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Title: 10 sailors missing after Navy destroyer John S. McCain collides with merchant vessel
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Navy Times
URL Source: http://www.navytimes.com/news/your- ... collides-with-merchant-vessel/
Published: Aug 20, 2017
Author: Geoff Ziezulewicz and David B. Larter
Post Date: 2017-08-20 23:13:07 by nolu chan
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10 sailors missing after Navy destroyer John S. McCain collides with merchant vessel By: Geoff Ziezulewicz and David B. Larter Ten sailors were missing early Monday after the destroyer John S. McCain collided with a merchant vessel in the South China Sea, 7th Fleet officials said. It was the second major collision involving a U.S. Navy warship in the Pacific region in recent months, following one on June 17 involving the destroyer Fitzgerald off the coast of Japan, in which seven sailors died. Details on the collision Monday remain sparse, but Navy officials said in a statement that “search and rescue efforts are underway in coordination with local authorities.” The Navy issued a statement saying 10 sailors were missing and five sailors suffered minor injuries. The McCain’s sailors are fighting flooding in two crew berthings and in shaft alley, which is a space aft of the main engineering spaces where shafts that rotate the ship’s propellers run through. The collision with the Liberian-flagged merchant vessel Alnic MC happened while the U.S. ship was underway east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca at 6:24 a.m. local time, according to Navy officials. Unlike the collision between the destroyer Fitzgerald and the ACX Crystal off Japan in June, most of the crew would be up and moving around at that time. The Alnic MC is a 600-foot oil and chemical tanker with a gross tonnage of 30,000, according to a Navy release. The tanker is about three times the size of the McCain.
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#1. To: All (#0)
Again? What the hell was the Navy destroyer doing?? Even when you have the right of way, yield to a tanker. They can get out of the way approximately as well as Titanic got out of the way of an iceberg.
Two major collisions in less than 2 months is not good. The one in July was in a pretty high traffic sea lane. So is this collision.
Were the hell was the RADAR and who was in command? The new incompetent navy.
Disgruntled sailors gone suicidal because Trump canceled their sex change operations?
The three amigos together again! pic.twitter.com/IciasfFaPJ — John McCain (@SenJohnMcCain) August 19, 2017 The way that the Stain is nuzzling Lady Lindsey's hand makes me uncomfortable. Is it just me or is Lieberman turning into Howdy Doody?
If I were a CT I might just think China is using tankers as a way to get US Navy ships out of the way. I also wonder how is it that a Navy ship with all its radar defense lets a tanker of all things sneak up on it, TWICE!!
Did you notice that McCain is where is "Songbird" shirt?
I thought US ships were equipped with modern technology such as radar and sonar, etc and therefore it is reasonable to expect a 24 hour watch is kept particularly in busy shipping lanes. It seems this stealth tanker might have done the unthinkable and stopped in the path of a US warship. Don't let North Korea get this technology or they will win the war with their rust bucket fleet
The 10 sailors are still missing. The USS McStain is steaming back to Singapore. Video of the damage: HotAir, mentioning the initial results of the Fitzgerald investigation, today: The captain at the time, CDR Bryce Benson, has been relieved of duty, as were two other senior officers, CDR Sean Babbitt and Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin. … The ship’s captain, along with the officers and men on watch that night are considered to have made critical mistakes which caused the collision. The Navy Times reports that more disciplinary action will be coming. Now, however, one has to wonder whether these two incidents are coincidental anomalies, or a symptom of unreadiness in the Pacific fleet.
They claim to be hiking in Arizona, so maybe they're headed over to Gatlin's Canary Sanctuary? The Fitzgerald analysis was fairly simple. The tanker sort of T-boned it on the starboard side. It would seem inescapable that the tanker had the right of way. With this one torn up on the port side, it may have technically had the right of way. But it is like racing your car to get across the railroad tracks. Whether the train is coming from the right or left, it isn't stopping and it can't get out of the way. In a collision between a tin can and a tanker, tanker wins. The smaller, more maneuverable ship gets out of the way. I just wonder what the hell is going on out there.
Nope. Tankers are not maneuverable enough to do that. The much more maneuverable destroyers should be getting out of the way. Beside radar, there's sonar and eyeballs on watch.
