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Title: Trump quasi-endorses Le Pen: "She’s the strongest on what’s been going on in France"
Source: HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2017/04/ ... -strongest-whats-going-france/
Published: Apr 22, 2017
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2017-04-22 00:59:11 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 7253
Comments: 31

Coincidentally she’s also the preferred candidate of Vladimir Putin, who correctly sees in her victory not just the end of the European Union but potentially the end of NATO. His bet on Trump during the campaign hasn’t paid off for him (so far). A bet on Le Pen, replete with interference on her behalf, is a surer thing.

Trump was careful today to say he’s not formally endorsing her, knowing how that would irritate the French establishment and potentially some undecided French voters, but this is an endorsement in everything but name.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Trump said that while he is not explicitly endorsing Le Pen, the [Paris] attack [yesterday] played to her strengths.

“She’s the strongest on borders, and she’s the strongest on what’s been going on in France,” Trump said in the Oval Office interview. “Whoever is the toughest on radical Islamic terrorism, and whoever is the toughest at the borders, will do well in the election.”…

U.S. presidents typically avoid weighing in on specific candidates running in overseas election. But Trump suggested his opinion was no different from an average observer, saying, “Everybody is making predictions on who is going to win. I’m no different than you.”

I’m pretty sure his opinion counts differently than an AP reporter’s, especially when it’s published two days before the French vote. Anyway, for all of the hype lately about Steve Bannon being marginalized in the White House, this is a solid victory for him. Bannon is a Le Pen admirer and has been candid about wanting to see the nationalist tide in the U.S. and UK sweep across Europe. It’s been rough sledding lately, though, with the poor performance of Geert Wilders’s party in the Dutch elections last month and the decline of the AfD in Germany, which has been tanking in recent polls. By back-patting the National Front, Trump’s giving his nationalist base a boost and clawing back some of the credibility he’s lost with them over the last few weeks as Kushner and Cohn have nudged Bannon aside for influence.

At a minimum, nationalists want Le Pen in the top two on Sunday, which will advance her to the national runoff in two weeks. The worst-case scenario for them is that she misses the cut; the best-case is that she faces off with communist Jean-Luc Melenchon, another Putin admirer whose radicalism might push centrists into Le Pen’s camp and make her president. If her opponent is either of the two centrist candidates, Emmanuel Macron or Francois Fillon, she’s expected to lose but stands a chance. So who’s the favorite? Errrrrr, no one knows. The polls have been absurdly even for weeks, with Macron and Le Pen around 22-23 percent apiece and Fillion and Melenchon a few points back in the 19-20 range. Given the margin of error, any two of the four could end up in the runoff. On top of that, data nerds suspect that French pollsters are “herding” their results, i.e. fiddling with their assumptions to make their numbers more closely resemble their competitors’ because they’re worried about publishing data that looks like an outlier. Put all of that together and there’s no telling, really, who’s winning. PredictWise currently has Macron as a 56 percent favorite to become president with Le Pen next at 20 percent, but why they have any faith in the polling under the circumstances, I have no idea.

Another question: What effect might Trump’s quasi-endorsement have on Le Pen’s chances? Nationalists there may be cheered by support from nationalists here, just as the reverse is true, but what about the wider French electorate? A poll taken early last October, about a month before the U.S. voted, found that 86 percent of French citizens wanted Clinton to win versus 11 percent who preferred Trump. A few weeks later, a YouGov poll put the split at 62/9, with five percent saying they thought Trump would be a “good” or “great” president and 69 percent saying he’d be “poor” or “terrible.” There’s serious backlash potential to his warm words for Le Pen — if the French get to hear about it. By law, French media is required to black out election news beginning at midnight tonight until the votes are counted on Sunday. Apparently Trump’s words are already being reported on some French news sites, but not everyone may find out before the first round of voting. Then again, hadn’t all interested parties already guessed which way he’s leaning? And if you’re a French voter, would that matter to you more than, say, who’ll best handle terrorism after Thursday’s Paris attack?

Here’s a gassy little video fart that Macron, the centrist independent, posted to Twitter yesterday. Looks like we’ve got ourselves an honest-to-goodness proxy war between the current and former U.S. administrations. As of last June, 84 percent of French citizens said they had confidence in Obama to do the right thing in world affairs.
Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion @BarackObama. pic.twitter.com/8rhNdHkLo8

— Emmanuel Macron (@EmmanuelMacron) April 20, 2017


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So 0bama isn't endorsing Macron. Additionally, Trump isn't endorsing Le Pen. It just looks like they are.

