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Title: Kansas Cop Kills Army Veteran’s Service Dog, then Issues him Two Citations
Source: Photography Is Not a Crime
URL Source: https://photographyisnotacrime.com/ ... 0Army%20Veteran%27s%20Service%
Published: Apr 18, 2017
Author: Ben Keller
Post Date: 2017-04-19 10:51:28 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 15549
Comments: 131

A Kansas cop shot and killed the service dog of an army veteran who suffers from PTSD on Thursday, according to the Daily Haze.

Augusta police officer Devon Keith says he was forced to shoot Alan Fitzgerald’s dog “Midnite” claiming the dog charged an animal control officer after ramming a door until it opened – making the animal control officer fear for his life.

But Fitzgerald said his dog didn’t do anything wrong and officer Keith shot him for no reason.

Alan Fitzgerald and his service dog, Midnite, before a cop shot and killed it.

Alan Fitzgerald and his service dog, Midnite, before a cop shot and killed it.

Neighbors who witnessed the shooting said the animal control officer was the one who opened the door and began acting aggressively towards the dog before shooting it.

Augusta police, along with animal control, showed up at Fitzgerald’s house Thursday afternoon after a neighbor called to complain about a German Shepard.

Fitzgerald said Midnite got out on Thursday, presumably chasing rabbits and cats as he often did. Midnite ended up several mobile homes down from his home, hovering over a neighbor’s small dog.

“It’s how he plays,” Fitzgerald explained.

Fitzgerald talked to the small dog’s owner, who said the smaller dog wasn’t hurt, just “shaken up” from Midnite towering over it.

Things settled and Fitzgerald returned home and was in the shower when he heard Midnite bark and then gunshots.

“All of a sudden, I heard this pound pound pound on the screen door,” Fitzgerald recalled.

“And I heard Midnite barking, obviously he’s going to bark because he’s guarding the house. All of a sudden then I heard shots fired and I heard my dog screaming in agony.”

Fitzgerald came out to see what was going on only to have a gun pointed at him inside of his own house.

“I got halfway out the door, and about right here where this crack is, there’s an officer standing with his gun pointed at me. I said ‘what are you guys doing here, why did you kill my dog?’ he said, ‘Get on the ground’, I said, ‘I’m not gonna get on the ground so I went inside and slammed the door,” he told KSN.

August Police Chief Tyler Brewer defended officer Keith.

Midnite-service-card copy

“The animal control officer felt in fear for his life,” the chief said.

“These officers feel horrible for having to do that.”

According to chief Brewer, when the animal control officer knocked on the door, Midnite answered.

“The front door was open but the glass screen door was shut,” Brewer explained. “The dog rushed and hit the glass of the screen door and startled the animal control officer.”

Officer Keith was forced to shoot Midnite when the animal control officer fell off the porch, hitting his head, trying to bite the officer, according to Brewer.

Midnite

Midnite

But Fitzgerald’s neighbor Charmin Drake says the dog got out because the animal control officer actually opened the door, not Midnite, then entered without a warrant and began kicking and even hitting Midnite with a baton.

After beating the dog, officers went outside and shot Midnite. Then they issued Fitzgerald two citations for having a vicious animal.

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression, and said he had Midnite for his PTSD.

“Whenever I was having some sort of episode of oncoming anxiety, he knew what to do. He’d come up and nudge me or do something silly. He’d turn over on his back and give that little smile, you know, that dogs give. I’m just going to miss all of that.”

Check out the Daily Haze interview with Alan Fitzgerald below.


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“The animal control officer felt in fear for his life,” the chief said.

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#1. To: Gatlin, misterwhite, Justified, cop worshipers (#0)

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   10:56:39 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#1)

How many bees or cows were a dire threat to cause physical
harm to police officers on duty over the past 50 years?

Place verything in proper perspective….right, Deckard?

Always remember that….at least try to.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   11:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

Augusta police officer Devon Keith says he was forced to shoot Alan Fitzgerald’s dog “Midnite” claiming the dog charged an animal control officer after ramming a door until it opened – making the animal control officer fear for his life.

'nuff said!

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   11:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression, and said he had Midnite for his PTSD.

Sounds like he was aggressive with that little dog down the street. And maybe with the cop, maybe not.

“The animal control officer felt in fear for his life,” the chief said.

If an animal control officer can't actually control the most common animal species subject to local laws, what good is he?

If he thought the dog was hostile, he should have been prepared to take it into custody. Unless their policy is just to have a cop shoot any dog that makes them nervous.

If they had to open the door to shoot the dog or they shot it through the door, that seems very unsafe and unlawful. It sounds like the dog just ran over and jumped up on the glass door to look them over.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   11:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Sounds like he was aggressive with that little dog down the street.

More like "playful".

And maybe with the cop, maybe not.

Cops don't understand the difference between playful and aggressive.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   11:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

Cops don't understand the difference between playful and aggressive.

Bullshit ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   11:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#2)

How many bees or cows were a dire threat to cause physical harm to police officers on duty over the past 50 years?

At least two of the killed cops - as opposed to zero, zilch, nada, bupkis cops killed by dogs.

This was a service dog - they are trained to be non-aggressive.

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression, and said he had Midnite for his PTSD.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   11:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#6)

Cops don't understand the difference between playful and aggressive.

Bullshit ...

They don't as history has proven numerous times.

Either that or they just don't give a rat's ass what or who they kill.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   11:43:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#0)

" A Kansas cop shot and killed the service dog of an army veteran who suffers from PTSD on Thursday "

What a damn shame !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-04-19   12:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#7) (Edited)

This was a service dog - they are trained to be non-aggressive.

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression, and said he had Midnite for his PTSD.

I don’t care what a dog was “trained” to do, I care what a dog did….as you should also.

Passing behavioral tests one day is “suppose” to be an “indication” of what a dog “might do” the next day. However, that test is not, and can never be, an absolute guarantee of what a dog “will do” the next day.

As soon as I saw the source of the article you posted, photographyisnotacrime.com…a warning immediately flashed through my mind to indicate that I am looking at another ad-driven agenda site on the same level as The Free Thought Project. After checking further, I knew that I definitely was.

So you must understand that I cannot give any credence to your source or accept what some “undocumented Journalist” [you like that….I just coined it] named, “Ben Keller, who resides in Austin, Texas [a bastion of liberalism], where much of his activism centers around government accountability. He thinks the public should have more access to court rooms. [What?] He volunteers for Peaceful Streets Project as well as other groups [protests] who shine light on government corruption. He has no degree and only “studied” [attended a few classes in] English Literature and Philosophy at the University of Texas at Austin.”

Hey, Bubba….your Ben Keller is a Matt Agorist [of TFTP] on steroids. Here are just a few of his recent articles. Not only is he prolific, he also has a fetish for capitals….which you cannot help but notice. That definitely indicates to me that he is no journalist.