Well, being as petty as I am, I just craved some closure to find out how the Fitzgerald story is ending. So I was glad that HotAir included that info.
In theory. Maybe they were all busy playing Candy Crush on their smartphones and filling out applications to get sex changes. Anyway, you've had a nice thread here with mostly on-topic posts.
I see that HotAir had further reporting today. It seems the Malaysian Navy found a body floating in open water. Divers have located the remains of several sailors in the McCain but they aren't giving details just yet. They also mentioned this: The USS Antietam, also a guided-missile cruiser, ran aground off the coast of Japan in February, damaging its propellers and spilling oil into the water. So there is reason for the Navy chiefs to conduct a serious review of naval competence across the Pacific fleet. We can't just ignore the neglect of the military during the 0bama years. It took its toll.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/22/remains-navy-sailors-found-on-uss-john-s-mccain.html By Katherine Lam Remains of some of the Navy sailors who went missing after a collision between USS John S. McCain and a tanker near Singapore were found in a compartment aboard the destroyer, Commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet Adm. Scott Swift said Tuesday. Swift said "some remains" were found in sealed compartments during their search on Tuesday and Malaysian officials said they found one body, but were still in the process of identifying it. [snip]
I feel offended that they named a naval ship after a civil war battle.
Well, some would say that it celebrates a victory over General Lee's army who was forced to withdraw from their invasion of Maryland, considered to be Lee's grand play to win the war for the Confederacy. McClellan had halted Lee's invasion of Maryland, but Lee was able to withdraw his army back to Virginia without interference from the cautious McClellan. McClellan's refusal to pursue Lee's army led to his removal from command by President Abraham Lincoln in November. Although the battle was tactically inconclusive, the Confederate troops had withdrawn first from the battlefield, making it a Union strategic victory. It was a sufficiently significant victory to give Lincoln the confidence to announce his Emancipation Proclamation, which discouraged the British and French governments from pursuing any potential plans to recognize the Confederacy. But just to be safe, we should sink the USS Antietam because some neo-Confederates might think otherwise.
Not to complain but it seems your FNC excerpt conveys the same info as mine did. Unless you posted it just to confirm the earlier reporting from HotAir's article which derived from reporting by AP, ABC, CBS and Stripes.com. They're probably all just reporting from the same exact sources at the Pentagon. I was interested as well in the grounding of the Antietam. I found a bit more on Wiki which based this summary on reporting from Stars & Stripes, Navy Times, CNN, and USNI News.
Is it just me or is Lieberman turning into Howdy Doody? " Maybe Stain & Lady Lindsey are coming out of the closet? I think we all already knew. I think your right about Lieberman, LOL !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I don't know what the problem is with the US Navy. But it is obvious that we have some REALLY BIG, BIG PROBLEMS !!!! WE HAVE TO CORRECT THOSE PROBLEMS REAL DAMN QUICK !!!! If we have these kinds of problems with surface ships, how squared away are the sub fleet, aviation wing, etc ? And do we have problems of similar magnitude/import with the Air Force, Army, Marines ? How much of these problems are a result of 8 years of Obutthole ? Whatever the problem, or the cause, WE NEED TO CORRECT IT LIKE YESTERDAY, PDQ !!!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Is that Clarabell standing to his right ? Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I'm not sure. But Liebertroll looks insane in that pic.
A bit more today: HotAir: Bad news for the U.S. 7th Fleet Commander You've probably already guessed that the bad news was that he was relieved of his command. Not much else in the article we haven't already read.
Sorry, I didn't notice how similar it was. It was the first I saw citing a named Navy official as its source.
I'm not sure I suffered enough to deserve a 'sorry'. : )
The Alnic MC is a 600-foot oil and chemical tanker with a gross tonnage of 30,000, according to a Navy release. The tanker is about three times the size of the McCain.
#2. To: nolu chan (#0)
Crowded sea lanes helps explain these accidents but they won't excuse them to the Navy chiefs back at the Pentagon.
