you mention, the same way I went to a Glock 23 instead of the M1911 platform or even a cheaper Taurus or other "off the shelf" handgun. But I do keep thinking that there are times when I wish I would have picked a wheel gun. I think revolvers are still best for people who aren't expert in guns. And I wonder if my mistake was in not buying a good revolver instead of debating with myself whether to go with a classic Glock pistol like the 23 or a M1911 handgun. They seem a little pricey. I think their accommodation of lefty shooters raises their price a little even if the design seems pretty foolproof for both lefty and righty shooters. I otherwise liked what I read in the review at Guns & Ammo. I need to start finding some prices so I can compare these better. Do you have any sites to recommend that have good average prices on what to expect to spend on one of these rifles in the era of Trump? G&A doesn't tell us much about average prices across the country or at least I didn't notice that.
'Shotgun News' is your best bet for prices... It's geared for dealers selling to dealers, but most advertisers will sell to individuals if you go thru a ffl dealer... -- They even publish a list of cooperating local dealers...
Yeah, when compared to a standard AR-15. I see that the ARX-100 is currently priced at $1300 which is what I paid for mine a year ago. But these are piston rifles which average about $500 over a direct impingement rifle. Places to go to give you a rough idea of pricing: grabagun.com I would suggest first researching for the rifle you want, then searching for the best price. There are a million variants of AR-15's including building your own from scratch.
I like the reviews. I like that it is more suited for hunting. The price is pretty good. Then I started noticing price/package deals online for DPMS AR-15s. MSRP: $739, or GunsAmerica at $599 + $29.95 shipping to your local FFL shop. I found another new-in-box DPMS AR-15 for $399 + $30 shipping. Which almost sounds too low. But NIB is NIB and they seem to have a good reputation. That's a very compelling price on the AR-15. Ready for any customized options, considered a very good value AR-15 gun. The AP-4 is a little higher and customizing it seems unnecessarily hard/expensive with some common options seeming to be unavailable for the AP-4. Maybe I haven't shopped enough for the AP-4 accessories. I probably want a scope, not too high-end, along with a red-dot sight. And maybe basic flashlight/laser grip, not too bulky. Because half of the day, it's dark. Those accessories are very widely available for the AR-15 but it seems the AP-4 buyers aren't looking for as much customization. The AP-4 looks like a fine gun though. Reliable, stopping power, better range than an AR-15 will give you. I do kinda dislike buying an AR-15 because it just isn't quite a real hunting gun and the AP-4 is definitely as good for hunting as much as home defense against zombie armies and Google's robot killers. Maybe I just need to shop more to find a better price for the AP-4 and try harder to find the few accessories that I do want. Sometimes I just hate to shop. Having too many choices can make me less satisfied with my purchase. And overshopping really can ruin a purchase.
The AP-4 is the civilian version of the M-4. The M-16 with collapsible stock. We all had the Tac sites with option of the flashlight too. For my civilian version I just use iron sites. Probably because I want the boys to learn basic sites and zeroing before the fancy stuff. However here is something you might like to look at. BSA Tactical Sight/Laser/Flashlight Combo Item # WX2-231158 Mfg. Number: TW30RDLL UPC: 793676041506IN STOCK
I did find a gen-2 AP-4 tricked out with case, good stock and Redfield scope, barrel-mounted laser/flashlight, 3 spare large mags plus the stock mag. DPMS G2 AP4 .308/7.62NATO AR-10 Rifle SuperKit. $2285 + $56 shipping. That is the newer model with all the goodies most people will want. Really nice. It has everything, ready to go. You really couldn't go wrong with this gun. And it is hard to imagine that this gun would not meet any possible use I have for it. Just a sweet ready-to-go gun. I also see at places like BudsGunShop the gen-2 AP-4 basic model for $889. The AP-4 is the better all-around gun but I may be too cheap to buy one. Which is why we see such intense competition in the AR-15 platform. It is the Chevy of rifle industry and that results in fierce price competition, economies of scale in manufacturing guns and accessories, etc. If AR-15 is the Chevy, AP-4 (the AR-10 platform) is a Buick. Maybe I'm narrowing my list a little this way though. I'm determined to avoid overshopping. I'd could buy an AR-15 just for the lower price but I keep thinking that if I'm going to spend the money (and might not ever want to buy another gun if I make the right choice on this purchase), then I want a gun suited to at least medium-range shooting with accuracy and reliability. I don't want to save $500-$700 and then feel I had compromised too much on what may be my last major gun purchase. I want the right gun, the one I can be happy with for years to come. I have some doubts on that score with the AR-15. I do like these DPMS designs and price points overall. And it's hard not to like an American-made gun that offers good price and decent quality. I do like some of the other NATO guns (German, Czech, Italian) but I'm not so wild about buying a foreign gun instead of an American one. My Glock was a compromise since they had factories and after-market third-party accessory makers here in the States.