  • TEXAS COPS SHOOT MAN MULTIPLE TIMES, LIE ABOUT IT, THEN REFUSE TO ALLOW FAMILY TO VISIT HIM IN HOSPITAL

  • WATCH: FLORIDA MOM OUTRAGED AFTER 10-YEAR-OLD AUTISTIC SON ARRESTED AT SCHOOL TRYING TO TAKE TEST

  • WATCH: FLORIDA MOM OUTRAGED AFTER 10-YEAR-OLD AUTISTIC SON ARRESTED AT SCHOOL TRYING TO TAKE TEST

  • SOUTH DAKOTA CPS FORCE CATHETER INTO 3-YEAR-OLD BOY’S PENIS IN SEARCH OF ILLEGAL DRUGS

  • WATCH: COLORADO COP SLAMS FEMALE COLLEGE STUDENT’S FACE TO THE GROUND

  • MISSOURI SHERIFF ARRESTED ON 18 COUNTS AFTER HANDCUFFING 77-YEAR-OLD WOMAN CAUSING HEART ATTACK

  • FLORIDA SHERIFF TELLS PINAC REPORTER HE HAS NO RIGHT TO PROTEST PARTICIPATION AWARD CEREMONY FOR DEPUTIES

  • NEW YORK COPS PROFILE MAN FOR LOOKING AROUND SUSPICIOUSLY IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE

  • WATCH: GEORGIA DEPUTIES KILL UNARMED TEEN BEFORE LYING TO FAMILY ABOUT CAUSE OF DEATH
Do you kinda get the theme of what Ben is all about and what his motives are. If not, then you are more stupid than I ever thought.

According to The Daily Blaze

Multiple neighbors who witnessed the shooting claim to have seen Officer Devon Keith enter Fitzgerald’s home, without permission, at which point he got into a confrontation with Midnite.
Maybe there is a way, but I fail to understand “multiple” how neighbors could have have seen this without being on the front porch with the police officer and the animal control officer. How did that know the Fitzgerald did not call from the back his home for the officers to come in? They did not.
Neither Fitzgerald or his mother were in the front of the residence when the shooting happened. Multiple witnesses say they saw Keith kick Midnite multiple times before finally shooting the German Sheperd.
Fitzgerald and his mother could not possibly have know what happened since they were in the back of the house and saw nothing of the incident.

Sport, there is just not any factual data for me to either condemn or support this action by the officers, and I will be damned and gone to Hell before I would ever “convict” them on hearsay from Ben Keller, who was nowhere near Augusta and simply took a story form the local newspaper and fabricated spin for his own agenda driven hit piece. You of course can do that, convict the officers. Wait, you have already done that. You are complete biased idiot. There has never been an ounce of objectivity in your mind….and there never will be. Pathetic …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   13:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#5)

More like "playful".

Every dog owner always insists their dog is just being playful or was just "defending" themselves.

Cops don't understand the difference between playful and aggressive.

That's very weak as an argument.

The better question is why the cops shot the dog through the door when it was not posing a threat to anyone. Why couldn't they wait for the owner to get out of the shower, etc.?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   13:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#10)

I think these stories are very incomplete on this particular dog shooting.

More heat than light.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   13:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#11)

The better question is why the cops shot the dog through the door when it was not posing a threat to anyone. Why couldn't they wait for the owner to get out of the shower, etc.?

An even better question is how do you know the cops shot the dog through the door when it was not posing a threat to anyone?

It was reported in the local newspaper that: “Neither Fitzgerald or his mother were in the front of the residence when the shooting happened.” And it was also reported: “Multiple neighbors who witnessed the shooting claim to have seen Officer Devon Keith enter Fitzgerald’s home, without permission.”

So was the dog inside the house or maybe outside….were the cops inside the house or outside….did the cops shoot the dog through the door….or not.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   13:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#12)

I think these stories are very incomplete on this particular dog shooting.

More heat than light.

I agree....there is no way to decide right or wrong from this article.

I feel that I established that the author has an agenda.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   13:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#13)

So was the dog inside the house or maybe outside….were the cops inside the house or outside….did the cops shoot the dog through the door….or not.

It sounds like he either entered the house or shot through the door.

No one is saying the dog was outside.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   13:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deckard (#8) (Edited)

Cops don't understand the difference between playful and aggressive.

Bullshit ...

They don't as history has proven numerous times.

More Bullshit …

There is no recorded “history” to prove any such thing….if you can find some, then link to it.

You are simply making a statement based on information you read on ad-driven agenda spin sites such as thefreethoughtproject.com , photographyisnotacrime.com and the likes.

Those, are not sources of history….they are the Internet equivalent to The National Inquirer and you need to realize that.

Either that or they just don't give a rat's ass what or who they kill.
That is a completely irresponsible and totally irrational fabrication for which you have no basis to make such an assertion.

Your problem accepting reality grows more severe with each passing day….you need to tend to it.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   14:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#14) (Edited)

I found another article that seems to be the original source of this article (and some other clickbaity cop-hater stories on other sites).

DailyHaze: Augusta Kansas Police shoot and kill Veteran’s service dog “Midnite” then issue him two citations

They include photos of the broken door and the dead dog outside.

Interesting to see more details here that fill out the picture. Without such detailed reporting, we all just fill in details and make assumptions on our own.



More stories from the same source:

City of Augusta, Kansas threatens arrest for anybody attending a vigil for a veteran’s service dog shot by an Augusta police officer

Augusta Police exonerate officer who killed a veteran’s service dog

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   14:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#15)

True ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   14:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#17)

Hey, great....let me consider this.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   14:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative (#17)

On the first source, now that is the way the story should be reported. It objectively gives a narrative for both sides without any editorial comment like we find on the ad-driven yellow journalism sites.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   14:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Tooconservative (#17)

Again, thanks for the link. I have been reading a local story, but not nearly this detailed.

The “broken through door” and the “dead dog at the edge of the porch” when added to the police supervisor’s statement that “the dog came flying through the door at the animal control officer”….makes me lean to a justifiable, but terribly unfortunate, shooting.

I do feel sorry for the Vet, it is undoubtedly a terrible loss.

So, I therefore will now write off yet another of Deckard’s foray into his la la world….forever trying to convince folks how terrible cops are.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   14:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#21)

The “broken through door” and the “dead dog at the edge of the porch” when added to the police supervisor’s statement that “the dog came flying through the door at the animal control officer”….makes me lean to a justifiable, but terribly unfortunate, shooting.

So now we have two sets of pix showing the screen door. One shows the door broken with a dead dog and blood stains. The other pic is claimed to have been taken within a few hours and the door looks untouched and no blood. Somehow, the "nothing wrong" version doesn't look quite the same as the one with the dead dog, like maybe it was taken at a much different time than just a few hours after the shooting.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   14:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)

I read this in your second link …

Witness accounts are much different then the narrative given by Public Safety Director Tyler Brewer
They always are. Something I was instructed to remember and consider when I was occasionally assigned temporary duty as an investigating officer.

Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts.

Deckard seems to rely heavily on the eye witness accounts in the articles he posts.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   14:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#0)

Te cop and animal control officer both need 10 years in the slammer to reconsider their actions.

rlk  posted on  2017-04-19   14:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#21)

BTW, if this dog Midnite was so gentle, why did his owner have a prominent "BEWARE OF THE DOG" sticker in the middle of the storm door?

Did the Krooked Kops just slap that on there or something?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   15:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#23)

Deckard seems to rely heavily on the eye witness accounts in the articles he posts.

Are we going to start casting doubt on every case we read about because they relied on eyewitness testimony?

I don't think so. Despite the problems with eyewitnesses (including cops and trained observers), those are often all you've got to prosecute a case with.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   15:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin, Truth Justice and the American Way, Super Journalists (#10) (Edited)

Do you kinda get the theme of what Ben is all about and what his motives are.

Yes there are a lot of bad cops, and disguised as a mild mannered reporter he's Fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2017-04-19   16:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: rlk (#24)

This dog was trained to help a man, and was shot. This incident was so sense less, and unnecessary. One day Karma will pay that cop a visit.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-04-19   17:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#25)

BTW, if this dog Midnite was so gentle, why did his owner have a prominent "BEWARE OF THE DOG" sticker in the middle of the storm door?

WHAT?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   17:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tooconservative, Gatlin, hondo68 (#17)

City of Augusta says arrests will be made for those who attend a candlelit vigil for a veteran’s service dog that was shot by an Augusta police officer last week

Hmmm...not only are the cops in that town encouraged to shoot non-aggressive service dogs, but it's also a place that does not allow freedom of assembly.

Sounds like a place Gatlin would enjoy living in.

Augusta Police exonerate officer who killed a veteran’s service dog.

Of course they did. He used the magic words "I feared for my life".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   19:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Gatlin (#10) (Edited)

I fail to understand

You should use that for a tagline.

Or just shorten it to "I fail". That would be even more accurate.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   19:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Deckard (#31)

Thanks for the prompt …

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

How is that for a tagline?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   19:29:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative, Gatlin, hondo68, Stoner (#17)

Augusta Police exonerate officer who killed a veteran’s service dog

Multiple neighbors who witnessed the shooting claim to have seen Officer Devon Keith enter Fitzgerald’s home, without permission, at which point he got into a confrontation with Midnite.

Neither Fitzgerald or his mother were in the front of the residence when the shooting happened. Multiple witnesses say they saw Keith kick Midnite multiple times before finally shooting the German Sheperd.

Despite witness accounts, the officer who shot Midnite has been exonerated because he feared for his life. Augusta Public Safety Director Tyler Brewer has been doing everything in his power to make sure the police narrative is what is heard.

The Wichita Eagle released an article so biased towards the police narrative that Brewer might as well written it. It is common for local media outlets to side with police in the area, as they deal with them so frequently. It is something we have witnessed happen time and time again all over the country.

In this case, Brewer’s account of how the shooting played out just does not seem to add up.

*****

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   19:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#32)

I fail

Just go to settings.

You can add your appropriate tagline in a few simple steps.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   19:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#30)

City of Augusta says arrests will be made for those who attend a candlelit vigil for a veteran’s service dog that was shot by an Augusta police officer last week

Hmmm...not only are the cops in that town encouraged to shoot non-aggressive service dogs, but it's also a place that does not allow freedom of assembly.

Sounds like a place Gatlin would enjoy living in.

Nah, the city of Augusta requires an ordinance for a demonstration.

Most all cities do.

Sounds to me like a bunch of libertarian assholes feel they can do whatever they want to and say “f**k you” to the city and all ordinances.

That is the way you libertarians operate….right?

Of course it’s right …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   19:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#34)

Done ...

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   19:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard, Tooconservative (#33)

Multiple neighbors who witnessed the shooting claim to have seen Officer Devon Keith enter Fitzgerald’s home, without permission, at which point he got into a confrontation with Midnite.

So, then Keith shot the dog inside the houes, threw the dog out through the bottom of the storm door and the dead dog landed on the outside edge of the porch.

Ger real!!!

You obviously didn’t look at the pictures in the link supplied by TC ...

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   19:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deckard (#33)

Neither Fitzgerald or his mother were in the front of the residence when the shooting happened. Multiple witnesses say they saw Keith kick Midnite multiple times before finally shooting the German Sheperd.

Wait just a minute.

It was reported that multiple neighbors saw Keith enter the house.

Then it was reported that multiple neighbors saw Keith kick the dog multiple times.

Query: How could the multiple neighbors see Keith kicking the dog inside the house?

Only if the multiple neighbors were standing on the porch looking directly inside the house.

Too many reports of too many neighbors seeing too many things …

You yellow journalism article is a fraud….face it.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   19:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deckard (#33)

The Wichita Eagle released an article so biased towards the police narrative that Brewer might as well written it. It is common for local media outlets to side with police in the area, as they deal with them so frequently. It is something we have witnessed happen time and time again all over the country.

ROTFLMAO …

Pot <> Kettle = Black.

As many biased yellow journalism articles you post, that you should call a local newspaper article biased is the absolute ultimate height of hypocrisy.

You are amazing….amazingly ridiculous.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   20:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#35) (Edited)

Sounds to me like a bunch of libertarian assholes

Some folks who want to hold a candlelight vigil to show their support for a man whose dog was killed by a sadistic cop - all libertarians?

You need to get some help for your obsession with all things libertarian.

...say “f**k you” to the city...

The city (by exonerating the sadistic cop) has said "fuck you" to the residents there.

There was no investigation, they didn't even talk to any of the witnesses.

As we have seen time and time again, cops can use the magic words "I feared for my life" and be cleared of any crime.

Shoot a 5 pound dachshund? "I feared for my life".

Shoot a kid holding a wii controller? "I feared for my life". Same shit, different day.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   20:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Gatlin (#37)

You obviously didn’t look at the pictures in the link supplied by TC ...

These Pictures?

In the article, Brewer continues to push the story that Midnite came “blasting up” and hit the glass door. Midnite charged the door a second time, which broke the latch loose.

Midnite was a 4-year-old 85 lbs. German Shepherd. Surely the glass door that he was “blasting up” against would have suffered some damage from Midnite charging so hard it resulted in “breaking the latch loose.”

TDH requested Fitzgerald send us pictures of his door. This is how the door currently looks after Midnite allegedly broke through it just two days ago.

We went to the Fitzgerald residence just hours after the shooting. Our entire time there, the front door was open and the glass door was closed, just as it was earlier in the afternoon. We entered and exited through the door with no problem what-so-ever. There was no apparent damage to the door, or the latch.

After busting through the glass door Midnite allegedly charged at the animal control officer, causing him to fall backward on the porch and hit his head. Amazingly, the officer managed to shoot Midnite as he was “flying through the air” towards the animal control officer.

