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Title: The Spooks And The Hacks: Why Do They Hate Russia?
Source: VDare
URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-s ... -hacks-why-do-they-hate-russia
Published: Feb 20, 2017
Author: John Derbyshire
Post Date: 2017-02-20 14:11:16 by nativist nationalist
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Views: 1774
Comments: 7

Well, if you were wondering who really runs things in Washington, D.C.—where the real power lies—now you know: it’s with the intelligence agencies, with a little help from the Main Stream Media. Next question: why do they hate Russia so much?

December 29th, the day still-President Barack Obama expelled a raft of Russian diplomats on suspicion of having influenced our election, General Michael Flynn—at that point merely a private citizen but about to become President Trump’s national-security advisor —had a phone conversation with the Russian ambassador.

Nothing wrong with that. Or perhaps not quite nothing. There is a federal law called the Logan Act that prohibits private citizens from talking to foreign governments.[18 U.S. Code § 953 ] The Act was passed in 1799 when one George Logan, a Pennsylvania state legislator, had talks with the government of France, ticking off the John Adams administration, which had majorities in Congress. In the subsequent 218 years, there has been just one indictment under the Logan act, and zero actual prosecutions. The Act is regarded as a bit of a joke, and the jurisprudential consensus seems to be that it is in fact unconstitutional, although with zero prosecutions in 200- plus years, nobody thinks it’s worth the trouble to test the matter.

Well, our spooks listened in to that December 29th episode of personal diplomacy. Then they passed on what they’d heard to the FBI. Then someone— either a spook or a G-man—leaked to the press.

“According to a senior U.S. government official, Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking. “[Why did Obama dawdle on Russia’s hacking?, By David Ignatius, January 12. 2017]

That is seriously illegal. It’s also highly irresponsible, as it gives the other party meta-intelligence—that’s intelligence about intelligence. Without knowing what we’re doing or how we’re doing it, the Russians now know a thing we can do: listen to their ambassador’s phone conversations in defiance of whatever kind of subterfuge or encryption he’s using.

But if there’s been a Main Stream Media hue and cry over that illegality and that irresponsibility on the part of our intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, I missed it. All the fuss has been about what Flynn told or did not tell Vice President Pence, and how the President was then briefed.

It’s penny-ante stuff; so much so you have to wonder—as some commentators have wondered—whether Trump used the whole nothingburger as an excuse to dump Flynn this week because he was dissatisfied with him.

It got blown up into a major story because of synergy between the intelligence people and the MSM, the spooks and the hacks. Dwight Eisenhower famously warned us about the military-industrial complex. What we’ve seen this week is the intelligence-media complex showing its strength.

The spooks can of course do major damage on their own. In alliance with the MSM, though, they are lethal. A leak is just a leak; the MSM decides what to make into a major story and what to leave as a filler item on page 23. And, working as they do in a pillar of the CultMarx establishment, the media hacks are happy to take what scraps and fragments the vengeful spooks pass on to them and work them into bricks to throw through Trump’s windows.

So again I ask: Whence all this hostility to Russia?

I am honestly baffled by it. In what way is Russia a threat to U.S. interests? They have no claims on our territory. They’re not a commercial rival. They’re not flooding us with cheap workers to depress our own people’s wages and burden our welfare services. They haven’t sent any terrorists to fly planes into our skyscrapers. Why are we even supposed to be bothered by their espionage activities?

It’s true that the present Russian government is unlovely. It’s true they might do mean things, like invading Estonia. That would be deplorable, but no sane person really thinks the U.S.A. would go to war over it, as the NATO charter technically requires.

Indeed, the temptation to show up NATO for the hollow sham it is, is the only reason I can think of for why Russia would invade Estonia.

The Estonians should make what arrangements for mutual defense they can with neighboring countries, and avoid provoking the bear. They face nothing worse than small countries with big neighbors have faced since the beginning of time.

Russia’s just another country, like Brazil or Indonesia. I can’t see any reason we shouldn’t get along with them on the same terms as with those countries. The Cold War’s been over for a quarter of a century, for Heaven’s sake.

I can’t even figure out a conspiracy theory about our Establishment’s hostility to Russia. Has the Homintern been at work, stirring up anti- Russian feeling because they won’t legalize same-sex marriage? Does someone think they want to dominate the Middle East so they can control the Arabs’ oil? Do influential American Jews still nurse resentment for the Kishinev Pogrom? None of that strikes me as even remotely plausible.