That's really nice. Obviously I wasn't shopping enough. So you could buy this sight/laser/flashlight for $100, the NIB AP-4 rifle, and a few spare mags and a smallish ammo stash (to get you past the 200-shot barrel break-in period) for under $1,500. That's pretty good. Do you use this for hunting or plinking targets or both?
DPMS is who we dealt with. Great customer service. Might get a better deal talking with them. Heck maybe get an LF group rate.:-) That's is everyone can pass the background check. :-)
Target shooting.
BTW The Bee has a real good one: Nation That Calls Trump ‘Hitler’ Demands He Take All Guns Away
Maybe I just need to shop more to find a better price for the AP-4 and try harder to find the few accessories that I do want. Sometimes I just hate to shop. Having too many choices can make me less satisfied with my purchase. And overshopping really can ruin a purchase. Do yourself a favor and just buy a FN-FAL in 7x57 or 7.62x51 caliber. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Well, I kinda hate Belgium and the EU generally. So that isn't a plus. And America never adopted it. I used to hear a lot about them 10-20 years ago and I know there are a lot of people who liked them. But I just don't hear anything about them any more. Are the classic FN-FAL rifles still being manufactured by the company? Or under license to others? I recall that when NATO got rid of theirs, the parts kits (minus uppers) were available dirt cheap for some years for gun hobbyists, before the SKS and AR-47 and AR-15 rifles got popular. I know those surplus NATO weapons were real cheap for a few years. I think the Century Arms L1A1 is an FN-FAL clone but I just don't find hardly any new guns that are FN-FAL. And the mint FALs from the NATO era are around $2,500 or so. Where would you buy a new one now? Or find the parts to build one?
These newer AR-15 pistol designs are very interesting. Cute even. They look like so much fun. If I was hanging out blasting away at the local gun club a lot, I would enjoy those. I even like those gen-2 Kriss Vectors using the Glock 9mm and .45 mags. I keep telling myself that those fun guns aren't very practical. It's amazing what they've done with the AR-15 platform over the years.
And believe it or not, an AR set up with a short barrel, doesn't suffer much noticeable decreased accuracy when compared to the 16 inch or longer barreled varieties. When I did transition drills (practicing going from rifle to sidearm, if the rifle empties or jams), I set up white balloons at 100 yards and we went through a lot of balloons. Many states have idiotic laws against AR's with shorter than 16' barrels, so keep that in mind. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I don't know where you can buy a new one because I haven't looked. The prime thing to consider if you want to buy one is to buy a "metric" version,not the British version. Lots more parts available,and they mostly aren't interchangeable. NATO got rid of theirs for political reasons,not functional reasons. The parts kits dried up because there was a ban on importing them when President Bubba,the patron saint of virtue,signed a law banning them from importation as Assault Weapons. You can still buy parts kits here: https://www.sargesmilitarysurplus.com/product/imbel-fn-fal/ that are Brazilian. You can buy new Semi-Auto receivers from them,or a few other sources. The good news is the parts kits come with new hammer forged military barrels that will last a LONG time. If you say "huh?" when someone says the word "headspace",do NOT try to put a kit together. Take it to a competent gunsmith that and have him do it. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
If I was hanging out blasting away at the local gun club a lot, I would enjoy those. Never mind my suggestion to buy a FN-FAL. You just want to blast away while being stylish. I think you would be happiest with something like a semi-auto Uzi,MAC-10,etc,etc,etc. FN-FAL's are Main Battle Rifles. I guess you could put one together in .223 if you wanted,but it would be expensive and you would still have a .223 when you are done. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Not really. It's like being tempted by a sports car when you're shopping for a pickup or SUV. You're tempted but stick to shopping for the practical vehicle. The FN-FAL is still considered one of the best (or the best) battle rifle of the Cold War era, going by reliability and ergonomics. You still see people making YouTube vids about it. No doubt, a fine gun. It surprises me that no one ever licensed the design to produce their own versions in large numbers. The FN-FAL has a better reputation than other guns who did get licensed and cloned by the millions. Like the endless stream of AK-47s and AR-15s. Experts don't seem to consider the AKs and ARs made for the civilian market to be in the same class of battle rifle as the FN-FAL. BTW, just how many people do just want to blast away while being stylish down at the range with their shooting buddies? Having fun guns that you just like may contribute to practice time. The gun you actually shoot regularly is more valuable than the "serious battle rifle" that just sits in your closet, awaiting the zombie apocalypse, the attack of Google's SkyNet robot hordes, or Civil War II when America's all-gay all-tranny military goes door to door to take our guns. Besides, I am enough of a killjoy already. Maybe I should give fun a chance. But I am much more likely to be 1) cheap and 2) practical. It's a character defect. Or I'm just getting old. : )
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#2. To: buckeroo (#0)
#3. To: Tooconservative (#1)
I was considering whether I should finally buy an AR-15, an ammo stash and some accessories.
#4. To: no gnu taxes (#2)
Anybody in the woods being charged by a bear or a wild boar better hope they have something like a semi-automatic 30-06. What are you going to do -- kneel down and sing kumbaya?
