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Title: Secessionists push for South to break away from US again
Source: ABC News
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ ... s-push-south-break-us-49173205
Published: Aug 12, 2017
Author: jay reeves, associated press
Post Date: 2017-08-12 11:44:29 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 160
Comments: 10

As 21st century activists seek to topple monuments to the 19th century Confederate rebellion, some white Southerners are again advocating for what the Confederates tried and failed to do: secede from the Union.

It's not an easy argument to win, and it's not clear how much support the idea has: The leading Southern nationalist group, the Alabama-based League of the South, has been making the same claim for more than two decades and still has an address in the U.S.A., not the C.S.A.

But the idea of a break-away Southern nation persists.

The League of the South's longtime president, retired university professor Michael Hill of Killen, Alabama, posted a message in July that began, "Fight or die white man" and went on to say Southern nationalists seek "nothing less than the complete reconquest and restoration of our patrimony — the whole, entire South."

"And that means the South will once again be in name and in actuality White Man's Land. A place where we and our progeny can enjoy Christian liberty and the fruits of our own labor, unhindered by parasitical 'out groups,'" said Hill's message, posted on the group's Facebook page a day after a rally in support of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia.

The group's website says it is "waging a war to win the minds and hearts of the Southern people,"

While white-controlled government is its goal, the group says in a statement of beliefs that it offers "good will and cooperation to Southern blacks in areas where we can work together as Christians to make life better for all people in the South."

According to the U.S. Census, 55 percent of the nation's black population lived in the South in 2010, and 105 Southern counties had a black population of 50 percent or higher.

Hill said they're not advocating for a repeat of a Civil War that claimed 620,000 lives or a return to slavery, the lynchpin of the South's antebellum economy.

"We have no interest in going back and recreating an un-recreatable past," Hill said in a telephone interview. "We are future oriented."

The group has erected billboards that said "SECEDE" in several states, and it even has its own banner — a black and white version of the familiar Confederate battle flag, minus the stars.

Secession also finds support on some websites that support white nationalism, including Occidental Dissent, run by a Hill associate, and the openly racist, anti-Semitic Daily Stormer. Extremist watchdog Heidi Beirich said strict Southern nationalism seems to have been swept up into the larger white-power agenda in recent years.

"I think it's mostly subsumed into the white nationalist movement," said Beirich, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center. "There might be a little Southern softness to it. But I can't tell a whole lot of difference between the League and white nationalism."

Meanwhile, critics are howling over the mere idea that HBO is considering a dramatic series based on the idea that the South really did secede again and slavery still existed.

But secession isn't the sole property of Southern white nationalists.

A group that wants California to secede from the United States is based mainly on liberals wanting to exit the United States because of President Donald Trump's election. They are collecting signatures to place a secession ballot initiative on the 2018 ballot.

The initiative would form a commission to recommend avenues for California to pursue its independence and delete part of the state constitution that says it's an inseparable part of the United States. The "Calexit" initiative also would instruct the governor and congressional delegation to negotiate more autonomy for California.

Secession also has been discussed on and off for years by the far right in states including Texas, particularly when Barack Obama was president.

Online, many Southern nationalists seem animated by drives to remove Confederate memorials, as happened in New Orleans and is planned in Charlottesville, Virginia. Not everyone who supports Confederate monuments wants to remove the South from the United States once again. Some supporters of the Old South say they simply want to honor ancestors who wore the gray during the Civil War.

But some want to make a break.

Perhaps the United States should just let the South leave, said author Chuck Thompson.

Thompson's 2012 book "Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession" argued that both the United States and the South might both be best served if Southern nationalists won the argument and succeeded in forming a new nation.

The South has been at odds with the rest of the nation for generations over issues including education, race, politics, shared history and religion, Thompson said in a telephone interview, and some things just don't change.

"It's not that just the rest of the country would be better off without them," he said. "It's that everyone would be better off without them, both sides."


Poster Comment:

Delusional neo-Confederates are a bunch of sad-sack losers.

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Willie why didnt your mother smother you when you came out?

Also why haven't you moved to Cuba yet. They have dumb asses as stupid as you there.

Willie why are you so dumb?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-08-12   11:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0)

When I was a kid, I wanted Michigan to secede from the Union and become its own country. It seemed so glorious.

Then I grew up.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-12   11:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#0)

Brings to mind the mockumentary CSA (Confederate States of America).

You can download the entire thing from YouTube.

Here's a 5-minute clip of some CSA highlights. I liked the parts with the Confederate space program and the conquest and enslavement of South America.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-12   12:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Willie Green (#0)

... the group says in a statement of beliefs that it offers "good will and cooperation to Southern blacks in areas where we can work together as Christians"

Uh-huh.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-12   12:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

"It's not that just the rest of the country would be better off without them," he said. "It's that everyone would be better off without them, both sides."

Have to agree with that. Why should Alabama and California be required to have the same president and the same congress? Why not split the country and give US citizens a bit of choice on what kind of country they want to live in, and more local control over the same?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-12   12:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#0) (Edited)

Hill said they're not advocating for a repeat of a Civil War that claimed 620,000 lives or a return to slavery

No, they're advocating abandoning the North to the unopposed allegiance of support for the Hillary Clintons that is far worse.

rlk  posted on  2017-08-12   17:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Willie Green (#0)

[Article] But secession isn't the sole property of Southern white nationalists.

A group that wants California to secede from the United States is based mainly on liberals wanting to exit the United States because of President Donald Trump's election. They are collecting signatures to place a secession ballot initiative on the 2018 ballot.

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[Poster comment] Delusional neo-Confederates are a bunch of sad-sack losers.

