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Title: Here’s Who Will Lament — and Celebrate — the Plummeting U.S. Birth Rate
Source: Foreign Relations
URL Source: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/03 ... s-abortion-immigration-europe/
Published: Jul 3, 2017
Author: Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian
Post Date: 2017-07-21 15:23:03 by Anthem
Keywords: Population, Control, Freaks
Views: 6200
Comments: 71

The birth rate among women in the United States just hit a historic low, leading some demographers to worry that population decline may lie in our future.

New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reveal that in 2016, there were just 62 live births per 1,000 women of childbearing age. That’s a one percent decrease from 2015, and the lowest rate on record. Blame the millennials, say demographers — they’re not having kids. Some commentators have worried this may become a “national emergency” if the rate were to drop below population replacement levels.

What’s so bad about fewer babies? That depends on who you ask — and, often, their political leanings.

A population that fails to replace itself means a growing elderly population sustained by a shrinking workforce, creating social anxiety, economic troubles, and a general sense of cultural malaise.

William Frey, a population expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington, suspects that a still-recovering U.S. economy is to blame for the dip, rather than more permanent factors. “Every year I say when the economy is getting better then we’ll start having more children,” Frey told the Washington Post, “and I’m still expecting that to happen.”

Solutions to population woes are where partisan views begin to diverge. Conservatives are more likely to emphasize religious and traditional values as the best way to encourage families to have more children.

A May 2015 article in Breitbart, the alt-right news site, called falling fertility rates among millennial women “disturbing.” It connected lower birth rates to abortion, noting that 5.6 million pregnancies had been terminated between 2007 and 2011 — a common view in the pro-life movement but less widely accepted outside of it.

In some European countries, many of which have lower fertility rates than the United States, governments have launched public initiatives, such as Denmark’s “Do it for mom” campaign in 2015, which encouraged couples to have kids to please their parents.

Another way to ensure population replacement is through robust immigration. But that is another point where partisan concerns about fertility diverge — and where some of the real civilizational angst can set in.

Japan presents an extreme case. The nation’s population is already in net decline, with whole villages aging away. There’s one village where elderly residents make life-size dolls and place them in classrooms and playgrounds to remind them of what children are like, since there are no more children there anymore.

As the working population in Japan shrinks, there won’t be enough nurses to take care of the people who will soon be filling up nursing homes. Taiwan and Hong Kong also have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world, but they’ve implemented visa programs that allow foreign workers.

But Japan has kept its immigration laws watertight, preferring instead to pour billions of dollars into creating service robots for the country’s burgeoning nursing home industry. The Japanese government would literally rather have robots take care of its aging population than open the country to non-Japanese workers.

Tinges of a similar ethnocentrism can be found, with increasing fervor in the past few years, in more distant corners of the American and European right. Concerns about declining birth rates, rising immigration from non-Western countries, and the fall of the Judeo-Christian West resonate on both sides of the Atlantic.

Britain’s former chief rabbi, Lord Jonathan Sacks, has warned that the secularization of Europe was leading to its demographic, moral, and ultimately civilizational downfall. Sacks claimed in an interview with the Daily Telegraph in 2016 that there was no “historical example of a society that became secularised and maintained its birth rate over subsequent centuries.”

“That’s how great civilizations decline and fall,” he said.

These fears help explain why Trump’s base can support policies that would reduce overall immigration while simultaneously fearing a shrinking population. In May 2016 White House chief strategist and former Breitbart chief Stephen Bannon invited Italian conservative Benjamin Harnwell to his radio show to share a similar message.

“There’s not a single country, a single EU member state, that has a fertility rate at replacement level,” Harnwell claimed. Yet Muslim immigration threatened the continent as well, he said, since Europeans, who have lost touch with their Christian values, were unable to see the “innately aggressive” aspects of Islam.

News of the low birth rate is likely to delight at least one U.S. group — the small Virginia-based nonprofit Negative Population Growth. The group believes that endless population growth will destroy the environment and strain resources; it supports policies to lower the birthrate and reduce immigration to “traditional levels.”

Theirs isn’t a view that is currently widely held in the United States, but it harks back to fears of a “population bomb” that gripped the Western world in the 1970s, when the group was founded. In 1969, Paul Ehrlich, a popular public intellectual and biologist who frequently appeared on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, declared at a conference, “Our first move must be to convince all those we can that the planet Earth must be viewed as a spaceship of limited carrying capacity.” The United Nations declared 1974 “Population Year,” and more than a hundred countries gathered to discuss global population control measures. China’s draconian one-child policy was borne in part from this strain of thought.

“We must not simply stop population growth,” Negative Population Growth proclaims on its website. “We must turn it around.”


Poster Comment:

That is a crude birth rate of about 10.3 which is far below the projected CBR of 18.2 for 2015-2020.

