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Title: The Libertarian Party Believes Ron Paul Is Not A Libertarian
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libertarianconsrvative.com
URL Source: http://www.thelibertyconservative.c ... eves-ron-paul-not-libertarian/
Published: Jan 7, 2017
Author: Chris Dixon
Post Date: 2017-01-08 23:04:16 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 4251
Comments: 60
t is often said that political parties are ruining the dignity of American discourse. Instead of discussing policy points, many identify with one of two partisan identities and allow their loyalties to fall in line. Here, policy support shapes around their team and they turn against whatever the other side opposes. It’s shallow. And it is growing worse. The problem with the political arena is that as the investment grows more significantly, so does the need for self-preservation. Political careers mean that principles can take a backseat to the race discussion because nobody is going to make either a name for himself or money by losing with dignity. This is a phenomenon also not restricted to the Democrats and Republicans. The Libertarian party has the same problem. The Libertarian Party has developed a tendency to attack non-enrolled libertarians, including prominent figures like Senator Rand Paul and his father, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul. Two-time Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson has attacked Senator Paul in the past as not being libertarian. While there is a legitimate debate whether Senator Paul is more conservative than libertarian, the former New Mexico Governor is hardly in a position to talk. Now it’s Libertarian Party chairman Nicholas Sarwark who is stepping up criticism of Paul, echoing a common claim of party members. Ron Paul, according to Chairman Sarwark, is not a libertarian. He claims that the liberty leader has often been wrong and even anti-libertarian, then pointing to his support of states’ rights. To libertarians, the states’ rights debate is more like a game of semantics. Technically, a state does not have rights — only individuals do. The state is still government and thus, the power for its existence is derived from the people themselves. Given this, only the people themselves have rights. This is a position that Paul supports. In 2002, he wrote that “states’ rights simply means the individual states should retain authority over all matters not expressly delegated to the federal government in Article I of the Constitution.” Essentially, the term “states’ rights” simply alludes to the Tenth Amendment, which itself states that the people retain all power not specifically delegated to the federal government or prohibited to the states. In his book “Liberty Defined,” Paul states: “Technically, states don’t have ‘rights’ — only individuals do. But states are legal entities that are very important in the governmental structure of the United States, of course. They serve as a kind of bulwark against an overweening federal government. The Constitution was written with an intent to protect the independence of each state by establishing for the states a very limited relationship to the federal government.” Paul clearly states that states don’t have rights and again notes the term itself alludes to the Tenth Amendment. Under our system of government, the state is supposed to retain its independence from federal overreach while still acting on behalf of the people. If this is not libertarian, what is? The Libertarian Party has a confused history on what libertarianism is. They have previously had individuals run for president like Bob Barr, a former Congressman who voted for the USA PATRIOT Act and the invasion of Iraq. Given this fact, it’s not entirely surprising that the party had a Hillary Clinton apologist run for vice president, described as “the original libertarian.” Ron Paul may not be perfect, but he did not support the USA PATRIOT Act. The Libertarian party has supported people who did, including their latest vice presidential candidate. Paul did not support the Iraq invasion, while the Libertarian party has advocated for people who did. Former governor Bill Weld himself has supported affirmative action and stronger environmental regulations at the federal level. Before criticizing others for not being libertarian, the Libertarian Party should probably learn what it means to be a libertarian first.
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#15. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, hondo68 (#4)
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I always laugh at the statists here who believe that the accomplishment of a politician is measured by the number of laws he sponsors and gets passed. Oh, and RP didn't take his lifetime guaranteed pension, nor did he go to work as a lobbyist like so many retired congresscritters do. hondo is correct - the Libertarian party is NOT libertarian. Ron Paul’s legacy should not be measured by the number of his bills passed by Congress. His main objective was never to get his bills signed into law. There are no federal buildings or highways named after Ron Paul. “Thank goodness,” he says; he never wanted that. Ron Paul’s accomplishments should instead be measured by the number of hearts and minds that he has changed. Throughout Ron Paul’s entire congressional career, spreading the message of liberty has always been his first and foremost priority. He ran for president three times to bring more attention to our continual loss of liberty in this country. And for that message, we all owe him a great debt of thanks. Dr. Paul said in his farewell address that, “political action, to be truly beneficial, must be directed toward changing the hearts and minds of the people.” Unlike many politicians, Ron Paul didn’t seek political office for personal gain, power, or money. He entered politics to raise awareness to the serious problems that this country faced right after Nixon took us off the quasi-gold standard. Ron Paul’s legacy will live on in the minds of millions of people across the world that are motivated by his message. A popular grassroots sign at Ron Paul rallies reads: “Dr. Paul Cured My Apathy.” There are countless numbers of once politically apathetic young people, like me, that literally had their lives changed because of Ron Paul’s message. Once we heard Ron Paul speak about the dire state of our nation, we felt obligated to educate ourselves, get politically involved, and spread the message of liberty and peace. Many of us admire Ron Paul because of his principled stance on the issues. Unlike most politicians, he does not flip flop based on political whims. That’s a true rarity in Washington. He stays true to what he believes in, no matter what. The statists here hate any politician who has principles and sticks to them. You fools think that "passing new laws" is a sign of accomplishment. Which is why you are laughingly derided as statists. Great list - thanks for posting it.