Again, physical evidence shows Brewer’s narrative to be not impossible, but highly improbable. The Fitzgerald’s do not have a large porch. Below are pictures of Fitzgerald’s porch. The pictures give an idea of the porch’s size and how hard it would be to fall backward on it, not to mention shoot a dog lunging off of it in midair.

Multiple neighbors claim to have seen Keith open the glass door and enter the house. Witnesses claim he was then seen kicking and struggling with the dog. Brewer claims to have witnesses contradicted that account, yet there is no information on who these witnesses are.

Fitzgerald’s neighbor told TDH that they did not even get to give their statements to an officer. They were not interviewed, and instead told to give written statements that were later dismissed for reasons unknown.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   20:09:49 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deckard (#40)

I called them libertarians because they feel they are above the law and don’t need a permit to demonstrate.

That’s the libertarian creed….”fuck the law.”

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   20:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Gatlin (#42)

I called them libertarians because they feel they are above the law and don’t need a permit to demonstrate.

The Supreme Court has held that it is constitutionally permissible that local governments require a permit to conduct a peaceful assembly. However, Augusta city officials are pushing that rule more than they should be.

A permit is typically required if it is going to be a march or parade that does not stay on the sidewalk and other events that require blocking traffic or street closure, a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or a rally at certain designated parks or plazas. The vigil for Midnite does not meet any of those basic guidelines.

The City of Augusta was said to have stated they would not issue a permit for Midnite’s vigil. This alone is a problem. The Supreme Court has made it very clear that Government officials cannot prohibit a public assembly in their own discretion.

While some permits can take weeks to obtain, the First Amendment prohibits such an advance notice requirement from being used to prevent rallies or demonstrations that are rapid responses to unforeseeable and recent events.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   20:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Deckard (#41)

Multiple neighbors claim to have seen Keith open the glass door and enter the house. Witnesses claim he was then seen kicking and struggling with the dog.

Yet the bottom of the glass storm door is broken open where the dog crashed through.

So, Keith went into the house, shot the dog and threw the dog out of the house through the bottom of the storm door?

Give me a break.

That’s make no sense….someone is lying.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   20:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Deckard (#44)

In the article, Brewer continues to push the story that Midnite came “blasting up” and hit the glass door. Midnite charged the door a second time, which broke the latch loose.

The picture shows the bottom of the glass strom door and screen broken through. If the dog did not come “blasting up” through the door….then what, or who, did? One or both of the officers.

Get real …

Brewer’s version makes sense …

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   20:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Deckard (#30)

Of course they did. He used the magic words "I feared for my life".

That is a lie!

He used the magic words, "I feared for my partner's life."

You recall the other guy, the animal control henchman who almost fell off the porch, forcing him to shoot the dog.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   21:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Gatlin (#38) (Edited)

Query: How could the multiple neighbors see Keith kicking the dog inside the house?

Well, it was a trailer park apparently. So at least one neighbor would have had a living room or kitchen window right next to the porch and less than 20' away. At least, that would be typical.

However, given how these trailer parks are laid out, any other nearby residents would have been 50'-75' away and looking at a poor angle at the porch and probably couldn't see inside the house since it was daylight outside and the inside of the house was dark. This is all consistent with the photos we've seen.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   21:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Deckard (#41)

In the pix you posted, I see the neighboring trailer with a window whose blind was drawn.

It looks like they have left a blank trailer lot between the two trailers and they're planting some tree or bush there.

So any neighbor who is a witness would be 50' away or so.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   21:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deckard (#43)

The City of Augusta was said to have stated they would not issue a permit for Midnite’s vigil. This alone is a problem. The Supreme Court has made it very clear that Government officials cannot prohibit a public assembly in their own discretion.

Suppose the dog owner had shot the cop.

You think the city would have insisted that any candle vigils would have to have a permit or they would get ticketed?

I don't.

Seems kinda chickenshit to pull that permit business. Obviously, the city didn't want to get any more heat for this doggie shooting.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   21:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Deckard (#41)

Midnite was a 4-year-old 85 lbs. German Shepherd. Surely the glass door that he was “blasting up” against would have suffered some damage from Midnite charging so hard it resulted in “breaking the latch loose.”
In your pictures, there is no blood on the porch where the dog lay shot.

Your pictures are either taken before the shooting or after the shooting, when the porch was cleaned up and the door fully repaired.

Here is a picture of the dead dog with blood all over the porch.

Here is a picture of the storm door bottom with the glass and screen broken through.

Someone in your pictures did a clean up, repair and cover up to hide the evidence.

Or someone in my pictures replaced the good door with a broken bottom bad door and planted a dead dog with blood all over the porch.

Which do you logically think it is?

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:20:55 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Deckard (#43)

The City of Augusta was said to have stated they would not issue a permit for Midnite’s vigil. This alone is a problem. The Supreme Court has made it very clear that Government officials cannot prohibit a public assembly in their own discretion.

Yep, and the SCOTUS did not say that the City of Augusta could not pass an ordinance to require a permit for a public demonstration to assemble.

Check it out….numerous cities have an ordinance requiring a permit and it has never been challenged in the SCOTUS.

Another futile effort at spinning on your part….give it up.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#49)

Seems kinda chickenshit to pull that permit business.

The permit is for the protection of the city against lawsuits.

Of course, anyone can sue the city regardless as to a permit consideration.

But at least the city is partially covering its ass.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Tooconservative (#49)

You think the city would have insisted that any candle vigils would have to have a permit or they would get ticketed?

I don't.

I do.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#48)

In the pix you posted, I see the neighboring trailer with a window whose blind was drawn.

It looks like they have left a blank trailer lot between the two trailers and they're planting some tree or bush there.

So any neighbor who is a witness would be 50' away or so.

"Multiple neighbors"..."multiple neighbors"....

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Deckard (#41)

After busting through the glass door Midnite allegedly charged at the animal control officer, causing him to fall backward on the porch and hit his head. Amazingly, the officer managed to shoot Midnite as he was “flying through the air” towards the animal control officer.

Bullshit….nothing amazing about that at all.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Deckard (#41)

The pictures give an idea of the porch’s size and how hard it would be to fall backward on it

The article I read said he fell backwards “off of the porch”….meaning backwards down the steps.

Debunked again….give it up.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#44) (Edited)

I did a little search at DDG. No doubt, Google and Bing and others would yield the same results.

WhitePages.com: Alan Fitzgerald in Augusta KS

Google Maps: 1604 Cedar Ln, Augusta, KS

So you can go into the map and drag-drop the little yellow stick figure on the street where it is marked and see a Street View in all directions around this trailer house. I'll try to embed it below.

Google made a mistake with the street number and think it is 1585 Cedar Ln, not 1604 (Google is really bad at street numbers in trailer parks). But that covered porch with the red railings and the little shrub growing out front, it all looks consistent with the photos posted above.

So here is the embedded image of the place. Judge for yourself.