#5. To: buckeroo, sneakypete (#3)
#6. To: buckeroo (#4)
According to Jesus, just "turn the other cheek."
#7. To: buckeroo (#0)
Many Americans can simply go online and order weapons for delivery ...
#8. To: buckeroo (#0)
the gun industry currently sells an estimated 1.3 million "modern sporting rifles and similar types of guns" each year.
#9. To: Tooconservative (#5)
#10. To: no gnu taxes (#6)
buckeroo: According to Jesus, just "turn the other cheek."
#11. To: buckeroo (#9)
This question includes the capability and capacity to defend ourselves based upon personal responsibility and judgement.
#12. To: Tooconservative (#11)
Self-defense is not lawless. It has limits.
#13. To: buckeroo (#12)
So define the limits. As an example, where are any parameters to study based on any written law that confines my rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to not defend myself?
#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)
Your pursuit of happiness is an ideal, not a legal right.
#15. To: misterwhite (#7)
. to a designated, federally licensed dealer who will then perform a background check by sending the buyer's information to the FBI.
#16. To: misterwhite (#8)
So over a 10-year period we're talking about 13 million AR-15's and similar rifles? And how many of those were used in school shootings?
#17. To: buckeroo (#10)
He was referring to the belief to get your ass into perspective: your belief in "heaven" or "paradise" ... his fortitude had nothing to suggest of or about about your wild exclusion about "wild animals."
#18. To: buckeroo, millions of military weapons, in the hands of American peons, *Bang List* (#0)
#19. To: Tooconservative (#1)
I was considering whether I should finally buy an AR-15
#20. To: Tooconservative (#1)
I was considering whether I should finally buy an AR-15, an ammo stash and some accessories. I was thinking that I was being a little too much of a worrywart. Then I saw Ben Shapiro put out a video, saying that he was thinking the same thing and has been shopping for one himself. Shapiro's a smart guy, not extreme at all. So I'm reconsidering.
#21. To: redleghunter (#20)
Got a good group rate going in with 15 others I served with in Iraq. We made it a commemorative edition for our rotation and invited 1st Cav vets to join in. Knocked the price down $200.
#22. To: buckeroo (#0)
"Stephen Paddock, the killer in last October's mass shooting in Las Vegas, had amassed an arsenal of weapons including assault rifles."
#23. To: Tooconservative (#1)
"I was considering whether I should finally buy an AR-15 ..."
#24. To: misterwhite, redleghunter (#23)
Whenever anyone says "I'm thinking of getting a gun", expect others to weigh in without invitation.
But if you want the latest and greatest 3rd generation assault rifle, you'd be looking at the civilian versions of the FN SCAR, H&K 416, SIG 556, CZ- 805 BREN, Beretta ARX 160, or the HS Produkt VHS assault rifle. These are modular, piston driven rifles with a military history. Little customization except for accessories.
I'm a leftie, so I chose the Beretta ARX-100 (civilian version of the ARX-160). I love it. Disassembly with no tools. Reliable. 6.8 pounds. Folding stock. Ambidextrous. Dual extractors. 1:7 twist, chrome-lined, 4150 steel, cold hammer forged barrel. 2 MOA accuracy (standard military).
#25. To: Tooconservative (#24)
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I need to start finding some prices so I can compare these better.
#26. To: Tooconservative (#24)
They seem a little pricey.
gunbroker.com
budsgunshop.com
cabelas.com
#27. To: redleghunter, sneakypete, misterwhite (#20)
I have the AP-4. Got a good group rate going in with 15 others I served with in Iraq. We made it a commemorative edition for our rotation and invited 1st Cav vets to join in. Knocked the price down $200.
#28. To: Tooconservative (#27)
#29. To: redleghunter (#20)
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#30. To: redleghunter (#28)
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BSA Tactical Sight/Laser/Flashlight Combo
#31. To: Tooconservative (#29)
I do like these DPMS designs and price points overall.
#32. To: Tooconservative (#30)
Do you use this for hunting or plinking targets or both?
#33. To: Tooconservative, Liberator, A K A Stone (#30)
#34. To: Tooconservative (#27)
The AP-4 looks like a fine gun though. Reliable, stopping power, better range than an AR-15 will give you. I do kinda dislike buying an AR-15 because it just isn't quite a real hunting gun and the AP-4 is definitely as good for hunting as much as home defense against zombie armies and Google's robot killers.
#35. To: sneakypete (#34)
Do yourself a favor and just buy a FN-FAL in 7x57 or 7.62x51 caliber.
#36. To: GrandIsland (#19)
I have 3 AR's and one lower receiver for building a custom 11.5 inch barrel short rifle, in the future.
#37. To: Tooconservative (#36)
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#38. To: Tooconservative (#35)
(Edited)
Where would you buy a new one now? Or find the parts to build one?
#39. To: Tooconservative (#36)
These newer AR-15 pistol designs are very interesting. Cute even. They look like so much fun.
#40. To: sneakypete, GrandIsland (#39)
Never mind my suggestion to buy a FN-FAL. You just want to blast away while being stylish.
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