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Title: Here’s Who Will Lament — and Celebrate — the Plummeting U.S. Birth Rate
Source: Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/03 ... s-abortion-immigration-europe/
Published: Jul 3, 2017
Author: Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian
Post Date: 2017-07-21 15:23:03 by Anthem
Keywords: Population, Control, Freaks
Views: 6199
Comments: 71

The birth rate among women in the United States just hit a historic low, leading some demographers to worry that population decline may lie in our future.

New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reveal that in 2016, there were just 62 live births per 1,000 women of childbearing age. That’s a one percent decrease from 2015, and the lowest rate on record. Blame the millennials, say demographers — they’re not having kids. Some commentators have worried this may become a “national emergency” if the rate were to drop below population replacement levels.

What’s so bad about fewer babies? That depends on who you ask — and, often, their political leanings.

A population that fails to replace itself means a growing elderly population sustained by a shrinking workforce, creating social anxiety, economic troubles, and a general sense of cultural malaise.

William Frey, a population expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington, suspects that a still-recovering U.S. economy is to blame for the dip, rather than more permanent factors. “Every year I say when the economy is getting better then we’ll start having more children,” Frey told the Washington Post, “and I’m still expecting that to happen.”

Solutions to population woes are where partisan views begin to diverge. Conservatives are more likely to emphasize religious and traditional values as the best way to encourage families to have more children.

A May 2015 article in Breitbart, the alt-right news site, called falling fertility rates among millennial women “disturbing.” It connected lower birth rates to abortion, noting that 5.6 million pregnancies had been terminated between 2007 and 2011 — a common view in the pro-life movement but less widely accepted outside of it.

In some European countries, many of which have lower fertility rates than the United States, governments have launched public initiatives, such as Denmark’s “Do it for mom” campaign in 2015, which encouraged couples to have kids to please their parents.

Another way to ensure population replacement is through robust immigration. But that is another point where partisan concerns about fertility diverge — and where some of the real civilizational angst can set in.

Japan presents an extreme case. The nation’s population is already in net decline, with whole villages aging away. There’s one village where elderly residents make life-size dolls and place them in classrooms and playgrounds to remind them of what children are like, since there are no more children there anymore.

As the working population in Japan shrinks, there won’t be enough nurses to take care of the people who will soon be filling up nursing homes. Taiwan and Hong Kong also have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world, but they’ve implemented visa programs that allow foreign workers.

But Japan has kept its immigration laws watertight, preferring instead to pour billions of dollars into creating service robots for the country’s burgeoning nursing home industry. The Japanese government would literally rather have robots take care of its aging population than open the country to non-Japanese workers.

Tinges of a similar ethnocentrism can be found, with increasing fervor in the past few years, in more distant corners of the American and European right. Concerns about declining birth rates, rising immigration from non-Western countries, and the fall of the Judeo-Christian West resonate on both sides of the Atlantic.

Britain’s former chief rabbi, Lord Jonathan Sacks, has warned that the secularization of Europe was leading to its demographic, moral, and ultimately civilizational downfall. Sacks claimed in an interview with the Daily Telegraph in 2016 that there was no “historical example of a society that became secularised and maintained its birth rate over subsequent centuries.”

“That’s how great civilizations decline and fall,” he said.

These fears help explain why Trump’s base can support policies that would reduce overall immigration while simultaneously fearing a shrinking population. In May 2016 White House chief strategist and former Breitbart chief Stephen Bannon invited Italian conservative Benjamin Harnwell to his radio show to share a similar message.

“There’s not a single country, a single EU member state, that has a fertility rate at replacement level,” Harnwell claimed. Yet Muslim immigration threatened the continent as well, he said, since Europeans, who have lost touch with their Christian values, were unable to see the “innately aggressive” aspects of Islam.

News of the low birth rate is likely to delight at least one U.S. group — the small Virginia-based nonprofit Negative Population Growth. The group believes that endless population growth will destroy the environment and strain resources; it supports policies to lower the birthrate and reduce immigration to “traditional levels.”

Theirs isn’t a view that is currently widely held in the United States, but it harks back to fears of a “population bomb” that gripped the Western world in the 1970s, when the group was founded. In 1969, Paul Ehrlich, a popular public intellectual and biologist who frequently appeared on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, declared at a conference, “Our first move must be to convince all those we can that the planet Earth must be viewed as a spaceship of limited carrying capacity.” The United Nations declared 1974 “Population Year,” and more than a hundred countries gathered to discuss global population control measures. China’s draconian one-child policy was borne in part from this strain of thought.