From Wikipedia

World historical and projected crude birth rates (1950–2050)

  

Years

CBR

  

1950–1955

37.2

  

1955–1960

35.3

  

1960–1965

34.9

  

1965–1970

33.4

  

1970–1975

30.8

  

1975–1980

28.4

  

1980–1985

27.9

  

1985–1990

27.3

  

1990–1995

24.7

  

1995–2000

22.5

  

2000–2005

21.2

  

2005–2010

20.3

  

2010–2015

19.4

  

2015–2020

18.2

  

2020–2025

16.9

  

2025–2030

15.8

  

2030–2035

15

  

2035–2040

14.5

  

2040–2045

14

  

2045–2050

13.4

  
 
 

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#3. To: Anthem (#0)

Anthem, I think we could have a meaningful discussion of this.

My mind comes at this from three very different angles - a religious one, a secular/liberty-focused one, and a national security/cultural one.

Where I come out on it is that whining about things and saying what they "ought to be" from a moralistic and religious perspective is among the most useless things anybody ever does. God never intervenes in such matters, to save cultures from the consequences of their own choices. He's not going to this time either, because we're not really a "good" people by his definition.

So, if we want to keep going and not simply melt into Latin America (a prospect that does not, frankly, offend me all that much), then we actually have to fundamentally change some aspect of our society.

Changing the birth control/abortion culture would be the religious way to effect change. But we are ruled by Protestant Republicans, with secular Democrats right behind, so we will never - not ever - be changing course on birth control or abortion until the country has already become Latin America, and maybe not then.

The religious way will not work, because there are not nearly enough religious people who even understand the problem. It's a dead letter.

The other option is secular. France and Iceland are the only First World "Christian" countries in Europe or North America to be nearly at replacement rate for fertility. They do this by the sort of comprehensive economic support for families: housing, child care, education, health care, income support necessary for First World people to have enough children to sustain the population.

Of course, in France those numbers are tricky, just like in the United States. Truth is, France and the US show an overall fertility rate that is much higher than the WHITE fertility rate in either place. In the US, the white fertility rate is in the sewer, at European levels. France does not keep statistics based on ethnicity, considering all French to be "French" and France to be colorblind. It would be illegal and discriminatory for the French state to keep racial statistics on its people, so it doesn't.

That said, it's obvious from observation that it is Arabic (mostly from North Africa), as well as Black Africans and French Caribbean people (mostly Christian) who are the primary childbearers. White fertility is lower.

So even my preferred method doesn't appear to really work in countries where the benefits are generous.

For that reason, I actually think that the third answer - learning Spanish - is the most practical for Americans. We will not change our religious beliefs, and will not change our economic structures, and therefore will not change our reproductive practices. That means a relentless downward spiral of available workers, putting upward pressure on wages and political pressure for immigration.

In the end, because we won't change anything, we will change our language to Spanish. Whether that will change our religion to Catholic, and permanently change our fertility rates upward to resemble Latin America, or that, rather, Latin Catholics in a First World country will behave like Spaniards in Spain, secularize, and also stop having babies, remains to be seen.

For my part, I would like to see the culture come to its senses. But since I know from talking to my fellow Americans that it won't, I have adopted a shoulder shrug attitude towards the Hispanicization of America.

I have the two strategies to stop that, but nobody wants to do those things. Instead, they want to do what the Japanese are doing - close the doors. That works for a racist island like Japan, where there is an emperor and where the culture reigns supreme. But America is much more heavily dominated by economic interests, and is much more divided. No consensus for keeping the borders closed will ever hold.

So our future is to become Latin America. It would be best if we were to become Chile or Costa Rica, rather than Venezuela or the bad parts of Mexico.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-21   17:49:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

The other option is secular. France and Iceland are the only First World "Christian" countries in Europe or North America to be nearly at replacement rate for fertility. They do this by the sort of comprehensive economic support for families: housing, child care, education, health care, income support necessary for First World people to have enough children to sustain the population.

Leaving France aside; smaller more homogeneous polities like Iceland, Finland, or Norway can organize social welfare by government much more successfully partly because they are smaller so the bureaucracy is smaller, but mostly because of the commonality of their identity. People who live in what amounts to an extended clan are more willing to care for their "brothers and sisters" than completely strange people who look and behave differently.

In large mixed polities social welfare at a large scale is more damaging than helpful. At some point there needs to be the face to face human check to see that the help is needed and effective.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-22   1:16:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: Anthem (#21)

In large mixed polities social welfare at a large scale is more damaging than helpful. At some point there needs to be the face to face human check to see that the help is needed and effective.

That will never happen until we pass a law making it illegal for people on welfare to vote,and we all know that is not going to happen.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-07-22 07:18:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Anthem (#21) (Edited)

We cannot leave France aside. It is geographically the largest country in Europe outside of Russia, and it has a large and very diverse population: a welter of different white ethnicities brought together by the commonality of an overlaying "French" ethnicity (like the US melting pot, but older), and very large black and Muslim ethnic minorities. Of all of the European nations, France is by far the most demographically like the United States.