(Hit that little square icon at the upper-right to go full-screen and see the property in greater detail.)

One thing I noticed immediately was that Midnite would still be alive if his owner had loved his dog enough to build a small yard fence. His neighbors loved their dogs/kids enough to build fences for them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   21:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Tooconservative (#57) (Edited)

One thing I noticed immediately was that Midnite would still be alive if his owner had loved his dog enough to build a small yard fence.

When has a fence ever stopped a crazed cop from shooting a family pet?

Heartbroken Salt Lake City man berates cops after they shoot dog in back yard

Cops Show Up To Wrong House And Shoot Little Boy’s Dog

The town's chief of police, Ken Moore, says the shooting was justifiable. The dog, he claims, was showing signs of aggression and appeared to be a "dangerous" breed. A pit bull mix. (Pit bulls have a very undeserved reputation.)

"We have a right to defend ourselves so I stand by my officer in the decision that he made," Moore told News 9.

Never mind reports that the officer used a high-powered rifle he took out of his car to shoot the dog through a fence. Or that a computer glitch may have led officers to the wrong address.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   21:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Deckard (#41)

We went to the Fitzgerald residence just hours after the shooting. Our entire time there, the front door was open and the glass door was closed, just as it was earlier in the afternoon. We entered and exited through the door with no problem what-so- ever. There was no apparent damage to the door, or the latch.
Compare the two pictures of the storm door.

This one taken before the shooting or after the shoot when the door had been repaired….shows the storm door with the window and screen intact.

This one taken when the do way laying dead on the porch with blood everywhere shows the bottom window and screen broken trhough.

Either someone’s lying or the pictures are lying….which do you think?

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   21:53:24 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Gatlin (#59) (Edited)

Either someone’s lying or the pictures are lying….which do you think?

Well, at least there is some misreporting. Maybe to help gin up a clickbait headline on a cop-hater site.

You've probably noticed that "Beware Of The Dog" sign that I mentioned on the door by now. If Midnite was such a well-trained and non-aggressive dog, why did he post that sticker?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   22:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Deckard (#58)

When has a fence ever stopped a crazed cop from shooting a family pet?

Heartbroken Salt Lake City man berates cops after they shoot dog in back yard

Cops Show Up To Wrong House And Shoot Little Boy’s Dog

Stop trying to change the subject. We are discussing this guy and his dog in Augusta KS. Not anyone else.

You're trying to conflate those other incidents with this one. It doesn't work.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   22:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deckard (#58)

One thing I noticed immediately was that Midnite would still be alive if his owner had loved his dog enough to build a small yard fence.

When has a fence ever stopped a crazed cop from shooting a family pet?

Countless times….when a family pet pit bull was completely docile and not attacking a cop.

But, of course….The Free Through Project never reports that….does it?

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   22:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Tooconservative (#61)

Stop trying to change the subject. We are discussing this guy and his dog in Augusta KS. Not anyone else.

Your contention that a fence would have saved Midnite was a supposition on your part.

I merely pointed out your misconception.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   22:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Tooconservative. Deckard (#61)

When has a fence ever stopped a crazed cop from shooting a family pet? Heartbroken Salt Lake City man berates cops after they shoot dog in back yard

Cops Show Up To Wrong House And Shoot Little Boy’s Dog

Stop trying to change the subject. We are discussing this guy and his dog in Augusta KS. Not anyone else.

You're trying to conflate those other incidents with this one. It doesn't work.

He does that all the time.

His next post will probably contain 5 links on an unrelated topic.

That’s always an indication that he has given up trying to prove any point he though he may have had.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   22:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Gatlin (#64) (Edited)

That’s always an indication that he has given up trying to prove any point he though he may have had.

I'm not sure that merely trying to change the subject is tantamount to an admission but you have to keep it in mind.

Posting another half-dozen anti-cop/anti-gooberment articles in the sidebar might be a way to try to change the subject but I can't say that is the only reason to post so many at once.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   22:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deckard. Tooconservative (#63)

Stop trying to change the subject. We are discussing this guy and his dog in Augusta KS. Not anyone else. Your contention that a fence would have saved Midnite was a supposition on your part.

I merely pointed out your misconception.

Sure you did …

And you tried to divert away from the primary conversation by adding:

Heartbroken Salt Lake City man berates cops after they shoot dog in back yard

Cops Show Up To Wrong House And Shoot Little Boy’s Dog

Both of which are off topic …

Stop lying….it’s getting old stuff.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   22:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Gatlin (#64)

That’s always an indication that he has given up trying to prove any point he though he may have had.

I've made my point - this cop (as well as most others who shoot family pets) are cowards.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   22:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Gatlin (#66)

Both of which are off topic …

Sod off tosser.

I responded to Tc's claim that Midnite would be alive if he had been fenced in.

History has proven that cops will kill family pets even when they are fenced in.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   22:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Deckard (#67)

I've made my point - this cop (as well as most others who shoot family pets) are cowards.

You have made no point….you have made a complete idiot of yourself.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   22:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Deckard (#68)

History has proven that cops will kill family pets even when they are fenced in.

That's another lie....history has not proven that.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   22:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Gatlin (#69)

You have made no point….

So sayeth LF's village idiot.

I made my point - you are just too much of a simpleton to understand it.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   22:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Gatlin (#70) (Edited)

History has proven that cops will kill family pets even when they are fenced in.

That's another lie....history has not proven that.

I gave four examples you reprehensible assclown.

One can only hope that if you have a dog, you suffer the same sad fate as this Veteran.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   22:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Deckard (#72)

ne can only hope that if you have a dog, you suffer the same sad fate as this Veteran.

That’s a very uncivil and inconsiderate wish to make on someone.

But since when have you ever been civil and considerate.

Your remark reflects poorly on your upbringing …

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   22:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Deckard (#73)

Here are a couple of your friendly family pets in action …

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   22:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Gatlin (#73)

That’s a very uncivil and inconsiderate wish to make on someone.

Not at all - It would be ironic if you suffered at the hands of the Amerikan police state, the one that you so slavishly worship.

Your remark reflects poorly on your upbringing …

Why don't you reflect on your own multitude of faults before presuming to lecture someone else?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   22:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Gatlin (#74) (Edited)

Here are a couple of your friendly family pets in action …

To quote Tc...Stop trying to change the subject. We are discussing this guy and his dog in Augusta KS. Not anyone else

The dogs in your videos have nothing to do with this story.

Oh, and while you're at it - sod off.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-19   22:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Gatlin, Tooconservative, Deckard (#59)

In the top pic the lower sliding glass window is raised about one foot.

In the bottom pic the lower sliding glass window is raised all the way up, and the screen is partially punched out with the retaining bead hanging.

The cop went in and beat the dog with a baton and kicked it repeatedly and then shot it, so the dog punched through the screen to escape, and expired on the porch.

Most of the blood is in the top right, so someone may have moved the body to get the door to open further.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2017-04-19   22:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: hondo68 (#77)

Egads, I have to take Tater off bozo to see what he posted.

