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Title: Formerly homeless man booted off his own, newly purchased mountain property
Source: From The Trenches
URL Source: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... in-property/202872#more-202872
Published: Jul 17, 2017
Author: Lance Hernandez
Post Date: 2017-07-17 11:40:27 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 408
Comments: 20

CONIFER, COLO. — Clem Smith says he was homeless for six years, but he doesn’t consider himself homeless anymore, because he lives in a motor home with its own address.

The RV is parked on property, in Conifer, that he purchased in March with an inheritance from his mother’s estate.

Of the $214,000 inheritance, he spent $125,000 for the property and put the rest into improvements for a power connection, water well, septic drawings, septic engineering and road engineering.  

He also bought an old front end loader, a dump truck, used car, shipping container and a chicken coop with four hens. All are parked on his property.

He said he’s planning to build a house and spend the rest of his life there. It’s his ultimate dream.

But that dream is falling apart.

After a neighbor complained about the RV, shipping container and trash, Smith was cited for code violations.

The complaint alleges that he’s allowing the outdoor storage of those items on vacant land and that he was going to allow people to live in the shipping container.

Smith said that’s hogwash.

“I believe the person that complained came in (the shipping container) and saw a dresser and thought people were going to try to live here,” he said.

Smith said, in reality, the dresser is his “workbench” and he uses it to store tools and paperwork.

Jeanie Rossillon, Jefferson County’s director of development and transportation, said that under existing code, the RV is considered an accessory and cannot be parked on the property without a house.  Ditto for the shipping container.

Smith says he will build one, but needs more time. In the meantime, he wants to live in his RV and leave it parked on his property.

“I own this property,” he told Denver7, with emotion welling up in his voice. “I paid for it in cash. It’s all mine.  I should be able to live on it for a certain amount of time, while I’m surveying, engineering or planning.”

According to the complaint, Smith will face a fine of $500 to $1,000 if he doesn’t move the RV and shipping container.

“I shouldn’t have to pay a fine, I’m not a criminal,” he said.

Rossillon says Smith has been given extra time to come into compliance with the codes.

She said the basic codes exist for a reason — health, safety and welfare.

“It’s also about expectations,” she said, “and balancing everyone’s property rights.”

Smith says he has very little money left to move everything.

He worries that he’ll end up being homeless again and that he’ll have to park his RV at Walmart.

“I don’t think it’s fair,” he added, “I’ve been on the homeless circuit for several years and everybody at the campgrounds and at Walmart, is hoping to get a piece of property and build their own home.”

Denver7 checked and found that there have been similar issues in other counties.

Codes are similar with some minor variations.

Douglas County

In Douglas County, a “temporary residence” (temporary structure) is allowed in certain districts.  The temporary permit is valid for only 6 months and may be renewed for a maximum of three times.

Before a temporary permit is issued, a building permit shall be obtained for a permanent residence, and a $2,000 bond shall be posted with the Building Division.

Boulder County

In Boulder County, you can only “camp” for 14 days out of the year.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/homeless-man-being-booted-off-his-own-newly-purchased-mountain-property

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

"... under existing code, the RV is considered an accessory and cannot be parked on the property without a house. Smith says he will build one ..."

Liar. Using what for money? "Smith says he has very little money left to move everything."

But enough to build a house?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-17   12:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

After a neighbor complained about the RV, shipping container and trash, Smith was cited for code violations.

The complaint alleges that he’s allowing the outdoor storage of those items on vacant land and that he was going to allow people to live in the shipping container.

Smith said that’s hogwash.

“I believe the person that complained came in (the shipping container) and saw a dresser and thought people were going to try to live here,” he said.

Smith said, in reality, the dresser is his “workbench” and he uses it to store tools and paperwork.

You know - a real "neighbor" would have manned up and gone over to ask the guy about the shipping container. Too many people have the Gatlin/misterwhite mindset and are conditioned to bring in the authorities over an issue that could have been resolved over a simple conversation.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-17   12:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#2)

You know - a real "neighbor" would have manned up and gone over to ask the guy about the shipping container.

Why? We know the neighbor is a liar. He would have lied. Now what?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-17   12:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#0)

I have an elderly woman living next to me (200 yards away) in our wooded location out in the county - her situation is somewhat similar to this poor guy.

When we first met, she was extremely worried about me being a 'misterwhite' complaining about the fact that she lives in a trailer, uses a composting toilet and goes to the boatyard to take showers.

I told her to give me a call if she ever needed assistance and to enjoy her property - it's her land, her choice of lifestyle (she sincerely enjoys living about one level above camping) and she's happy.

We libertarians respect property rights and are pretty much live-and-let-live. HOAs and bullshit, arbitrary restrictions (and assholey nosy neighbors) are anathema to us.