“We must not simply stop population growth,” Negative Population Growth proclaims on its website. “We must turn it around.”


Poster Comment:

That is a crude birth rate of about 10.3 which is far below the projected CBR of 18.2 for 2015-2020.

From Wikipedia

World historical and projected crude birth rates (1950–2050)

  

Years

CBR

  

1950–1955

37.2

  

1955–1960

35.3

  

1960–1965

34.9

  

1965–1970

33.4

  

1970–1975

30.8

  

1975–1980

28.4

  

1980–1985

27.9

  

1985–1990

27.3

  

1990–1995

24.7

  

1995–2000

22.5

  

2000–2005

21.2

  

2005–2010

20.3

  

2010–2015

19.4

  

2015–2020

18.2

  

2020–2025

16.9

  

2025–2030

15.8

  

2030–2035

15

  

2035–2040

14.5

  

2040–2045

14

  

2045–2050

13.4

  
 
 

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#3. To: Anthem (#0)

Anthem, I think we could have a meaningful discussion of this.

My mind comes at this from three very different angles - a religious one, a secular/liberty-focused one, and a national security/cultural one.

Where I come out on it is that whining about things and saying what they "ought to be" from a moralistic and religious perspective is among the most useless things anybody ever does. God never intervenes in such matters, to save cultures from the consequences of their own choices. He's not going to this time either, because we're not really a "good" people by his definition.

So, if we want to keep going and not simply melt into Latin America (a prospect that does not, frankly, offend me all that much), then we actually have to fundamentally change some aspect of our society.

Changing the birth control/abortion culture would be the religious way to effect change. But we are ruled by Protestant Republicans, with secular Democrats right behind, so we will never - not ever - be changing course on birth control or abortion until the country has already become Latin America, and maybe not then.

The religious way will not work, because there are not nearly enough religious people who even understand the problem. It's a dead letter.

The other option is secular. France and Iceland are the only First World "Christian" countries in Europe or North America to be nearly at replacement rate for fertility. They do this by the sort of comprehensive economic support for families: housing, child care, education, health care, income support necessary for First World people to have enough children to sustain the population.

Of course, in France those numbers are tricky, just like in the United States. Truth is, France and the US show an overall fertility rate that is much higher than the WHITE fertility rate in either place. In the US, the white fertility rate is in the sewer, at European levels. France does not keep statistics based on ethnicity, considering all French to be "French" and France to be colorblind. It would be illegal and discriminatory for the French state to keep racial statistics on its people, so it doesn't.

That said, it's obvious from observation that it is Arabic (mostly from North Africa), as well as Black Africans and French Caribbean people (mostly Christian) who are the primary childbearers. White fertility is lower.

So even my preferred method doesn't appear to really work in countries where the benefits are generous.

For that reason, I actually think that the third answer - learning Spanish - is the most practical for Americans. We will not change our religious beliefs, and will not change our economic structures, and therefore will not change our reproductive practices. That means a relentless downward spiral of available workers, putting upward pressure on wages and political pressure for immigration.

In the end, because we won't change anything, we will change our language to Spanish. Whether that will change our religion to Catholic, and permanently change our fertility rates upward to resemble Latin America, or that, rather, Latin Catholics in a First World country will behave like Spaniards in Spain, secularize, and also stop having babies, remains to be seen.

For my part, I would like to see the culture come to its senses. But since I know from talking to my fellow Americans that it won't, I have adopted a shoulder shrug attitude towards the Hispanicization of America.

I have the two strategies to stop that, but nobody wants to do those things. Instead, they want to do what the Japanese are doing - close the doors. That works for a racist island like Japan, where there is an emperor and where the culture reigns supreme. But America is much more heavily dominated by economic interests, and is much more divided. No consensus for keeping the borders closed will ever hold.

So our future is to become Latin America. It would be best if we were to become Chile or Costa Rica, rather than Venezuela or the bad parts of Mexico.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-21   17:49:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)

My mind comes at this from three very different angles - a religious one, a secular/liberty-focused one, and a national security/cultural one.