It also has political instincts the most similar to America. Sure, the English speak English, and we've kept some facets of their common law, but the French had a political revolution to overthrow their monarchy in the same era that we had ours - their Revolution started a mere 5 years after the end of ours, and their republicanism and ours fed off many of the same philosophical roots (and their revolution was fought by and led by many of the same French soldiers who had fought in ours).

France's example cannot be discarded, because France is the most "like us" demographically in Europe, and it has the same republican instincts.

Importantly, France is not an ethnic state. Germany is. Holland is small, and it is. England is. Scotland is. Ireland is. Spain and Italy are. Scandinavia is - as you've pointed out.

France is actually a geographic region where six separate ethnic groups have their "edge of expansion". The French Center and West is Celtic. The Southeast and Corsica is Italian. The Southwest is Basque. The East is German. The Northeast is Flemish (Dutch), and the North is Scandinavian (Viking Norman). Each of these ethnicities except for the Basques has its own clearly defined ethnic nation-state outside of France, and the people in each of these regions recognize that their root stock came from those other ethnicities (just like Americans recognize they're all "from somewhere else").

The Normans know they are Viking in origin. The Alsatians know they're German. The Center know they're Gauls and the West knows they're Breton. Provence knows that its Gallo- Roman/Italian. And the Basques know they're Basque. But none of them identifies primarily with the ethnicity and language from which they come. Rather, all of these ethnicities have turned towards the old royal center, and are French by culture - by choice. "French" is a superimposed, additional cultural norm, just like American, though an older, royal model. The Kings have all departed, but the cultural center created by the throne and crown remains.

So, France is the country that transcended ethnic tribalism. No other country in Europe ever did to that extent. America has done this on a continental scale, thanks to immigration. But both France and America share this multi-cultural, complicated, diverse history, and history of politics, as opposed to blood, forming the basis of the culture itself.

That is why France is absolutely THE best European country to use as a model for the United States. It is the most LIKE the US, and it always has been. It's the most ethnically diverse, with the most regionalism. It's the most naturally republican nation. It has the same flavor for militarism and pride. It's large. It has a people who have not bent the knee (or the mind) to a king for a long, long time, and it has been a republic with an overlaying super-wealthy class forever.

It's also large - a Texas-sized country, not a postage stamp.

It has an overseas presence and operates aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines and has ICBMs - France is the third most powerful country in the world, after the USA and Russia. The French have more nuclear weapons than anybody but those two.

These similarities are not superficial. England is a very class-based society. France is much more republican.

We can't set France aside, because France is the most "like us". France has an incredibly diverse economy, like us. So when we look at the way programs work in France, in particular, we are looking at the thing in Europe that is "most similar" to the USA. I have compared my father-in-law's Social Security to American Social Security and Medicare - it's very similar stuff, practically the same in terms of benefits.

So no, we can't leave France aside. In fact, France is the most American of all European nations in many ways, and we should set the rest of the smaller, ethnically-based countries aside and look at the nuclear, maritime, diverse republic in Europe that is most like us for the best European example of us. And that's France, by a country mile, by a provincial league.

And when we do that, we see a social welfare model designed for a diverse country, like ours, that performs better at delivering social welfare at a lower cost than our social welfare model does. That's why looking at France, in particular, is so valuable.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-22 11:52:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Anthem, Vicomte13 (#21)

Smaller more homogeneous polities like Iceland, Finland, or Norway can organize social welfare by government much more successfully partly because they are smaller so the bureaucracy is smaller, but mostly because of the commonality of their identity.

But ONLY to a point. The sound you hear suddenly a Camel's Back breaking (yes, pun intended.)

THE actual reason socialism was working (to a point) in those smaller nations, was a result of the Baby-Boomers remaining in the work-force. That is n longer the case in *those* nations, thus socialist societies within even those relatively tiny, homologous nations is impossible the maintain beyond NOW.

As to the identity -- yes, well THAT is changing as well, isn't it? Muslims do NOT want to work, will NOT work, this a tinderbox is about to explode. Muslims are of the opinion that these God-less, European Socialists are their (near) future slaves.

People who live in what amounts to an extended clan are more willing to care for their "brothers and sisters" than completely strange people who look and behave differently.

True.

That said, ONLY to a point are the clan willing to compensate for healthy, lazy parasites -- even IF they are their brothers and sisters.

The Western European socialist model will not nor can survive economically, ideologically, nor every other which-way as they've invited rapidly breeding self-entitled Muslim barbarian-parasites who believe their host-nations are "Allah's Gift" to *them*.

Btw -- WHY must populations levels necessarily be "sustained" in an age "robotics"? I believe this notion is nothing but globalist-propaganda that hope will justify the invasion of fake Muslim "refugees".

THIS entire charade is about nothing but enslavement of the native European middle class as well as creating a neo-Royalty class.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-23 12:21:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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