Is it just inertia? The Cold War created huge, entrenched sub-establishments within the federal government—lots of iron rice bowls. These sub- establishments don’t want their rice bowls broken. They don’t want their corner of the swamp to be drained. Swamp-draining-wise, they are massively conservative, in the style of the Third Duke of Norfolk: “I would all things were as hath been in times past.”

That’s not much more plausible than the conspiracy stuff, though. After twenty-six years, years that saw the War on Terror and the rise of China, are significant power centers in the U.S. government really still obsessing about Kremlin plots and tank divisions rolling through the Fulda Gap?

Hard to believe.

Is it just the perception that Vladimir Putin is a nationalist—a nationalist that will help other nationalists any way he can, funding Ms. Le Pen’s political campaigns [ Marine Le Pen’s links to Russia under US scrutiny,Telegraph, UK, December 21, 2016] and hacking the emails of Donald Trump’s opponents?

Possibly, and I can see that would rile up the CultMarx globalists. But why are the rest of us supposed to care?

It’s a mystery to me. I throw it open to the listenership. Why am I supposed to believe that Russia is our enemy? Why am I supposed to care about their hacking, so long as they don’t hack into my bank account?

Winston Churchill, following the Hitler-Stalin deal of 1939, said that Russian policy was “A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.”

I’m feeling the same way about our own current Russia policy.

Can anyone enlighten me?

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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

The Spooks And The Hacks: Why Do They Hate Russia?

I don't think any of them actually hate Russia or Russians. I think they hate the idea of the Soviet Union no longer existing,and they are worried about losing their jobs. Granted,the SOVIETS were easy to hate because they were the corrupt leadership of a nation they had turned into a prison. "Soviets" was a form of government bureaucracy,not a nation or a people.

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sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-20   19:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

I think they hate the idea of the Soviet Union no longer existing,and they are worried about losing their jobs.

Too many people in government are dependent upon prolonging the past for job security and positions of importance.

rlk  posted on  2017-02-20   19:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: rlk (#2)

That was a GREAT POST, just above.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-02-20   19:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: rlk (#2)

Too many people in government are dependent upon prolonging the past for job security and positions of importance.

Somehow it seems "country" gets lost and "self" becomes their prime motivator.

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sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-20   21:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

Somehow it seems "country" gets lost and "self" becomes their prime motivator.

You noticed that? Congratulations!

rlk  posted on  2017-02-21   0:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

They're the only other country that can nuke us into complete oblivion, and have been able to do it for a long time.

As such, they are the only REAL check on American power. If there were no Russians, no Soviets, then there would have never been any American restraint in dealing with China, or Korea, or Vietnam, or Cuba, or anything else that has ever pissed us off or gotten in our way.

We can probably shoot down everybody else's handful of missiles, or sink their subs before they can launch them (France, Britain), or pre-emptively take them out (China, India, Pakistan). But Russia is invincible to us, just as we are to them. They have too many weapons in too many places.

We would take damage in a war with China, but prevail. We would be exterminated in a full on war with Russia. Wiped from the face of the earth. There is no winning a nuclear war with Russia, and there hasn't been since the 1970s. That's why we lost Vietnam and why we have never been able to throw ourselves into a full-on assault anywhere. It's why a Castro is still in power in Cuba.

Other places have had the ability to make things expensive or uncomfortable for us. The Israelis have, through the Jewish lobby, the power to make things really politically difficult for us. But Russia is the only country on earth that has the power to point weapons at us and say: you will stop here or we will annhilate you - and actually have the power to do it.

Imagine a city. Imagine that there is the police force, that thinks of themselves as the good guys - the Blue Gang. But imagine that there is a criminal gang that is just as well armed, just as deeply entrenched, with the same weapons and the same numbers. The police do not have the power to take down the gang, and the gang does not have the power to take out the police. They have the capacity to essentially wipe each other out.

They have to co-exist, and that fact - the fact that though the cops feel they are morally superior, they actually have to back down in the face of direct gun pointing by the rival gang, because the cops are not strong enough to actually win - THAT is the situation with Russia.

Throughout the Soviet era they were evil, and we knew that. They were evil, but they were equally powerful, and they had a veto on us, preventing us from being the world hegemon. Wherever we were, they were, wherever we could go, they could go. And while we could fight over outposts, we lacked the power to stop them. We had to accept them as a balk and check on us, a veto that we could neither buy off nor overpower - a peer in power with the power to stop us, even though they were evil.

