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Title: U.S. judge tells Christian churches they must cover abortion
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u ... -cover-abortion-in-insurance-p
Published: Sep 11, 2017
Author: Mark Hodges
Post Date: 2017-09-11 17:07:39 by redleghunter
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U.S. judge tells Christian churches they must cover abortion in insurance plan Fr. Mark Hodges l Life Site News Monday September 11, 2017

SACRAMENTO, California, September 11, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) -- A federal judge told three Christian congregations in California that they have no case in wanting to opt out of the state’s requirement that they cover abortions through their health insurance plans.

U.S. District Court Judge Kimberly Mueller upheld a 2014 requirement of the California Department of Managed Health Care (DMHC) that all employers throughout the state must pay for abortion insurance for their employees. She told the three churches that they failed to state an adequate claim.

The churches — Foothill Church in Glendora, Calvary Chapel Chino Hills in Chino, and The Shepherd of the Hills Church in Porter Ranch — sued the state in 2014 after being informed that they could not prohibit or restrict coverage for elective abortions.

The churches "believe and teach that abortion destroys an innocent human life" and "participation in, facilitation of, or payment for an elective abortion is a grave sin," according to court documents.

The DMHC reclassified abortion as “a basic health care service” in 2014 under ObamaCare, making abortion insurance a mandatory provision for all business, regardless of the employer’s sincerely held beliefs.

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#1. To: redleghunter (#0)

U.S. judge tells Christian churches they must cover abortion in insurance plan Fr. Mark Hodges l Life Site News Monday September 11, 2017

I thought this was already decided and it was knocked down? via Hobby lobby!

But I guess demoncraps can keep pushing things until they get a vote they like no matter how many times its turn down!

Justified  posted on  2017-09-11   17:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#0)

Raise eveyone's pay by the cost of the insurance and stop offering it.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-11   18:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: redleghunter (#0)

Meh. There will be further appeals, first to a panel of Ninth Circus justices, then to the full Ninth Circus, then to the US Supreme Court.

It's very unlikely this case is over, one way or another.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-11   19:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#0)

Normally I would say no judge has a right to tell a church anything,but once you log on as a parasitic organization that doesn't pay taxes,your independence goes out the window.

If you aren't willing to be a whore,you shouldn't ask for and take the money.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-12   1:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#3)

It's very unlikely this case is over, one way or another.

A case that can be fought for forever,with people with deep pockets on each side and neither willing to give.

A lawyers wet dream come true. Lawyers might like winning,but not as much as trying the same case over and over and getting paid for it over and over.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-12   1:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#5)

Lawyers might like winning,but not as much as trying the same case over and over and getting paid for it over and over.

True that. It's like any other business - once you've got the assembly line and supply chain in place, you want to keep it going as fast as you can because you're just printing money.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-12   6:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#4)

If you aren't willing to be a whore,you shouldn't ask for and take the money.

What money are they asking for?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-12   17:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: redleghunter (#0)

U.S. District Court Judge Kimberly Mueller upheld a 2014 requirement of the California Department of Managed Health Care (DMHC) that all employers throughout the state must pay for abortion insurance for their employees. She told the three churches that they failed to state an adequate claim.

This is just the way it works. A California District Court rules bullcrap, the 9th Circus upholds bullcrap, and the Supreme Court strikes down bullcrap. About 80% of 9th Circus cases which are reviewed are vacated or overturned by SCOTUS.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-12   18:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: redleghunter (#7)

If you aren't willing to be a whore,you shouldn't ask for and take the money.

What money are they asking for?

Tax breaks for being a religion,government contracts to "hep de po",etc,etc,etc.

Maybe 10 years ago when Willie Brown was the Mayor of San Francisco,he and the city council passed an ordinance that any business that had city contracts had to meet the city anti-discrimination regulations by hiring male and female homosexuals,as well as the whatevers that can't figure out what it is they like.

