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Title: WATCH: Cops Raid Innocent Marine Vet’s Home as He Slept, Beat Him in Bed
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ma ... sered-bed/#sf14DxUhZPq9rrcg.99
Published: Apr 20, 2017
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2017-04-21 10:12:30 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1193
Comments: 120

Boyes Hot Springs, CA — Only in police state USA could an argument over a husband failing to notice his wife’s haircut end with police tasering and severely beating a man as he lays in bed. That is exactly what happened to Marine Corps veteran Fernando Del Valle — and he’s got the video to prove it.

Although the incident occurred last September, the video was just released. It shows the horrifying nature of a problem cop who’s overly prone to violence.

On the night of September 24, Del Valle, 38, and his wife had some drinks and got into an argument after he failed to notice her haircut. The argument became heated but never once turned physical.

As Del Valle retreated into the bedroom and locked himself in, the couple’s screaming got the attention of the neighbors, who, in turn, called the police.

Just as the argument begins to calm down, cops burst into the couple’s home. Del Valle, who is trying to go to sleep in bed is then woken up by the sound of Sonoma County sheriff’s deputies breaking down his bedroom door.

Before the video begins, the deputies allegedly order Del Valle to stand up.

That’s when Del Valle turns on his camera and warns the deputies, “I got you on video. Go ahead. Tase me.”

Remember, Del Valle had committed no crime and had harmed no one. Yet, here he is with three armed men in his bedroom threatening to inflict bodily harm on him. And, within seconds, that just what Deputy Scott Thorne, 40, did.

“Sir, I’m just laying here trying to sleep and you’re …,” Del Valle said. “I’m not standing up. I’m in my house. I’m sleeping.”

As Thorne steps forward, he’s seen on the video aiming his taser at the bare chest of Del Valle who is wearing only gym shorts. He then fires.

When the taser hits him, Del Valle can be heard screaming. At this point, the baton comes out, according to Del Valle’s attorney, and Thorne begins laying in to the defenseless man in his own bed.

“He’s not doing anything!” his wife screams as the deputy continously beats her husband over and over with his baton and taser.

The video then ends as Del Valle shouts repeatedly, “Call my lawyer!”

Del Valle was not able to record the entire encounter, but the beating continued well after it stopped.

According to the Press Democrat, a spokesman for Sheriff Steve Freitas could not comment on the cellphone video but agreed the deputies’ three videos raised concerns from the start about excessive force. After watching them, department brass immediately turned the case over to Santa Rosa police for criminal investigation, Sgt. Spencer Crum said.

“We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

However, none of that matters to Thorne’s attorney who is naturally defending the actions of this brutal cop.

“His position is he followed procedure,” Thorne’s lawyer Chris Andrian said, noting that he acted in accordance with his training.

As for Del Valle, after he was severely beaten by Thorne — for no reason — he was then arrested and brought to jail. However, once police attempted to charge him with something, they realized they had no evidence of him committing a crime, so he was let go.

Del Valle’s lawyer, Izaak Schwaiger, said, in all, Del Valle was tasered 2 to 3 times and suffered at least 15 baton blows, causing neurological damage and a separated shoulder.

Del Valle has since filed a lawsuit against the department, seeking damages above $25,000.


Poster Comment:

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

There's a real shocker!!

The cop probably "feared for his life" because Del Valle had a lethal weapon nearby - a pillow!

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

That’s when Del Valle turns on his camera and warns the deputies, “I got you on video. Go ahead. Tase me.”

He'll never win. They'll argue that he was willing to be tased.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   10:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)

We lived for 1000 years without police. Maybe we should again.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-21   10:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

We lived for 1000 years without police. Maybe we should again.

I'm willing enough. But you'll never convince the public. They don't want the job of defending themselves.

And you must know that abolishing police would lead to an equal or larger number of people getting killed by people defending themselves.

And of course you would put an end to the courts overall. No traffic laws, no family courts, etc. Because those all function only because of the threat of police power.

So I don't think you mean it. At all. I think you're just dangling a little red meat for the Bubbas here at LF, just to see how many might agree.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   10:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3) (Edited)

So I don't think you mean it. At all. I think you're just dangling a little red meat for the Bubbas here at LF, just to see how many might agree.