I might have to sleep on that decision.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2017-04-19   22:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Deckard (#72)

" One can only hope that if you have a dog, you suffer the same sad fate as this Veteran. "

Deck, I would not wish that on the dog. He/she is suffering enough to live there. Wish it on him/her, not the dog.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2017-04-19   22:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Fred Mertz (#78)

Bullshit....you have had me off bozo for a couple of weeks now.

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   23:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: hondo68 (#77)

In the bottom pic the lower sliding glass window is raised all the way up, and the screen is partially punched out with the retaining bead hanging.

I noticed too. Not sure how many conclusions we can draw.

The cop went in and beat the dog with a baton and kicked it repeatedly and then shot it, so the dog punched through the screen to escape, and expired on the porch.

Yeah but there is no mention or pix of blood inside the house. So I don't think so.

I do have to give you points for imagination.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   23:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: TooConservative (#80)

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   23:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Tooconservative (#82)

kwch12 Video

I fail to understand Deckard, he is a complete idiot.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-19   23:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Gatlin (#83)

KWCH12: Alan tells me the previous incident with Midnite - the dog bit his teenage nephew at El Dorado lake last summer, and the teen had to get stitches but was okay.

Hmm...that doesn't sound like a trained service animal to me.

It seems that "Beware Of The Dog" sign on the front door was there for a reason: a known aggressive biting dog was on the premises.

I notice the police chief said they couldn't find a record of any state certification of the dog as a service animal. So it isn't clear if this was a lawful service animal or if he just had some training but didn't get certified (because he was too busy biting kids and cops to finish getting certified).

Apparently, Kansas has a law against claiming a dog is a service dog unless the dog is fully certified. The chief says they're investigating and hasn't ruled out filing charges on the service dog certification issue.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   23:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Gatlin (#82)

At the 04:00 minute mark, I liked the clock chiming: cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo...

Seemed a fitting background sound.

In the "interview", the guy sounds guilty. He didn't protect his dog and he didn't control his dog. I bet this dog has a lot more history than these articles are telling us.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-19   23:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Tooconservative (#82)

Some interesting comments made by Alan Fitzgerald on the video.

At 1:02 Alan stated this dog darted out the door [to chase a rabbit or cat]….so the dog had charged through the door before.

In a newspaper report [and I can’t find where again] a police officer said they had trouble there (at Alan’s residence) before (did no say with the dog). as best as I remember.

This is obviously confirmed [that the police had been to the Firzgerald residence before] because at 5:07 Alan Fitzgerald said: There was a private call coming through on his phone. I knew it as them because they always call that way. I repeat, Alan said: I knew it as them because they always call that way. I wonder if the police “always call that way” because of a problem with the dog, a problem with Alan’s PTSD, or another problem with Alan or someone else at the residence. So, this would indicate that Alan and the police were no strangers to each other….that is an apparent conclusion.

At 3:43 Alan said he heard banging on his door and then he heard shots. I did not pause between those two statements. So, there is no way of know the time line between the knock and the shots. The way Alan told the story makes me question the neighbor’s eyewitness statement that the police officer opened the door and went in.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   0:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Tooconservative (#85)

I bet this dog has a lot more history than these articles are telling us.

I just posted someting below to indicate that same thing.

Interesting....

It seems, by his own admission, he was no stranger to the police.

"I knew it was them, they always call that way."

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   0:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Gatlin (#87)

"I knew it was them, they always call that way."

Exactly. Notice the mention of the chief when he said they sent a cop with an animal control officer because in one (or more) previous calls to that address, a lone animal control officer wasn't enough.

Maybe the animal control officer in this dinky burg knew this dog and had good cause to be afraid of him.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   0:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Tooconservative (#84)

I notice the police chief said they couldn't find a record of any state certification of the dog as a service animal. So it isn't clear if this was a lawful service animal or if he just had some training but didn't get certified (because he was too busy biting kids and cops to finish getting certified).

I came to the conclusion some time ago, that people throw the term "service dog" around far too loosely.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   0:34:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Deckard (#83) (Edited)

This was a service dog - they are trained to be non-aggressive.

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression, and said he had Midnite for his PTSD.

Hey, Deckard, listen to the video in the link, you will hear …

KWCH12: Alan tells me the previous incident with Midnite - the dog bit his teenage nephew at El Dorado lake last summer, and the teen had to get stitches but was okay.

Well, Bubba….that DEBUNKS the Hell out of your “service dog trained to be non-aggressive bullshit….doesn’t it?

You are so pathetic….always defending a lost cause, only because you hate the police so much that you can never be objective about anything involving them.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   0:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Tooconservative (#88)

I think you are correct.

You also noticed that Alan said there was absolutely no problem with the neighbor lady and Midnite.

However, the Chief said they received a call about a German Sheppard running loose and Alan said 2 hours after he talked to the lady….the police was banging on his door.

Who else but the lady could have called? Maybe someone, but my guess would be that it was the lady and Alan was skipping some details about the incident of Midnight with her dog.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   0:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Gatlin (#91) (Edited)

Who else but the lady could have called?

In fairness, every neighborhood does have at least one Gladys Kravitz snooping around, calling the cops out on their neighbors. The little dog owner may not have done anything.

After all, we know this dog did love to chase cats around in the neighborhood, according to his owner's confession on YouBoob. Maybe one of the cat owners called the cops out.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   0:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Tooconservative (#92)

Yea ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   1:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Tooconservative (#92)

I don’t know what a Kansas ID Card is supposed to look like, but I do know this one doesn’t look official by any means …

I find numerous sources on the Web where you can self-register your dog as a “service dog” and they will send you an ID Card after receiving payment.

Service dog fraud on the rise

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   1:13:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Tooconservative (#94) (Edited)

I found this interesting….some classifications I was unaware of …

That’s Not a Service Dog, But It Is a Working Dog

According this information, he does NOT have a service dog.

He has an …

Emotional Support Animal (ESA) work with an individual who needs comfort. They require no specialized training, have no public access, and can be any species. The DOJ/HUD’s Fair Housing Act does protect an owner’s right to reside with their Emotional Support Animal in accommodations that don’t allow pets, and with proper documentation, a person can fly with their ESA.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   1:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Tooconservative (#84)

I notice the police chief said they couldn't find a record of any state certification of the dog as a service animal. So it isn't clear if this was a lawful service animal or if he just had some training but didn't get certified (because he was too busy biting kids and cops to finish getting certified).

Apparently, Kansas has a law against claiming a dog is a service dog unless the dog is fully certified. The chief says they're investigating and hasn't ruled out filing charges on the service dog certification issue.

I think the Chief is correct. PTSD only qualifies a person to use/have an Emotional Support Animal (ESA) to work with an individual who needs comfort….and not an assistance [service] dog. Under Kansas Law, the presence of a dog for comfort [PTSD] does not qualify the dog as an assistance [service] dog covered under the provisions of Kanas Service Dog Laws.