So it seems no one is trying to interfere in the French election except Russia.

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#3. To: All, Vicomte13 (#0)

Telegraph: Marine Le Pen gets poll boost after Paris attack as Donald Trump says her chances of victory have improved

I know, the Telegraph. Even so...

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-22   10:02:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#3)

I think Le Pen will complete the trifecta: Brexit, Trump, Le Pen. The common folk are rebelling, politely, through the ballot box. We, the British and the French are fortunate that we have such a system. It would be very UNfortunate to disregard what the peasants are saying. They've won the elections. Try to take away with legerdemain what they won at the ballot box, and they will come back, with pitchforks.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-22   17:09:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

The common folk are rebelling, politely, through the ballot box.

There is something different about this current French election.

Doing interviews, people say that it is a disaster because no matter who is elected, 80% of the public will hate them.

Up to 30% of the voters may cast blank ballots to object to the candidates offer.

Perhaps most important, a large number of those interviewed or polled indicate they will stay home in the second round if their preferred candidate does not prevail.

And that would mean the center-Left, the center-Right, and the hard Left might not unite to stop LePen.

Recall how many Bernie fans felt burned by what the DNC did to tip the nomination to Hitlery over and over. They stayed home or voted for Stein. And enough of them did so for Trump to win the 3 northern industrial states.

Could something similar be happening in the French electorate?

Anyway, the mood as described in many publications is simply not the mood of a normal French election. Something is happening.

Maybe they'll unite to defeat Le Pen again but there is an upheaval among the voters, it seems.

Maybe it is Marine's perfect storm. Like Trump's perfect storm was here.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-22   17:16:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#12)

Doing interviews, people say that it is a disaster because no matter who is elected, 80% of the public will hate them.

Up to 30% of the voters may cast blank ballots to object to the candidates offer.

L'arbre de la liberté ne saurait croître s'il n'était arrosé du sang des rois.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-22   17:30:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#15)

L'arbre de la liberté ne saurait croître s'il n'était arrosé du sang des rois.

Well, Jefferson obviously agreed.

It is a little surprising how much he plagiarized and no one ever mentions it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-22   17:38:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)

How about this famous chestnut, which Georges Clemenceau spoke in 1895 bout his 22 year old son when challenged by a political opponent because the young man was a radical.

"My son is 22 years old. If he had not become a Communist at 22, I would have disowned him. If he is still a Communist at 30, I will do it then."

Soon, Clemenceau altered the language to this:

N'être pas socialiste à vingt ans est preuve d'un manque de cœur ; l'être après trente ans est preuve d'un manque de tête.

Clemenceau was merely adopting a line from Francois Guizot, a minister at the court of King Louis Philippe, said in the 1820s:

N'être pas républicain à vingt ans est preuve d'un manque de cœur ; l'être après trente ans est preuve d'un manque de tête.

Winston Churchill is said to have said the same thing, which is not surprising because the young Winston Churchill was very impressed by President Clemenceau during the First World War.

But like many things that are attributed to him, Churchill didn't originate it. The tendency to attribute things to him that he didn't say even has a name "Churchillian Drift".

Yogi Berra had an expression for this "I didn't say half the things I said."

Generally speaking, if it is witty and you think it came from some famous person you know, he got it from some French person you don't know.

Yet another example: "Kill them all - let God sort them out". The Marines claim this as their own.

But actually, it was Arnaud Amaury at the siege of Beziers in 1212, who told Simon de Monfort "Tuez-les tous, Dieu reconnaîtra les siens. "

"God is on the side of the bigger battalions" was originally written in 1674 by Madame de Sevigne "Dieu est tourjours pour les gros bataillons."

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-22   19:09:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#18)

Macron finished #1, Le Pen #2.

Now comes the inevitable outcome:

DailyCaller: French Politicians Make Desperate Call To Block Le Pen Presidency

IOW, exactly as they had done in past elections. Don't bother to read it as they seem to run those same articles in France in each election. Maybe they don't even bother to write new ones and just republish the same ones each time. "Hide under your beds because Le Pen is Hitler!". Very tiresome.