You have taken the subject to be about immigration. I don't mind discussing that, however I first want to note that I believe that we are in the grip of a determined population reduction agenda -- from foundations like Gates' (et al - all of the big ones have a population program, sometimes disguised), to the abortion policy that just can't be shut down by Republicans, to the "cultural Marxism" (Gramscian subversion) used against the nuclear family structure.

The effect is, and has been, a lot of profoundly confused and mentally impaired people running around with no anchor to the society they live in; no common understanding; a bunch of uncouth savages fighting over access to whatever resources are readily available to satisfy their need for immediate gratification, often of irrational whimsy like trans-whateverism. Such detachment from reality and social commitments that used to be engendered by family responsibilities leaves us in a social morass that will not be able to defend itself from tyrannical predations because there is no social cohesion, no sense of commonality. At one time many people looked at slavery and were moved by seeing slaves try to hold their families together, just like them. Now that commonality is lost and not being replaced by anything rational.

Even our economic life reflects the lack of cohesion. It is easier to lie, cheat, and steal from people who are nothing but meat -- another competitor at the trough with whom there is not even a language in common. So the lack of births is the semaphore signaling a social fragmentation that is so atomized that "Balkanization" doesn't do it justice.

In the past I had not opposed immigration from the south, mostly out of naiveté (I did oppose H1-B indentured servitude because I saw its immediate economic effects first hand). I believed that the propositions that this nation was founded on were what they came seeking to adopt for themselves, as friends of mine from Eastern Europe, Turkey, and Iran did -- enthusiastically! (If anything they were more conservative both in terms of political freedom and social/family issues). In the last 10 years I have had experiences that showed me the contours of the cultural clash between the old Germanic US and the Hispanic/Aztec/Mayan mix that were/are coming in such numbers that they are not assimilating, instead organizing to lobby for preservation of their cultural identity (e.g. Spanish documents and labels). I have seen a lot of dishonesty in their behavior towards me personally. They are not my countrymen. They don't even know what the founding propositions are, an ignorance shared by many North Americans now.

Language sharing is the easy part. Respect for honesty, quality ethic*, and property rights are among the cultural behaviors that made European-American culture so successful, yet are lacking south of the border. That is not something that can be overcome by learning a language. What makes it worse is the cultural destruction that the Gramsci and Frankfurt School Jews have been pursuing for the last ~100 years have left us with a far weaker culture than we had when waves of immigrants came ashore from Southern and Eastern Europe to work in the booming late 19th century US and found that Americans knew the proposition:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..."
Many men were alive who had fought in a terrible internecine war that on one side sought to abolish the government, and on the other to fight for the proposition of equality and liberty for all. Today, at best, we have a handful of people who were active in the Civil Rights movement, a small minority who are historically literate, and the vast majority ignorant of the propositions of the founders. Many people today are openly hostile to Natural Law and the individual rights recognized by it. How are immigrants going adapt to a culture that no longer exists?

*(migrants from south of the border work hard enough, but their quality discipline is as bad or worse than the ignorant white Confederate flag waving southerner who bellows "git 'er done!")

History has shown that it requires extraordinary pressure to amalgamate different cultures, or a long period of prosperity and an abatement of immigration. I'm hoping for the latter, on only the basis of Faith, Charity, and Hope. The former is likely to be a disaster of biblical proportions.

In closing I will mention I agree that we are obligated to take care of those who need help. In a post that Stone made to you regarding charity he mentioned that it should be at the local level, in fact from hand to hand. I agree with Stone on this, with the acknowledgement that it will have to be organized. There is no reason why local government should not work with charitable private organizations (NGOs - uhggly phrase) by serving as promoter -- using the "one stop shopping" convenience and megaphone of officialdom to organize and facilitate fund-raising efforts, and to honor those who give with public recognition. Yes, that last bit is not Christian, but it is effective among some people who give only to enhance their image.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-22   0:48:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Anthem (#20)

My mind comes at this from three very different angles - a religious one, a secular/liberty-focused one, and a national security/cultural one. You have taken the subject to be about immigration. I don't mind discussing that, however I first want to note that I believe that we are in the grip of a determined population reduction agenda -- from foundations like Gates' (et al - all of the big ones have a population program, sometimes disguised), to the abortion policy that just can't be shut down by Republicans, to the "cultural Marxism" (Gramscian subversion) used against the nuclear family structure.