I told my leftist elderly neighbor that I'm cool with her as a conservative libertarian - she told me the leftie on the other side gives her a little grief now and then. Maybe I can win one more over to the good side.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-07-18   15:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Hank Rearden (#4)

Good for you Hank !! Your elderly neighbor is lucky she has you for a neighbor. Just curious, how large are your properties ?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-07-19   7:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hank Rearden (#4)

"I have an elderly woman living next to me (200 yards away) in our wooded location out in the county - her situation is somewhat similar to this poor guy."

Hardly. She's two football fields away in the woods. And she doesn't have an old front end loader, a dump truck, used car, shipping container and a chicken coop with four hens. And you haven't said anything about county codes.

Of course you're fine with that. How magnanimous of you. Hell, you don't even know she's there. I bet it's easy being a Libertarian under those conditions.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-19   10:12:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Stoner, Hank Rearden (#5)

Just curious, how large are your properties ?

Makes no difference. His little old lady neighbor is two football fields away in a wooded area.

Let's change that neighbor to a 21-year-old guy -- living 20 yards away in a trailer, with an old front end loader, a dump truck, used car, shipping container and a chicken coop with four hens -- who likes to throw drunken parties with 20 friends every night while they race ATV's around and shoot guns at three in the morning.

Then we'll see how Libertarian our Hank Rearden is.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-19   10:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#1)

It is his property asshole. People who think like you on this subject need to be taken behind the shed and shot. Fuck you commie who hates and doesn't comprehend the concept of private property.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-19   10:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Hank Rearden (#4) (Edited)

You sound like a decent man Hank. You would make a good neighbor. If misterwhite lived next to me and ran his mouth I would kick his ass. If he called the cops kick his ass again.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-19   10:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)

It is his property asshole.

Yep. And he's free to do whatever he wants as long as he's not violating the law or county codes.

Certainly you agree with that?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-19   10:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#10)

I agree you are a commie who needs to be hit in the head with a 2x4.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-19   10:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Stoner (#5)

Just curious, how large are your properties ?

Not huge; this is rural residential in virgin woodlands. About 3-5 acres for most of us, some bigger, nothing smaller than 3 I believe.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-07-19   22:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#6)

Hell, you don't even know she's there.

I can see her trailers from my master bedroom window. Still ok.

And the sound of occasional gunfire around here isn't unusual - most of us own weapons and some practice at home instead of the range. Again, they're cool about it, responsible and we have zero crime because guess what - you can hear the gunfire from some distance.

Even idiot bad guys figured out to go look elsewhere, like the decrepit old leftist foo-foo homes in town.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-07-19   22:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#10) (Edited)

And he's free to do whatever he wants as long as he's not violating the law or county codes.

Both of those are created by people who could only get government 'jobs' and the lobbyists who bribe them, so we take their excretions under advisement and judge them on their own merit and against standards of common sense.

Unless there's a cookout party or suchlike, we pretty much leave each other be.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-07-19   22:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Tiny Houses are cool...,well, until the local developer cabal says they aren't.

https://tinyhousebuild.com/understanding-zoning-and-tiny- houses/

"Be Be Be Prepared the motto of the Boy Scouts..."

VxH  posted on  2017-07-20   14:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#10) (Edited)

You're not too big on the whole "secure the inalienable rights of the governed" idea are ya Comrade White?

VxH  posted on  2017-07-20   15:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: VxH (#16)

You're not too big on the whole "secure the inalienable rights of the governed" idea are ya Comrade White?

Are you referring to the rights of the neighbor who already lived there? Or do you think rights are reserved for people who break the rules and tug at your heartstrings?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-20   15:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#17)

LOL.

the neighbor who already lived there

You talking about the progressive yuppies in Conifer?

Boohoo for them and the rug/apple munching brainworks of the farm.

VxH  posted on  2017-07-22   12:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#8)

#8. To: misterwhite (#1)

It is his property asshole. People who think like you on this subject need to be taken behind the shed and shot. Fuck you commie who hates and doesn't comprehend the concept of private property.

A K A Stone posted on 2017-07-19 10:22:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit

I'm sorry I said that. Sometimes when I get on here and I guess the closest word is "vent". I got carried away for lack of a better expression I can think of and went to far.

So I am banning myself for one week.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-25   1:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite (#7)

Let's change that neighbor to a 21-year-old guy -- living 20 yards away in a trailer, with an old front end loader, a dump truck, used car, shipping container and a chicken coop with four hens -- who likes to throw drunken parties with 20 friends every night while they race ATV's around and shoot guns at three in the morning.

The words "dip shit" and "liar" were invented to describe you,weren't they?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-07-25   4:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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