The Catholic Archdiocese there threw a hissy-fit at having to hire outside help that were homosexuals,instead of mostly using the Nuns that are voluntary slaves,and took it to court claiming it faced an unfair burden on them because they would lose 5 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN CITY CONTRACTS unless they violated their religious beliefs.

The court ruled in favor of the city and said there was nothing that required the Catholic Church to bid on city contracts,and that they could continue to help the poor and needy on their own dime.

They caved and started paying same sex and unmarried couples the same benefits they were paying married heterosexuals.

In this case we know their faith was worth at least 5 million dollars a year to them.

And it's not just the Catholic Church. They ALL dip their beaks into the public treasury in order to get paid for doing what they should be doing anyway in order to justify their tax-free status.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-12   19:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#8)

This is just the way it works. A California District Court rules bullcrap, the 9th Circus upholds bullcrap, and the Supreme Court strikes down bullcrap. About 80% of 9th Circus cases which are reviewed are vacated or overturned by SCOTUS.

So,you think churches should be treated differently than any other organizations with city or state contracts?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-12   19:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#9)

Tax breaks for being a religion,government contracts to "hep de po",etc,etc,etc.

Church members are citizens and pay taxes.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-12   21:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

So,you think churches should be treated differently than any other organizations with city or state contracts?

What do contracts have to do with abortion?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-12   21:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#10)

So,you think churches should be treated differently than any other organizations with city or state contracts?

I said that?????

Anyway, all should be treated the same and none should be ordered to violate their faith to subsidize something at government demand.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-12   22:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#9) (Edited)

The Catholic Archdiocese there threw a hissy-fit at having to hire outside help that were homosexuals,instead of mostly using the Nuns that are voluntary slaves...

Many, probably most, have taken a vow of holy poverty to serve the Church in its mission. It is quite voluntary and they can leave at any time.

I'd find fault with a lot of other people before I'd bash nuns doing charity work. I was born in a Catholic hospital, the only one around with any quality services. I think it cost my dad less than $100 for me and mom to stay there a few days after delivery. Those "voluntary slave" nuns changed my first diapers so my mom could rest before going home to her other 3 toddlers.

We Prots had no use for the Catholic church but we respected and obeyed those nuns in their hospital. The quality of care in the hospital changed greatly for the worse when the nuns stopped running their hospital and a new one was built, staffed with regular nurses. I'd take those old nuns any day.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-12   22:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan (#13)

Anyway, all should be treated the same and none should be ordered to violate their faith to subsidize something at government demand.

I was under the impression the Constitution precluded the State making laws that impacted on the conduct of a religion.

Insurance should be like any other contract, you opt into some things and you opt out of others, cross subsidisation should be minimised

paraclete  posted on  2017-09-12   23:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: paraclete (#15)

I was under the impression the Constitution precluded the State making laws that impacted on the conduct of a religion.

Just as a historical note, the federal government was precluded from establishing a state church. The states were not similarly forbidden on matters of free speech, assembly, state religion, etc.

Look through the Bill of Rights. It is the federal government, not the states, which are forbidden from doing any number of things.

Of course, over the course of time, the Supremes and Congress have narrowed (or expanded) the scope of this but originally the states were quite powerful in the scope of actions they could take and the federal government was quite weak and limited.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-12   23:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: redleghunter (#11)

Church members are citizens and pay taxes.

Isn't that a lot like saying "she doesn't sweat much for a fat girl."?

Church members may pay taxes,BUT CHURCHES DON'T.

Beyond that,they pull in millions from getting paid by the government to provide services they are supposed to be doing anyhow in order to justify their tax-exempt status.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   7:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter (#12)

So,you think churches should be treated differently than any other organizations with city or state contracts?

What do contracts have to do with abortion?

What does abortion have to do with scamming government contracts?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   7:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nolu chan (#13)

Anyway, all should be treated the same and none should be ordered to violate their faith to subsidize something at government demand.

I agree.

Nor should they be getting paid to do things they are already supposed to be doing to justify their current tax-exempt status.