What he has is …

An Emotional Support Animal (ESA) works with an individual who needs comfort. They require no specialized training, have no public access, and can be any species. The DOJ/HUD’s Fair Housing Act does protect an owner’s right to reside with their Emotional Support Animal in accommodations that don’t allow pets, and with proper documentation, a person can fly with their ESA.
KANSAS SERVICE DOG LAWS

[….]

“Service dog” means a dog which has been specially selected, trained and tested to perform a variety of tasks for persons with disabilities. These tasks include, but are not limited to: Pulling wheelchairs, lending balance support, picking up dropped objects or providing assistance in, or to avoid, a medical crisis, or to otherwise mitigate the effects of a disability.

The presence of a dog for comfort, protection or personal defense does not qualify a dog as being trained to mitigate an individual’s disability and therefor does not qualify the dog as an assistance dog covered under the provisions of this act.

[….]

FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATION
It is a class A nonperson misdemeanor for any person to:
- represent that such person has the right to be accompanied by an assistance dog or that such person has a right to be accompanied by a professional therapy dog
- represent that such person has a disability for the purpose of acquiring an assistance dog unless such person has such disability.
[Assistance dog” means any guide dog, hearing assistance dog or service dog].

I think I read that he already received 2 citations….with Chief checking on his “service dog qualification” he may be receiving another.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   2:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: All (#0)

I guess after reading this story I wonder how this dog got certified to be a service dog when it seems to be so aggressive? Then I notice you just register a dog and it becomes registered as Service Dog. To me it sounds like a scam to me.

Kinda of a backdoor get to take my animal anywhere and you can not object! Landlord you can not say a damn thing but you still are liable for aggressive dogs actions!!!

Justified  posted on  2017-04-20   8:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Gatlin, Tooconservative (#97)

I was thinking that this story of a service dog being aggressive sounded funny to me. Looked it up and all you have to do from what I have seen is just fill out paperwork and you can get any animal certified. I thought to get certified as a "service dog" you had to have real training but I guess not. This is a landlord, business owner and insurance nightmare.

Justified  posted on  2017-04-20   8:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Justified (#98)

I thought to get certified as a "service dog" you had to have real training but I guess not.

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression...

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-20   8:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Deckard (#99)

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression, and said he had Midnite for his PTSD.

Someone is lying. I know you think so but people do not go around shooting nice dogs just because they feel like it.

Justified  posted on  2017-04-20   8:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Justified, Tooconservative (#98)

I was thinking that this story of a service dog being aggressive sounded funny to me. Looked it up and all you have to do from what I have seen is just fill out paperwork and you can get any animal certified. I thought to get certified as a "service dog" you had to have real training but I guess not. This is a landlord, business owner and insurance nightmare.

I too became intrigued while participating on this thread to learn about service dogs since I basically only knew there were such animals used for special purposes. I found the same as you did and also discovered a hundred or so places online where all you do is fill out a form and pay money to register a dog in 3 or 4 different “Assistant Dog” categories. Because of the ongoing discussion on this thread, I concentrated on Kansas for information and found sites with some good info….including one with the Kansas law.

What I found to be ironic is that you need no identification to show a dog is an assistance dog and legally no one can ask you for anything to show identification or certification. All you need do is say the magic words “this is a service dog” and all businesses must let you in with your dog. I also found out a business owner can kick your dog out only if it becomes unruly disruptive or if it is not house broken then pisses or shits in the business establishment.

I discovered something to be true that I have long suspected. While the original intended purpose of assistant dogs were necessary and noble, starting with the dogs who assist the blind, I find the concept has now been prostituted….as was the “handicap parking” procedure also prostituted. I feel sure you have seen as many situations as I have where assholes took dogs that one could see definitely did not qualify as assistant dogs into restaurants and food stores when they should not have….and spry young people placing a handicap placard on the mirror of their vehicle, only the then jump out and run into a store.

Yes, it is definitely as you say: “This is a landlord, business owner and insurance nightmare.”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   9:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Gatlin (#101)

Yes, it is definitely as you say: “This is a landlord, business owner and insurance nightmare.”

If I could show you want renters do nobody would ever say a thing about slum lords. Then you add in the mix of animals and you can double the trouble. Here in Texas it takes a court order to get people out of the house and the renter can tear the house to pieces before they leave and you can only take a deadbeat to court to get your money back. But since they are deadbeats you lose the damage, court fee's and lawyer fee's. Couple of bad renters back to back and you can lose it all.

Don't even get me to talk about Handicap parking which is no more than quick in and out for people of certain groups who steal parking permits so they do not have to park a mile away from the store like the rest of honest hard working Americans!

Justified  posted on  2017-04-20   9:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Deckard, Justified, Tooconservative (#99)

I thought to get certified as a "service dog" you had to have real training but I guess not.

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression...

What you have posted in bold print and underlined is simply not true. It is only something that Ben Keller wrote in the article. Asshole, you need to “fact check” these things before you do a Don Quixote for someone’s agenda cause.

You can do your fact checking in the U.S. Department of Justice - Civil Rights Division - Disability Rights Section – ADA Requirements Service Animals. These requirements, or rules, clarify and refine issues that have arisen over the past 20 years and contain new, and updated, requirements, including the 2010 Standards for Accessible Design (2010 Standards).

You will find in that link, their bold print on how a “Service Animal” is defined, it reads: ”Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities.”

You will find nowhere, nowhere, in the U.S. Department of Justice - Civil Rights Division - Disability Rights Section – ADA Requirements Service Animals has it required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression... as Ben Keller proclaimed and you so boldy repeated with bold print and underline.

In fact, if you check [and I will not take time right now to look it up for you]….you will find that an ADA service dog can be trained as an attack dog….I kid you not.

You need to stop believing everything someone posts on the Internet and parroting what they say….again, you need to start fact checking.

So, asshole, you lose again….you have been debunked royally by a “Gold Member” of the famous “Canary Clan.”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   9:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Gatlin (#94)

I find numerous sources on the Web where you can self-register your dog as a “service dog” and they will send you an ID Card after receiving payment.

Service dog fraud on the rise

That article surprises me. I knew there was some fraud, as there is with handicapped parking tags, but not on such a scale.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   9:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#96)

FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATION It is a class A nonperson misdemeanor for any person to: - represent that such person has the right to be accompanied by an assistance dog or that such person has a right to be accompanied by a professional therapy dog

Nice sleuthing through the statutes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   9:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Justified (#98)

I thought to get certified as a "service dog" you had to have real training but I guess not. This is a landlord, business owner and insurance nightmare.

That was what service dogs were supposed to be. But they rapidly expanded it so people can have service parrots, service ferrets, service iguanas, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   9:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Deckard, Justified (#99)

Fitzgerald rescued Midnight in 2015 and obtained an ADA service dog certificate, which required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression...