The effect is, and has been, a lot of profoundly confused and mentally impaired people running around with no anchor to the society they live in; no common understanding; a bunch of uncouth savages fighting over access to whatever resources are readily available to satisfy their need for immediate gratification, often of irrational whimsy like trans-whateverism. Such detachment from reality and social commitments that used to be engendered by family responsibilities leaves us in a social morass that will not be able to defend itself from tyrannical predations because there is no social cohesion, no sense of commonality. At one time many people looked at slavery and were moved by seeing slaves try to hold their families together, just like them. Now that commonality is lost and not being replaced by anything rational.

Even our economic life reflects the lack of cohesion. It is easier to lie, cheat, and steal from people who are nothing but meat -- another competitor at the trough with whom there is not even a language in common. So the lack of births is the semaphore signaling a social fragmentation that is so atomized that "Balkanization" doesn't do it justice.

In the past I had not opposed immigration from the south, mostly out of naiveté (I did oppose H1-B indentured servitude because I saw its immediate economic effects first hand). I believed that the propositions that this nation was founded on were what they came seeking to adopt for themselves, as friends of mine from Eastern Europe, Turkey, and Iran did -- enthusiastically! (If anything they were more conservative both in terms of political freedom and social/family issues). In the last 10 years I have had experiences that showed me the contours of the cultural clash between the old Germanic US and the Hispanic/Aztec/Mayan mix that were/are coming in such numbers that they are not assimilating, instead organizing to lobby for preservation of their cultural identity (e.g. Spanish documents and labels). I have seen a lot of dishonesty in their behavior towards me personally. They are not my countrymen. They don't even know what the founding propositions are, an ignorance shared by many North Americans now.

Language sharing is the easy part. Respect for honesty, quality ethic*, and property rights are among the cultural behaviors that made European-American culture so successful, yet are lacking south of the border. That is not something that can be overcome by learning a language. What makes it worse is the cultural destruction that the Gramsci and Frankfurt School Jews have been pursuing for the last ~100 years have left us with a far weaker culture than we had when waves of immigrants came ashore from Southern and Eastern Europe to work in the booming late 19th century US and found that Americans knew the proposition:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..." Many men were alive who had fought in a terrible internecine war that on one side sought to abolish the government, and on the other to fight for the proposition of equality and liberty for all. Today, at best, we have a handful of people who were active in the Civil Rights movement, a small minority who are historically literate, and the vast majority ignorant of the propositions of the founders. Many people today are openly hostile to Natural Law and the individual rights recognized by it. How are immigrants going adapt to a culture that no longer exists? *(migrants from south of the border work hard enough, but their quality discipline is as bad or worse than the ignorant white Confederate flag waving southerner who bellows "git 'er done!")

History has shown that it requires extraordinary pressure to amalgamate different cultures, or a long period of prosperity and an abatement of immigration. I'm hoping for the latter, on only the basis of Faith, Charity, and Hope. The former is likely to be a disaster of biblical proportions.

In closing I will mention I agree that we are obligated to take care of those who need help. In a post that Stone made to you regarding charity he mentioned that it should be at the local level, in fact from hand to hand. I agree with Stone on this, with the acknowledgement that it will have to be organized. There is no reason why local government should not work with charitable private organizations (NGOs - uhggly phrase) by serving as promoter -- using the "one stop shopping" convenience and megaphone of officialdom to organize and facilitate fund-raising efforts, and to honor those who give with public recognition. Yes, that last bit is not Christian, but it is effective among some people who give only to enhance their image.

For some reason I missed your longer discussion when I looked through the thread yesterday, only seeing the short "tag" about leaving France aside and commenting on that. I didn't see the longer piece, above.

I am headed out on a road trip today, so I cannot write right now, but I'll be thinking about what you said as I drive. You make many good and interesting points. I can agree with much of it, including the pragmatism of it.