Just the fact of their power to destroy us and, therefore, their ultimate veto over anything we might want to do in the world, is sufficient for many of us to consider them evil. How DARE they have the power to annhilate us, to tell us "No". We're the good guys (in our opinion)! We have the money, the power, the winning culture. WE stand astride the world like a colossus! But the Russians have a veto. They put an enemy to taunt us right off of Florida - and Cuba DID taunt us - and we were powerless to do anything about it if we didn't want to die. We were forced to confront the limits of our power, and these were neither self imposed limits nor natural limits: they were another country, another culture, able to point a gun in the face of the government of the United States and command us to halt or die - and actually having the power to kill us and probably the will to do so.

Vice versa, of course, but we don't hate people that WE can destroy, we look down on them.

We WANT to look down on the world, but with Russia, and only Russia of all of the nations in history, we faced an enemy, and face and adversary, so strong they can give us commands by force - like a cop - and compel us by fear NOT to disobey them.

That it's vice-versa is no comfort. The cops do not like to have to back off of the criminals. We do not like being vetoed, and being forced to back down by superior military threat.

It angers us that we are not supreme. We are co-equal, but not more. We can't get around their power, and we can't remove it, and we have to respect it. That limits us. The USSR is gone, but Russia is still the ultimate - and really the only - check on America. China can make us calculate, but they cannot exterminate us. So we treat them one way.

But Russia, for all of their weakness, they can wipe every one of out for good, and we know it. So we resent them as a sort of implacable evil, the Devil, if you will. We're Churchill, in our eyes, and they're Hitler, because of their various evils.

Except that they're NOT Hitler. Hitler lost. They're Stalin. Stalin won. And we could never have beaten Stalin in the field. We needed nukes. But by 1949 he had nukes. And so we were limited, and still are, by another power that can veto us by threat, and can eliminate us by military force if we don't listen.

And we hate that in the depths of our bones.

That's why Russia is different.

For my part, I'm over that. Mutual Assured Destruction is real, and it has been real my whole life. So what? We don't want to die, neither do they, and there's no reason for us to allow atavistic Americans in intelligence agencies to continue to fight for a supreme dominance we can never have.

We are, in effect, learning the same lesson that the British and the French learned from each over over the course of 1000 years. Neither is strong enough to take out the other. We HAVE TO live side by side, forever. Neither can EVER win any lasting victory.

Many people, including Trump and me, have come to the point that Britain and France did around 1900 - realizing that since fighting the other was just and endlessly hopeless, expensive exercise, both would profit better through cooperation and then alliance.

The English and French were, and still are, both MUCH better off since they stopped trying to conquer each other. It was impossible, neither was Cain nor Able. They were, rather, Jacob and Esau, and those two eventually reconciled and lived together in peace for the remainder of their days.

Smart Americans like Trump and me realize that Russia and America are the same thing. And we realize that the quicker we make an Entente Cordiale, like England and France did, the quicker we're both richer and safer and the brighter the future for all of our children.

But our intelligence agencies and military command structure and diplomatic corps are still filled with stubborn little boys who want to play Risk and win, and they're not giving up easily. There are STILL Englishmen who hate the French, and STILL Frenchmen who detest the English, but they are not allowed in positions of power. In America, we're only just starting to turn the corner.

The President runs foreign policy. He wants peace with Russia, and he's right. To the Risk boys, this is surrender and capitulation. But it isn't. France and Britain neither surrendered nor capitulated to each other. They recognized each others' interests, gave each other a wide berth. Negotiated divvying up the world. And combined their military forces to defeat all comers (Germany, the Ottomans, etc.)

That's the model, and that's where Trump is going to take us.

And unlike England and France, we don't have 1000 years of bloody warfare to get over with Russia. We've never made war on each other. We've been allies in our own Civil War (it was Russian pressure that kept the British out), and in World War II, and we're natural allies now in the War on Terror.

The Risk boys need to be retired, and we need to get our democracy back through an Entente Cordiale with Russia.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-02-21   14:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

The Risk boys need to be retired, and we need to get our democracy back through an Entente Cordiale with Russia.

John McCain's fantasy of being Winston Churchill in WW2 needs to go into the ashcan along with his dreams of being president. America need not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy, the monsters that pose an existential threat to the historic American nation are over here. Soros and his ilk our the threat, not Putin, Putin is a nationalist, which is anathema to the Davos crowd of social parasites.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2017-02-21   15:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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