Hey, don't leave out the rest. Secession is not the sole property of the old Confederate states and never has been. New England rumbled about secession long before the South did. And look at the sad-sack losers who are rumbling lately.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/politics/article/Could-Washington-succeed-by-seceding-10904610.php

Could Washington succeed by seceding?

It's a little bit crazy. But that's going around

By Levi Pulkkinen, SeattlePI Published 5:01 pm, Thursday, February 2, 2017

http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/17/four-secession-concepts-to-save-independent-oregon-from-the-unfolding-national-trumpocalypse/

Four Secession Concepts to Save Independent Oregon from the Unfolding National Trumpocalypse

Some ideas for getting out of this mess.

By Corey Pein | Published May 17 Updated May 17 [2017]

http://wcyy.com/a-massachusetts-man-to-secede-new-england-from-the-united-states-after-trumps-win-isnt-going-well/

A Massachusetts Man’s Plan To Secede New England From The United States After Trump’s Win Isn’t Going Well

By Joey November 16, 2016 7:38 AM

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2017/04/25/verexit-secession-movement-gains-steam-after-trump-election

Vermont

Verexit? Secession Movement Gains Steam After Trump Election

Posted By Kevin J. Kelley on Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:47 PM

A new poll found that nearly 21 percent of Vermonters think the state should consider “peaceably leaving the United States and becoming an independent republic, as it was from 1777 to 1791.”

That’s a jump from 11.8 percent of respondents who agreed with a similar proposal in a 2007 poll.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/27/thousands-sign-official-white-house-petition-to-return-alaska-to-russia.html

Thousands sign WhiteHouse.gov petition for Alaska to secede -- to Russia

Published March 27, 2014
Fox News

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/secession-movement-in-hawaii-wins-big-victory/

Secession Movement In Hawaii Wins Big Victory

Austin Petersen
July 17, 2015

http://www.wthr.com/article/residents-of-indiana-other-states-want-to-secede-from-usa

Residents of Indiana, other states want to secede from USA

Published: 11/13/12 02:35 pm EST.
Updated: 04/14/16 10:48 pm EDT. INDIANAPOLIS

Thousands of Hoosiers want to secede from the United States, and they've filed an online petition with the White House.

Indiana is among 17 states whose residents have filed petitions to secede on the White House's website.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/who-knew-secession-again-on-the-agenda-in-missouri/255980/

Who Knew? Secession Again on the Agenda in Missouri

Andrew Cohen Apr 17, 2012

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/michigan-citizens-sign-petition-to-secede-from-us

Michigan citizens sign petition to secede from US

Michigan among states with petitions to secede from United States

Posted: 10:22 PM, November 15, 2012
Updated: 10:22 PM, November 15, 2012

DETROIT - In the wake of President Barack Obama's re-election, a group of Michiganders want to leave the United States behind.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/rnc/9573/

The Independent Republic of New York

As New York—a city that often has more in common with Europe than with the United States—prepares to be invaded by the red-state hordes during an election that has much of the city fearing the prospect of four more years, a persistent fantasy resurfaces—should New York secede?

By Jennifer Senior

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Parts of States want to secede from their State. Some Counties want to secede from NYC.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/08/25/upstate-new-york-secede/32359423/

Upstate groups want to secede from New York

Joseph Spector, Gannett Albany Bureau Published 8:21 p.m. ET Aug. 25, 2015

http://cityandstateny.com/articles/the-future-of-the-boroughs-staten-island/the-stexit-could-staten-island-secede-from-new-york-city/

The ‘Stexit’: Could Staten Island secede from New York City?

Story and profile photos by FRANK G. RUNYEON
September 12, 2016

"The high point for the secession movement arrived on Nov. 3,1993, the morning after Staten Islanders voted to sever ties with New York City by a 2-to-1 margin."

http://www.newamsterdamny.org/

New Amsterdam - Divide New York

Autonomous Regions

Vote YES NYS Constitutional Convention Nov 7, 2017

It will be found on the back of your ballot at most polling places.

The convention will have the ability to Create Term Limits, Budget Reform, Real Ethics Reform, and the power to separate NYS into two or three Autonomous Regions.

http://www.app.com/story/news/history/erik-larsen/2016/03/05/south-jersey-votes-secede-nj/81323914/

South Jersey voted to secede from NJ

Erik Larsen, @Erik_Larsen Published 4:17 p.m. ET March 5, 2016 | Updated 6:01 p.m. ET Dec. 8, 2016

On the same day America elected Ronald Reagan its 40th president, five of six counties in southern New Jersey voted to secede from the Garden State

http://theweek.com/articles/457124/6-colorado-counties-voted-form-51st-state-now-what

6 Colorado counties voted to form a 51st state. Now what?

Peter Weber
The Week, November 6, 2013

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-12   19:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan (#7)

You certainly established your point that a lot of states have some simmering secession elements.

Alaska has their independence movement too with its own political party, the AIP. Todd Palin, husband of Sarah Palin, was a member of it for some years.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-12   21:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative, Donald J Trump, American Independent Party, AIP (#8)

its own political party, the AIP

AIP is on the ballot in California. Donald Trump is AIP.


Donald Trump will be presented to California voters on Nov. 8 as the nominee of two different political parties, after leaders of the ultra-conservative American Independent Party voted to select the New York real estate developer as its standard bearer.

It will be the first time a presidential candidate is listed on the California ballot as the choice of two parties in at least 80 years, state election officials said.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-88112824/


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

hondo68  posted on  2017-08-12   22:11:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#9) (Edited)

The CA AIP is not the same group as the Alaska AIP (sometimes called AKIP).

The CA AIP is a remnant of the old Reform Party and, last I heard, still headed by Griftmaster Alan Keyes, the former hero of FreeRepublic back in the day. RimJob was a huge fan.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-12   22:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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