We're farthest apart on the ethnic aspects of it, but ethnic affinities (Germanic versus Latin, for example) do not lend themselves to logical analysis: people prefer what they prefer, and there isn't much one can say about it. Which is "better", England or France? Germany or Italy? Poland or Germany? Spain or Scotland? One can quantify differences and assign "better" based on what one thinks is most appealing, and one can follow the pre-1914 model of ascribing these differences to fundamental national character. But one can just as easily ascribe the differences to the differences in weather between regions. I know that two world wars were fought over the prospect that certain cultures were superior to others. Not being a fan of racialist theory, my response to it is to note that the victor in both of those world wars was the most ethnically mixed nations: the United States in both wars, the USA and the USSR in the second war. And I note that the much self-vaunted German and Japanese military virtues ended in catastrophic defeat and mass death for the populations that believed it about themselves. It is fair to say that, when talking with me, any attempt to vaunt any particular ethnic culture as superior to the rest will result in a merry-go-round of ridicule in reply. I am not particularly impressed by ANY ethnic culture. I have a great many in my own background and I enjoy them all on the positive side - I see the good in them - until one vaunts itself, THEN I take the mickey out of them because I know all of their flaws. I would say that, on balance, the most successful cultural model in Europe is the French, and that that is precisely because France ISN'T an ethnic monoculture but an amalgam of different ethnic regions. The German region of France contributes its part and is delightful, but it is improved by being connected at the head to the Celtic, Italian and Basque parts. Go east into pure Germany, and the culture becomes much coarser, the food and drink and pretty much everything else becomes less interesting, and the people less convivial. This is a commonly felt view - there's a reason Paris is the leading destination of tourists all over the world (including Germany), rather than Dusseldorf or Leipzig.

Vienna, at the heart of the old multi-cultural Austro-Hungarian Empire, was likewise enriched by the combination of cultures, and was the better model of civilization in its long day than the purely German Reich that eroded it.

But, as I say, these ethnic things are matters of taste and don't lend themselves to intellectual discussion.

What DOES lend itself, and what I will discuss in my next, is the really different way that Catholicism (and Catholics) looks at what Christianity is, versus Protestantism and Protestants.

You and I seem to be closer on pragmatics than we are to Stone, and yet it is clear that you think that his view of what Christianity "is" is closer to yours than mine is.

Christianity DOES lend itself to discussion, because there are intellectual, and written roots of the divergent views. I get frustrated because it seems to me that the Protestants don't even COMPREHEND the Catholic view. I understand where the Protestants are coming from, but I don't think it stands up to intellectual analysis of Scripture or tradition. The disconnect there is interesting. Where I stand on these things IS Catholic, but the Protestant voices do not recognize it as even being Christian. THIS difference is susceptible to education, and that's what I am going to think about today.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-23   8:21:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#27) (Edited)

Christianity DOES lend itself to discussion, because there are intellectual, and written roots of the divergent views.

I get frustrated because it seems to me that the Protestants don't even COMPREHEND the Catholic view.

YES, WE DO INDEED "comprehend the Catholic view." And THAT my friend is *your* problem, not ours.

The Vatican is an evil, counterfeit *commercial* enterprise. Always have been. They have been controlling ancient and not-so-ancient history itself, hiding it, and both Evil and Truth within the bowels of the Vatican.

There have been precious few Popes who've taken the spreading of the Gospel seriously. The current "Pope" is an anarchist, a liar -- which is tantamount to working for the devil himself.

This is not to indict all RCCs at all. many are good, decent, moral/ethical God-fearing people. But tell me -- just how do Catholics justify remaining "Catholic"? WHAT are THE tenets that are held so near and dear to your heart that affect your Eternal Reward? OR....IS mortal power here on earth part of the attraction?

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-23   12:28:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#30)

The Vatican is an evil, counterfeit *commercial* enterprise. Always have been. They have been controlling ancient and not-so-ancient history itself, hiding it, and both Evil and Truth within the bowels of the Vatican.

More Jewish propaganda. They have been successful in their efforts to manipulate the Protestant and Evangelical churches. Divide and conquer.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-23   19:28:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Anthem (#32)

Your comment is propaganda.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-23   19:30:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#33) (Edited)

Your comment is propaganda.

Edit: Actually, yes it is. I am promoting awareness of the behavior of the Jews. I can make the case for it.

(original post below)

No, I am not promoting the Catholic Church (I am not a Catholic). What I'm combating is unproven and unprovable aspersions cast on it.

If there were a reasoned discussion about it, then I would acknowledge well made points. I've not seen any reasonable comments that could form the basis for a discussion.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-23   19:42:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 34.

#37. To: Anthem (#34)

If there were a reasoned discussion about it, then

Since that's never going to happen, may as well use your time for something more fruitful.

Elsewhere there's an article about the death of the Church of England. Of course it's dying!

Elsewhere still, there's an article about the PM of Hungary decrying the Islamicization of Europe. Of course it's Islamicizing! Nature abhors a vacuum, and in Europe now there is a yawning vacuum of faith. Enter: Islam.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-23 23:17:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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