"The strait is the main shipping channel between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean, linking major Asian economies such as India, China, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea. Over 94,000 vessels[3] pass through the strait each year (2008) making it the busiest strait in world,[4] carrying about 25% of the world's traded goods, including oil, Chinese manufactured products, and Indonesian coffee.[5] About a quarter of all oil carried by sea passes through the Strait, mainly from Persian Gulf suppliers to Asian markets. In 2007, an estimated 13.7 million barrels per day were transported through the strait, increasing to an estimated 15.2 million barrels per day in 2011.[6] In addition, it is also one of the world's most congested shipping choke points because it narrows to only 2.8 km (1.5 nautical miles) wide at the Phillips Channel (close to the south of Singapore)." - Wiki
#3. To: nolu chan (#0)
10 sailors missing after Navy destroyer John S. McCain collides with merchant vessel
#4. To: nolu chan (#0)
#5. To: nolu chan (#0)
#6. To: A Pole (#5)
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#7. To: hondo68 (#6)
#8. To: nolu chan (#0)
#9. To: Tooconservative, hondo68 (#7)
#10. To: Tooconservative (#2)
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Crowded sea lanes helps explain these accidents but they won't excuse them to the Navy chiefs back at the Pentagon.
#11. To: nolu chan (#0)
The Navy has not yet released the results of its investigation into what happened to the Fitzgerald, but it has relieved its senior command of duty — actions that had just been announced on Thursday: The captain of the destroyer, USS Fitzgerald, two senior officers and at least a dozen sailors are being disciplined for the horrifying collision that killed seven sailors in June off the coast of Japan.
#12. To: Justified, Canary Clan, Gatlin (#9)
Did you notice that McCain is where is "Songbird" shirt?
#13. To: Tooconservative (#11)
HotAir, mentioning the initial results of the Fitzgerald investigation, today:
#14. To: Justified (#8)
If I were a CT I might just think China is using tankers as a way to get US Navy ships out of the way.
#15. To: nolu chan (#13)
The Fitzgerald analysis was fairly simple. The tanker sort of T-boned it on the starboard side. It would seem inescapable that the tanker had the right of way.
#16. To: nolu chan (#14)
(Edited)
Beside radar, there's sonar and eyeballs on watch.
#17. To: nolu chan (#14)
ABC News recounts the other incidents that went largely unremarked until the two major collisions: The USS Lake Champlain, a guided missile cruiser, collided with a fishing boat in the Sea of Japan in May. There were no injuries during that incident. The Navy ship tried to alert the fishing boat before the collision, but it was too late.
#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)
Remains of Navy sailors found on USS John S. McCain
Published August 22, 2017 Fox News
#19. To: Tooconservative (#17)
The USS Antietam, also a guided-missile cruiser,
#20. To: Pinguinite (#19)
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Despite having superiority of numbers, McClellan's attacks failed to achieve force concentration, which allowed Lee to counter by shifting forces and moving interior lines to meet each challenge. Therefore, despite ample reserve forces that could have been deployed to exploit localized successes, McClellan failed to destroy Lee's army.
#21. To: nolu chan (#18)
Remains of Navy sailors found on USS John S. McCain
USNI included a mention of a 2009 grounding. On 31 January 2017, commanded by CAPT Joseph Carrigan, Antietam ran aground in Tokyo Bay near its home port of Yokosuka, Japan. Antietam was anchored off the coast in 30 knot winds and a strong tide when the crew noticed the ship was dragging its anchor. They got the ship underway, but shortly after doing so, they felt the ship shudder as it lost all pitch control in both propellers. They had run aground on a shoal with damage to both propellers and one of the propeller hubs, causing 1,100 US gallons (4,200 l) of hydraulic oil to leak into the water.[4][5] No personnel were injured during the incident.[6] Repairs are expected to cost at least $4.2 million.[7] The last major grounding of a Ticonderoga-class cruiser was USS Port Royal (CG-73) off of Hawaii in 2009. The repairs cost more than $40 million in then-year dollars – though the damage was much more extensive than the early reports from Antietam.
#22. To: Tooconservative (#7)
" The way that the Stain is nuzzling Lady Lindsey's hand makes me uncomfortable.
#23. To: nolu chan (#0)
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#24. To: Tooconservative (#7)
" is Lieberman turning into Howdy Doody? "
#25. To: Stoner (#24)
#26. To: Stoner, Pinguinite, nolu chan, misterwhite (#23)
#27. To: Tooconservative (#21)
Not to complain but it seems your FNC excerpt conveys the same info as mine did.
#28. To: nolu chan (#27)
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