PLEASE note that NOBODY was forcing the Catholic Church in San Francisco to pay the same benefits to same sex couples as they were paying to opposite sex married couples. If they had wanted to stand on the principles they claim to believe in,ALL they had to have done was lost those city contracts. Instead they decided to pimp themselves out like the whores they are for government contract money.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   7:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative (#14)

I'd find fault with a lot of other people before I'd bash nuns doing charity work.

I am not bashing nuns for doing charity work. I am bashing their pimps in the church that charge the government/we taxpayers for their work at prevalent wages while paying them poverty wages.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   7:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: paraclete (#15)

I was under the impression the Constitution precluded the State making laws that impacted on the conduct of a religion.

The state didn't force the Catholic Church to do anything. THEY agreed to compromise their stated moral standards for cash money,just like every other whore.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   7:38:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#20) (Edited)

I am bashing their pimps in the church that charge the government/we taxpayers for their work at prevalent wages while paying them poverty wages.

It was Jorge Arbusto who got churches into the charity-for-pay business. Back when I was born, no Catholic entities were sucking up government money in the way they started to do over the last decade.

I'm not sure that orders of nuns are involved in compensated "charity" work though. Catholic Charities are but that is not a nun-run enterprise AFAIK.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-13   7:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)

It was Jorge Arbusto who got churches into the charity-for-pay business.

BullBush. First of all,pretty much anything beyond dialing a cell phone was too difficult for Boy Jorge,so don't try to convince me he was the mastermind beyond anything more complex than buying luncch.

Secondly,churches have been doing this since they were invented,and it's probably the prime reason churches came into existence.

Prior to the Reformation,the Catholic Church even charged taxes as well as had arrest and prosecution powers. They were a shadow government everywhere they existed,and there was damn little shadow. Even Kings and Queens had to kiss Papal ass to survive.

That's one reason,maybe even the prime reason,so many Protestant Church leaders hate Catholic officials. Professional jealousy.

Not much has changed since then except for they are MUCH more subtle about it today.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   8:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#23)

BullBush. First of all,pretty much anything beyond dialing a cell phone was too difficult for Boy Jorge,so don't try to convince me he was the mastermind beyond anything more complex than buying luncch.

No, it really was Bush & Co. who did it. A lot of conservatives opposed it for reasons that shortly became clear. "Charities" supporting and enabling illegal aliens to receive services, gay marriage in the courts, forced abortion coverage in 0bamaCare, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-13   8:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Tooconservative (#24)

A lot of conservatives opposed it for reasons that shortly became clear. "Charities" supporting and enabling illegal aliens to receive services, gay marriage in the courts, forced abortion coverage in 0bamaCare, etc.

And EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM profiting from doing so,on top of the tax breaks they get for supposedly doing it anyhow.

BIG profits in charity,and it's all tax-free.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   9:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#24)

No, it really was Bush & Co. who did it.

The "Bush and Company" are key. I personally believe that Boy Jorge,if left to his own devices where his handlers weren't giving him orders,would be a very nice man that pretty much anyone would enjoy talking with. I honestly don't think he has an evil bone in his body. He's just not very bright and doesn't have a strong personality. He is a follower,not a leader,and he knows it. Most likely because his mother Babs is a truly evil woman,as well as very bright. She is a brighter version of Hillary Clinton,but with charm. Which makes her a lot more dangerous than Bubbette! She handled Poppy,and she is still handling her boys,mostly via their wives. Unlike Boy Jorge,she doesn't have a bone in her body that ISN'T evil.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-13   9:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#26)

Bush was an affable idiot, scion of an established political dynasty. Much like Gore, just less kooky overall.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-13   9:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#17)

Beyond that,they pull in millions from getting paid by the government to provide services they are supposed to be doing anyhow in order to justify their tax-exempt status.

That's news to me Pete. My church does not take federal or state revenue.

Are you talking about disaster relief where 75% of the resources used come from church resources?