I mean it right after I read these articles. I am so furiously pissed at this abuse that, in moment, I'm ready to shut down the police force and execute the police.

Things have gotten out of hand in America, and it needs to stop.

With time, the anger passes. I know we are not going to do anything about it. Excessive violence is a feature of our culture, and we're not going to change anything.

True justice for the victims and the abusers will be found in the afterlife, where there is no such thing as "Qualified Immunity" before God.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-04-21   11:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#0)

Before the video begins, the deputies allegedly order Del Valle to stand up ... Del Valle said “I’m not standing up.

No need to read any more than that. We all know what happens after those kind of statements.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-04-21   12:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

I mean it right after I read these articles. I am so furiously pissed at this abuse that, in moment, I'm ready to shut down the police force and execute the police.

An excited utterance. I get that.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   12:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#0)

"Del Valle shouts repeatedly, “Call my lawyer!”

And who is "his" lawyer? None other than Izaak Schwaiger, "who has carved a niche as a go-to lawyer on police brutality cases".

What a coincidence.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-04-21   12:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#0)

" As for Del Valle, after he was severely beaten by Thorne — for no reason — he was then arrested and brought to jail. However, once police attempted to charge him with something, they realized they had no evidence of him committing a crime, so he was let go. "

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

But he was tazed & beaten simply because he had insulted the cops ego. HOW DARE HE ???

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-04-21   13:11:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#5) (Edited)

Looks to me like Officer Thorne had no business being a cop in the first place.

According to the Press Democrat, a spokesman for Sheriff Steve Freitas could not comment on the cellphone video but agreed the deputies’ three videos raised concerns from the start about excessive force. After watching them, department brass immediately turned the case over to Santa Rosa police for criminal investigation, Sgt. Spencer Crum said.

“We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

*********

Not just one job but JOBS. Haw many? Who knows.

What other profession allows you to be fired from a job for beating people up and then going to the next town and getting the same job?

Why is it you never see these assholes jailed AFTER they have been fired?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   13:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#9)

“We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

They've thrown him under the bus.

This is yet one more example of a bad cop moving from jurisdiction to jurisdiction after getting into trouble. I've often thought this is likely a very underreported aspect of these kinds of cases.

This is why I have always advocated for bonding or requiring cops to carry their own liability insurance. When a cop is covered by a town or county insurance policy, they don't pay a personal price or see their own "malpractice" insurance rates rise. And the taxpayers always get punished for the misdeeds of the minority of bad cops that their local agency employs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   14:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#9)

Why is it you never see these assholes jailed AFTER they have been fired?

If you did something like that, you might see corrupt prosecutors in jail along with them.

The system protects itself. Judges, prosecutors, cops, review boards, they all cover each others' asses, just like a criminal gang.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   14:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Hey, Deckard …

The police officer in the video you posted shot and killed a Navy vet.

Now a Vietnam vet in the video I post here shot and killed a police officer.

Some may say that kinda evens things up….huh?

Notice how many the police officer in the second video kept repeatedly yelling to the Vietnam vet to “put the gun down.”

Unfortunately, the police officer told the Vietnam vet one too many times to put the gun down….and lost life for being too patient and too reserve.

The police officer should never have told the Vietnam vet one even time to put the gun down….the police officer should have shot the son of a bitch immediately when the Vietnam vet pulled gun.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   14:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin (#12) (Edited)

That cop waited way too long to shoot. He should have shot as soon as the vet went to the cab to get his gun out with no further warnings. Some would say he had grounds to shoot when the VietVet charged him physically while acting nuts. I wouldn't disagree. If you charge a cop with obvious hostile intent, you're gonna get shot. If it was me, I would likely have shot when the crazed screaming combat vet charged at me physically. At that point, everything turned lethal.

Wiki: Murder of Kyle Dinkheller

He was 22. His only son was born 8 months after he died so at least he didn't win a Darwin Award but he really should have shot sooner. No one would have faulted him.

His killer was finally executed in 2015. Long overdue. And confining him for 15 years cost the taxpayers at least a half-million and that's before you get to all the endless legal expenses for all his appeals.