Apparently, he didn't pass the no-biting-teenage-nephews-at-the-lake test.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   9:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Gatlin (#103)

you will find that an ADA service dog can be trained as an attack dog…

WTF?

Now you are claiming that the dog was agressive simply because SOME service dogs MAY be trained to attack?

Man - you've lost what's left of your senile mind.

So, asshole...

Hey - go fuck yourself.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-20   9:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Tooconservative (#106)

. But they rapidly expanded it so people can have service parrots, service ferrets, service iguanas, etc.

OMG this reminds me I went to the store to get jack for my Trailer. There was this guy that looked like Charles Manson with a parrot. This guy was freaky to the say the least and I think he was just walking around testing to see if he would get thrown out or something.

This guy looked like a if you mated Jack Sparrow and Charles Manson together and popped out a kid!!! LOL

Justified  posted on  2017-04-20   10:04:48 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Gatlin (#96)

I think I read that he already received 2 citations….with Chief checking on his “service dog qualification” he may be receiving another.

I kinda think maybe the chief is waving that around due to legal threats by the dog owner, to cool his jets.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   10:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Justified (#109)

OMG this reminds me I went to the store to get jack for my Trailer. There was this guy that looked like Charles Manson with a parrot.

It's somewhat annoying to many people to have to put up with pets in public spaces and such. But to people who have severe allergies to dogs or cats or other critters, they can get sick for days from having to be around these animals or just in a business where someone brought such an animal that left its dander behind.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   10:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Deckard (#108)

you will find that an ADA service dog can be trained as an attack dog…

WTF?

Now you are claiming that the dog was agressive simply because SOME service dogs MAY be trained to attack?

Deckard, you need to calm yourself down and read carefully what I posted….stop with your preverbal spin shit.

I specifically said that an: “ADA service dog can be trained as an attack dog.” That is a true fact!

Nowhere, nowhere, did I claim that “the dog [Midnite] was aggressive simply because SOME service dogs MAY be trained to attack.” Now….did I? Answer the question honestly and say: “No, Sir….you did not.”

Man - you've lost what's left of your senile mind.

Hey - go fuck yourself.

Now you have become embarrassed because you once again were proven wrong and try to cover it by emitting nasty remarks.

Well, if that makes you feel better after having made a complete fool of yourself and had your ass kicked….then go ahead and release your frustration. I am a “kind hearted man filled with empathy” so I can take it.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   10:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Justified (#109)

But they rapidly expanded it so people can have service parrots, service ferrets, service iguanas, etc.

OMG this reminds me I went to the store to get jack for my Trailer. There was this guy that looked like Charles Manson with a parrot. This guy was freaky to the say the least and I think he was just walking around testing to see if he would get thrown out or something.

I am dead serious, I kid you not….I saw that exact same thing a few months ago in Costco. The fellow was doing everything possible to get attention. This must be a new fad going around. Next, they will bring in a Boa Constrictor wrapped around their shoulders. I guarantee you to expect that …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   10:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Tooconservative (#108)

So, asshole...

Hey - go fuck yourself

LOL ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   10:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Gatlin (#114) (Edited)

LOL ...

I'd say this thread is quite a success by any measure. 115 posts and counting.

I'm not sure Deckard appreciates our efforts though. It is a little disappointing after all the work we put into it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   10:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Gatlin (#113)

Next, they will bring in a Boa Constrictor wrapped around their shoulders.

The snake would be a lot cleaner than furry animals like dogs, cats, monkeys, etc.

So the allergy sufferers would probably find a boa less unpleasant. Unless it ate one of their kids.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   10:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Tooconservative (#115) (Edited)

True ...

Deckard is like the old American Express commercial paraphrased …

“Deckard, we can never click on LF without him.”

A marvelous entertainment center….he is.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   10:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Tooconservative (#116)

The snake would be a lot cleaner ...

True.

But some, to many, folks have Ophidiophobia….an d they could cause panic in a commercial establishment.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   11:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Deckard (#103)

Hey, Deckard …

Tell us again that the “ADA required the dog to pass behavioral tests without showing signs of aggression... .

I need another good laugh …

BTW, not only can ADA service dogs be trained as “attack dogs”….they can also be trained as “guard dogs.”

Say, maybe Midnite [may he rest in peace] was trained as a “guard dog” and that is why he lunged through the door to get after the officers…he was just doing his “guard dog” duty.

Ya think …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   11:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Gatlin (#119)

Say, maybe Midnite [may he rest in peace] was trained as a “guard dog”

Real guard dogs are trained to never leave their fenced area. And they are often taught never to bark at all or to eat anything that isn't in their food dish.

But those are actual trained and certified dogs, most often raised to do their job from the time they were puppies.

So riffraff shelter dogs would not be comparable.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   12:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Tooconservative (#120)

I notice that Deckard is conspicuously avoiding this thread today.

Poor baby …

Having objective facts presented from both sides of a situation can truly be a bitch to people like him.

I just loved it when he kept quoting from Benn Keller as a verifiable factual authority source.

And he never gave up, he just faded away. Like Douglas did …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   12:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Gatlin (#121)

I notice that Deckard is conspicuously avoiding this thread today.

It seems kinda ungrateful after all we and others did to contribute to this thread.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   13:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Tooconservative (#122)

I notice that Deckard is conspicuously avoiding this thread today.

It seems kinda ungrateful after all we and others did to contribute to this thread.

Now, that WAS funny ...

And he didn’t leave us anything much to work with….that piddle ass thread about an autistic kid.

You would think he could have done better …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   13:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Gatlin (#121)

I notice that Deckard is conspicuously avoiding this thread today.

I've seen enough to know who are the jackboot-lickers at LF are.

As if there was ever any doubt.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-04-20   13:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Gatlin (#123)

You would think he could have done better …

OTOH, despite his ingratitude, 125 posts on a minor local story from Dinkyburg, Kansas that doesn't amount to anything is pretty good for LF. I can't recall the last time any hard news thread got so much response.

We pitched in and made this thread a real success, despite his lack of help.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   13:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Tooconservative (#125)

Great Jopb ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   13:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Gatlin (#126)

I really think you deserve more credit than I.

It's hard to maintain high standards and keep on top of that pedestal reserved for Literary Heroes. But I try.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-20   13:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Tooconservative (#127)

Funny, again ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-20   13:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#0)

I somehow forgot to mention it before but this apparently was a Confederate dog. I was thinking that someone else would point it out.

That's no U.S. flag bandana. That's a Confederate battle standard bandana.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   9:54:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Tooconservative (#129)

That's no U.S. flag bandana. That's a Confederate battle standard bandana.

Hmmm …

An astute observation….I missed that.

That should definitely be a consideration when evaluating all aspects this incident….while remaining objective, of course.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-04-21   10:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#130)

Well, Confederate tendencies may tie in with the suspect's refusal to lay down when ordered. He instead went back inside and slammed the door.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-04-21   10:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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