Now we'll find out whether all those voters who said "My guy or the highway" and that they would stay home if their guy wasn't in the runoff actually were serious.

If they stay home as they said they will, Le Pen has a good chance.

If they change their minds and turn out, she'll be easily defeated again.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Well, we have to be running low on pertinent French clichés by now, non?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-23   19:04:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative (#19)

Le Pen came in SECOND. She won't win the second tour. France will remain globalist and European. And in 50 years France will be lost. it will be a predominantly Arab, Muslim country.

The Germans could be rolled back, because there were other strong nations. The Muslims cannot be.

With this election, Le Pen has arrived at Moscow like Napoleon. But the winter is coming, and it's all downhill for France from here.

It's terrible and it's sad, but ultimately everything dies. Nations die. Where is Babylon? Where is Sparta? Where is Rome? Gone with the Wind. By the end of this century, France and England and the rest of Europe will be facing the fate of Asia Minor in the 1200s. With Le Pen they have their chance to turn the tide, but they cannot bring themselves to do it, their civil religion is too ossified, and Christianity is dead.

So the future of Europe is to become part of Dar es Islam.

Maybe the Muslims really ARE the people of God. When God gives victory after victory over the course of centuries, maybe that is a sign.

It's too bad.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-23   23:03:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

With this election, Le Pen has arrived at Moscow like Napoleon. But the winter is coming, and it's all downhill for France from here.

She still has a chance but I'd bet on the shallow Macron. But I also thought there was no question of Hitlery beating Trump.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-24   2:17:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#22. To: Tooconservative (#21) (Edited)

She still has a chance but I'd bet on the shallow Macron. But I also thought there was no question of Hitlery beating Trump.

She has no chance. It's a completely different system. In the US, there are three parties: Democrat, Republican and Independent. Victory goes to the party that wins the Independents.

Independents are neither reliably Left or Right. I'm an Independent, precisely because I think that Republicans are fools when it comes to economics, and Democrats are fools when it comes to national security. In general, national security trumps with me, because I recognize that international relations determine the cost of running our government.

In France, though, there are four of five different parties, and the only permanent party apparatuses are the Communists, the Socialists and the National Front. The center, where French politics lie, is really the American Independents, but it is not permanently organized. Rather, it forms political alliances around specific men who are leaders. The Americans just experimented with this with Trump, who would have won on either ticket.

DeGaulle was DeGaulle. His party formed around him, and was called the Gaullists. Pompidou inherited that, but he was no DeGaulle, and so Giscard arose, with the party structured around his personality. The UDF didn't really win - Giscard did. And once he lost. the UDF was effectively done.

Mitterand was a Socialist, but the Socialists didn't win because they were Socialist. They won because Mitterand was a man of renown, and because the problems of Giscard's presidency made him unacceptable for a second tour.

Chirac created a new party to run with, and won. But the French center is fissible, and would only endure Sarkozy for one tour.

Then Hollande, another Socialist who won due to party organization not personality. The French Presidency is really an elective Kingship. It was made for a man like DeGaulle. Hollande is the antithesis of DeGaulle, and he failed spectacularly. In truth, the only other French President in the 5th Republic who had the stature of the office was Mitterand. The others were one- termers because they were not convicing Kings. Chirac was also far too weak (and dodgy) to hold the office. The only reason he was re-elected was the same reason that Macron will be elected: the opponent was a Le Pen and the Front National.

In America, the Independents are very numerous and favor one side or another based on the issues.

In France, the Center is Center Right, and disunited, but they all vote for the more centrist European candidate in every election. Mitterand won because he was Mitterand, running against Giscard - the same reason that anybody running against Hollande would win. Mitterand was re-elected because he was regal.

All of that is to say, Le Pen has no chance. The Far Right already voted for her. The Far Left (Communists) and Center Left (Socialists) will unite with the economic right (the old UDF - essentially, Macron's niche) and provide a bloc not big enough to win. And so it will be the Republicans - the Chirac/Sarkozy/Fillon voters who will decide the election. They will break 2:1 for Macron, who shares their values but is too liberal for their tastes (in the sense that Macron will deregulate and reduce the government footprint, heading towards a much freer market than the French center right likes).

Compared to Le Pen, who will dismantle the European Union, Macron is much more a fellow traveler.

Le Pen cannot win. To have a chance, she had to poll first. She didn't.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-24 09:52:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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