Although Brannan's lawyers tried to get his death sentence commuted on the grounds that he was not criminally responsible for his conviction by reason of insanity, both the Georgia Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court refused to intervene on his behalf on the day his execution was scheduled to take place.[15] Brannan was executed by lethal injection at 8:33 p.m. (EST) on January 13, 2015. He was 66 years old at the time of his death at the Georgia Diagnostic and Classification State Prison near Jackson, Georgia.[18] He made a final statement, in which he said "I extend my condolences to the Dinkheller family, especially Kyle's parents and his wife and his two children" and "I feel like my status was slow torture for the last 15 years. I had to say that with them here. I have to tell the truth. I'm certainly glad to be leaving."[15] A pastor then delivered a prayer and Brannan was executed.[15]

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   15:45:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#0)

The graphic account [posted in the article o this thread]] of an officer- involved shooting from August 30, 2016, serves to illustrate the failures of modern-day policing, officer training, and complexities of demanding 100 percent compliance of the general population during a traffic stop. From the just released dash camera footage of Bell County, Texas Sheriff’s Cpl. Shane Geers, one can see the officer was in pursuit of a small dark colored SUV, sirens blazing.

Paraphrasing: A replay of the graphic video below of a Vietnam vet involved shooting serves to illustrate the failure of modern-day policing, officer training, and complexities of not requiring 100 percent compliance with an individual to follow instructions during a traffic stop. From the dash camera footage of Laurens County Sheriff's Kyle Dinkheller. one can see what happened when a law enforcement officer wait too long before …

The action in this video was fortunately captured on a personal video recorder Deputy Dinkheller had placed on his patrol car dashboard and activated when he pulled over motorist Vietnam veteran Andrew Howard Brannan for speeding

This video and Dinkheller’s murder continues to get national attention and serves as a trining film in police academies across the country.

In the shootout, Dinkheller was armed with his semi-automatic service handgun, and Brannan had an M1 Carbine rifle. Dinkheller shot and wounded Brannan. Despite this, Brannan fired the rifle, reloaded it, fired a lethal shot into Dinkheller's eye, and fled the scene in his Toyota truck. The next morning, police found Brannan still in Laurens County, Georgia, hiding in a sleeping bag beneath a camouflage tarp. Police arrested Brannan for the murder of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller.

Brannan pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, claiming in part that he suffered from posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) stemming from his military service as a soldier in the Vietnam War. Because Deputy Dinkheller's video recorded most of Brannan's actions, the jury found he murdered Dinkheller in a premeditated, torturous, and cruel manner.

Two years following the murder, the jury found Brannan guilty of murder. Brannan was sentenced to death and the State of Georgia executed Brannan by lethal injection.

That brings us back to your post, Deckard …
The man in the SUV was 59-year-old, Lyle P. Blanchard, a US Navy veteran. While it appears Geers was following a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed, the two vehicles weren’t going all that fast. Geers must have noticed an officer was following him, so he decided to pull over, as nearly all driver’s education courses teach us to do. That’s where the story begins, but it does not end that way for either man.
The story could have ended safely for both men had Lyle Blanchard simply acted in the manner as the following video instructs. The procedures in and information in this video should be, if they are not already, included in all driver’s education courses. These instructions should be aired by TV as a public service announcement.

If you have never seen this video, it is a must. If you have seen it, it is worth seeing again …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   16:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#14)

.... posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) ...

There seems to be way too much of this shit going around.

Some of it of course is tragically true.

But I wonder how many are just using it as a cop out.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   16:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#13)

I was reading about this, only to return and find you had posted the information.

Thanks …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   16:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#16)

You always have far too many “hate-cop” threads going on at once.

How about limiting them to one a day so that we all need no be continually jumping back and forth and sometime posting on the wrong thread….as I just did.

But, what the Hell…the my message is befitting for both your threads …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   16:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#13)

It is indeed tragic when an officer is needlessly gunned down by some worthless perv!

It is equally tragic when an innocent civilian is needlessly gunned down by an over zealous officer!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-04-21   16:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin (#17)

How about limiting them to one a day so that we all need no be continually jumping back and forth and sometime posting on the wrong thread….as I just did.