Or are you talking about a huge organization like Catholic Services which works hand in hand with social workers to get people on social welfare and food stamps? Because not even Catholic Services 'takes' federal or state funds to build facilities or pay for employment.

Coordinating, and supplementing services provided by state and federal entities in not accepting public funding.

This should help:

Irma Faith Groups Provide Bulk Disaster-Recovery Relief

After Harvey Please Don't Forget About Us

Convoy of Hope Disaster response and recovery

Christians-organizations-churches lead way

Loud Faith in Irmas wake

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-14   13:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13, Liberator (#18)

What does abortion have to do with scamming government contracts?

You missed the point of the article or ignored it to get on your anti-Theist soapbox.

Insurance policies are flexible for employers. They get to choose what they do or don't cover through their insurance exchanges or brokers. Same goes for churches which provide insurance for their employees. However, the state of CA has decided that abortion is a 'basic women's health provision' and anyone who employs residents of CA must have abortion coverage.

The churches are balking as they know abortion is murder and immoral. Not to mention forcing such a procedure as elective abortions on a religious or faith group against their conscience is a violation of their first amendment rights to freely exercise their religion.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-14   13:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#21)

The state didn't force the Catholic Church to do anything. THEY agreed to compromise their stated moral standards for cash money,just like every other whore.

I would like to examine your source for the above. Be specific which contracts you speak of.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-14   13:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: redleghunter, sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#28)

Excellent links and explanation of how things really work.

I think Pete makes the same mistake many make; They conflate the scams and exemption exploitation of some church leaders and apply criticism with a broad brush to ALL of them.

The truth is, for decades both Catholic and Protestant churches have helped the needy, the poor, the sick. Without both, countless many simply would not have survived.

While growing up in Harlem in the 1930s early 1940s, the local RCC would provide clothing, food, and relief to their parishioners -- one family was my father's.

Gubmint wasn't such a big help for these LEGAL, hard-working American immigrants back then. It's wasn't until LBJ's Great Socialist Society @ mid-1960s that certain churches figured out how to incorporate tax status into personal fortunes while aiding and abetting Democrats turn the USA into a Socialist-Commie Third-World nation.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-14   13:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: redleghunter, sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#29)

...The state of CA has decided that abortion is a 'basic women's health provision' and anyone who employs residents of CA must have abortion coverage.

The churches are balking as they know abortion is murder and immoral. Not to mention forcing such a procedure as elective abortions on a religious or faith group against their conscience is a violation of their first amendment rights to freely exercise their religion.

AMEN!

Atheists can always be counted on to cheer on this official disrespect, hostility and hatred onward toward Christians.

This coercion is obviously illegal. But for SOME reason, Christians are now targeted for bigotry, persecution, and open hatred. EVEN BY LEGISLATORS. Supposed "Christian" 0bama opened up THAT can o' worms, that lying POC....as the "Christian" Bushes remained silent.

We are about to find out whether the US actually abides in a Constitution, OR whether it's just a prop at this point. The evidence suggests we are in an open state of constitutional anarchy as outlaw legislators and Congress are actively selectively refusing to enforce some major amendments and Constitutional law.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-14   14:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#29)

You missed the point of the article or ignored it to get on your anti-Theist soapbox.

The % that Pete understands or tries to understand the point of the article and hypocritical, unconstitutional fascist CA policy is pegged at .0001%.

Hating Christians means he'd rather ride shotgun with Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the anarchists and fascists masquerading as "Reps."

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-14   14:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: redleghunter (#30)

I would like to examine your source for the above. Be specific which contracts you speak of.

Check the archives in the San Francisco ( The Chronicle?) from the time of Willie Brown's last term as Mayor.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-15   20:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#33)

The % that Pete understands or tries to understand the point of the article and hypocritical, unconstitutional fascist CA policy is pegged at .0001%.

I understand it perfectly. It's slaves like you with your head in a bag who are the ones who are blind and confused.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-15   20:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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