Don't blame me for your idiocy asshole.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   17:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deckard (#19)

That’s really no problem….I’ll tear this article to shreds, now that I have finished ripping the article about Blanchard to pieces.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   17:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#20)

I’ll tear this article to shreds,

Gee, I think not - unless you want to defend a cop who has already been fired for his egregious behavior in this case.

After watching the videos, department brass immediately turned the case over to Santa Rosa police for criminal investigation... “We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

Read that again Gatslime - fired from not just one job but JOBS. How many? More than one obviously - 3, 4? Probably at least.

What other profession allows you to be fired from a job for beating people up and then going to the next town and getting the same job? Certainly not the military. Certainly not any job field that I know of.

And you really want to keep defending this POS when his own employers won't?

This is a big part of the problem - why is it you never see these assholes JAILED after they have been fired? Instead they just sign on with another PD and continue the same abuse.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   17:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#0)

… Marine Corps veteran was tasered and severely beaten …
This is tragic and should never have occurred.

But the point I want to make here is that these fake news and yellow journalism always mention the military association with the perp but never mention the military association of the law enforcement officer(s).

Had the author done this, the lead in to this article would probably been written as …

A Marine Corps veteran police officer tasered and severely beat a Marine Corps veteran as he lay in bed.
See what I mean. because …
The majority of law enforcement officers are ex-military and many are still active in the reserves or National Guard.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   17:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#21)

I’ll tear this article to shreds,

Gee, I think not - unless you want to defend a cop who has already been fired for his egregious behavior in this case.

If that’s the case, then you may finally have been the “blind squirrel that did find an acorn.”

It’s about damned time you did….after all of the trashy lies you have continually posted.

But, I will be the one who decides….it will definitely not be you.

Your warped judgment can never even be considered.

I will let you know what I find …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   17:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin (#14)

This video and Dinkheller’s murder continues to get national attention and serves as a training film in police academies across the country.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if it wasn't used that way.

Along with a speech about a cop's duty to survive the day's work and go home to his family. And to preserve his own life so he can report for work and keep the public safe again tomorrow.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   17:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Tooconservative (#24)

... I like that.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   17:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#15)

There seems to be way too much of this shit going around.

They've greatly expanded this category. Now it includes rape victims, assault victims, stalking victims, etc. And the Snowflake crowd that gets "triggered" over someone farting near them.

These vague categories invite volunteer "victims". After all, it's pretty hard for white people to be Victim Du Jour unless they can claim autism/ADHD/bipolar/manic-depressive/PTSD/transgender/gay.

If you could find a way to claim all of those at once, you'd really have a good racket, eh?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   17:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#22) (Edited)

The majority of law enforcement officers are ex-military...

No, they aren't. You are trying to make a claim that ex-soldiers make good cops. It ain't necessarily so.

Soldiers have a combat mindset, a trait we are starting to see too much of in modern policing. Cops are not soldiers.

Add to that - many if not most police departments have been hyper-militarized. Cops are taking on tactics of soldiers, armored vehicles, military-style uniforms, military mindset where all citizens are viewed as criminals.

Either way - the military "culture" seen in most police departments has a dangerously influential impact on law enforcement.

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How the War on Terror Has Militarized the Police

The most serious consequence of the rapid militarization of American police forces, however, is the subtle evolution in the mentality of the "men in blue" from "peace officer" to soldier. This development is absolutely critical and represents a fundamental change in the nature of law enforcement. The primary mission of a police officer traditionally has been to "keep the peace."

Those whom an officer suspects to have committed a crime are treated as just that - suspects. Police officers are expected, under the rule of law, to protect the civil liberties of all citizens, even the "bad guys." For domestic law enforcement, a suspect in custody remains innocent until proven guilty. Moreover, police officers operate among a largely friendly population and have traditionally been trained to solve problems using a complex legal system; the deployment of lethal violence is an absolute last resort.

Soldiers, by contrast, are trained to identify people they encounter as belonging to one of two groups -- the enemy and the non-enemy -- and they often reach this decision while surrounded by a population that considers the soldier an occupying force. Once this identification is made, a soldier's mission is stark and simple: kill the enemy, "try" not to kill the non-enemy. Indeed, the Soldier's Creed declares, "I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat." This is a far cry from the peace officer's creed that expects its adherents "to protect and serve."  

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   18:10:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#24)

...a cop's duty to survive the day's work and go home to his family. And to preserve his own life so he can report for work and keep the public safe again tomorrow.

The new definition of "hero".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   18:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tooconservative (#26)

... you'd really have a good racket, eh?

They probably are making all kinds of monetary claims for this "disability" …

My brother came back for the “Big War.” I could take my slingshot and hit three neighbors who also came back from the war. I was in ag classes (FFA) in high school for 4 years and I assisted the ag teacher one week a night in the ag building and shop where 20 or so local WWII vets came to ag classes under the GI Bill.

I became friendly with them and got to know them rather well. I never heard of anyone becoming an alcoholic or drug addict [of course recreational drugs were unknown in those days]. No one ever heard of or knew anything about PTSD. The only thing, and it was not considered strange, no one ever talked about what they did in the war and I never asked.

I compare those days and those vets with today when everyone and his brother, whether they were ever in a combat zone or not claims to be suffering from PTSD. Not too long ago, I read about a personnel clerk who had always been stateside was said to be suffering from PTSD.

They all seem to be getting away with it, although no doubt some really are truly troubled by it.

Funny True Story: I kid you not, my wife recently asked me to do a long ard arduous heavy duty chore. I had just finished reading about the personnel clerk and his PTSD. I told my wife that I couldn’t do the chore because I had developed PTSD….it didn’t work for me.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   18:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#28)

The new definition of "hero".

I don't appreciate your sarcasm.

I meant what I said.

There is too much cop worship in this country and too much deference to almost anything they do. But what I said is still true.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   18:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#27)

When these guys ….

Became these guys …

But that’s something you can’t understand …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   18:51:16 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#29)

The only thing, and it was not considered strange, no one ever talked about what they did in the war and I never asked.

That generation knew better than to dwell on hardships. They grew up in the Depression and survived the war. They knew better.

I told my wife that I couldn’t do the chore because I had developed PTSD….it didn’t work for me.

Keep watching Deckard's videos and take an acting class at the local community college.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   18:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative (#30)

I don't appreciate your sarcasm.

I meant what I said.

Sarcasm? Not really - I know you meant what you said even thought your post could have been construed as sarcasm too.

There is too much cop worship in this country and too much deference to almost anything they do.

I've made that point several times.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   18:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#27)

How the War on Terror Has Militarized the Police

It has not….militarization of police forces has simply become the latest buzz phrase for cop-haters.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   18:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Tooconservative (#32)

It's interesting how you two lovebirds are claiming that PTSD is a scam.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   18:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tooconservative (#32)

Keep watching Deckard's videos and take an acting class at the local community college.

Funny ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   18:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Gatlin (#34) (Edited)

...militarization of police forces has simply become the latest buzz phrase for cop-haters.

How many police departments had armored vehicles before the WOT started?

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-21   19:04:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deckard (#37)

I want Congress to force them to park those at local National Guard armories unless a governor okays their use in a state of emergency or to apprehend violent drug gangs or jihadis.

They don't need those things on a daily basis. It invites abuse and a heavy-handed approach to the public.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   19:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deckard (#37)

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

What would you have to piss and moan about….oh, you would find something, no doubt.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   19:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Tooconservative (#38)

I want Congress to force them to park those at local National Guard armories unless a governor okays their use in a state of emergency or to apprehend violent drug gangs or jihadis.

They don't need those things on a daily basis. It invites abuse and a heavy-handed approach to the public.

They are not used on a daily basis….that I know of, do you?

If they are parked at a local National Guard armory, that can be many miles away and it may take hours to locate the guy with a key during night time hours. The armories I know are not manned 24/7.

How is a governor better qualified to say when they should or should not be used that a local Police Chief of Sheriff?

“Invites” a nebulous term….if there is actual abuse, then it must be dealt with.

Your position makes no sense to me….it obviously does to you.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   20:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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