Cue to insert here: Deckard’s boring Libertarian Derangement Syndrome copy and paste meme/article. Webmaster – Please reserve space.
I agree with most but not all.
With all due respect sir your answer is quite lame. You are afraid to admit you agree with most of his positions. That is my opinion. Because his bills didn't pass doesn't mean anything is wrong with his positins. It just means that most of the others didn't agree. Now we all know the country has been gong in the wrong direction. If you agree with that then you can't blame Ron Paul for the condition of the country. He tried but he was outnumbered. If his bills would have passed would it have made the country a better place. For the most part for sure. Later when I have more time I will post a bunch of his positions that I disagree with. Ron Paul is an honorable man.
Ij ust chose some from the list. Picked some from each category. I put some in i agree with and some I don't. I left some out I didn't agree with.
Other than collect a salary, what is it that you think lawamakers should do? I suppose you could include repealing laws, but he failed at that too.
I'll read your long response later when I get home. Thanks taking the time to write a detailed response. That is one thing I like about you. You do go in detail about why you believe as you do. Have a good day.
I suppose you could include repealing laws, but he failed at that too. Because assholes like you outnumber him is the reason he didn't get as much accomplished as he did had we had more honorable people in congress. I doubt you can man up because you are so childish. But if you have it in you and you have the balls to answer (very doubtful because your friends will make fun of you) please tell us what you agree with or what you disagree with on my little list. Or don't if you are a pussy.
I don't like fags. But we should all be equal under the law. That doesn't mean fag pretend marriage. I don't think he is actually for them. He has a mixed record on the issue. I disagree with some of his votes that concerned homos. But I don't disagree with all of them. If we get to the root of WHY he voted the way he did we might understand why better and come to the conclusion that he isn't pro sodomite. Maybe not. I don't agree with some of his drug positions. But you are exaggerating with heroin vending machines. He has to many views that are different then Fondas. You have a good day too.
It would appear that you suffer greatly from this affliction. Maybe a better word to describe you would be "libertyphobe". Post the link or crawl back in your hole. We're not far apart. We should all be equal under the law. And that does not mean that gays can marry, because that is not marriage at all. I suppose where we would differ is that you don't like gays, while I am almost completely indifferent and generally find them pathetic, the sad and attainted dead-ends of their genetic lines. My view is that they should not be suppressed, or oppressed, just simply ignored. And pitied.
And thinking that is sign of accomplishment….is why you assholes are laughingly ridiculed as Paultards.
But, he is a most honorable man who has only talked, while he has accomplished nothing. Talking is okay, but I want a leader who is not only a TALKER….but also a DOER, who makes things happen. And that is why I wanted Donald Trump. Donald Trump is a leader who does not “walk softly and carries a big stick” like Teddy; a leader who does not “talk softly and does nothing” like Ron….but, Donald Trump is a leader who “talks loudly and carries a big iPhone or iPad” while he accomplishes something to back up everything he says. To paraphrase Brutus: I come to bury failures to accomplish….not to praise failures that did not accomplish. Do we want to live in a world of “if happenings” or live in a world of “reality with beneficial happenings?” Some people look to the past and only dream about “if” things had happened….while others wake up and look to the future to find someone to make things happen. We have now awakened and found Donald Trump….who will make things happen, happen for the best. Let us therefore move on, and be thankful for that …
That is one thing I like about you. You do go in detail about why you believe as you do. Have a good day. Thanks, you too. I call them as a see 'em. I'm not a politician, so I don't have a hidden agenda. "I am what I am" - Popeye
Of course. I have to YELLA some of my examples to EVEN the YELLA playing field your agenda posters paint your site. 95% of Ron Paul's positions, I agree with. That 95% outweigh the 5% I don't agree with. So based on his political platform, knowing I will NEVER find a political candidate that I 100% agree with, I would vote for RP before I'd vote for 99% of the Republican past candidates. With that said, I'll never vote for him unless HE'S VIABLE.... AND it's to keep a (D) out of office because of the vile assholes that tarnish his name. Decktard, being a shining example of one. Trust me when I say, Ron Paul's 6% popularity is a direct result of the TRASH (like Sucky Bucky, Hondope and Decktard) that's associated with his name. They just fail to get it... they FAIL to understand that it's because of the vile radical liberaltarian TRASH that Ron PAULTARD will DIE before he gets more than 3 laws passed or becomes POTUS I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
libertarianism one too but the not a the love ps I'll I pss even If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Just churches? Not Kmart? Craven bitch.
I agree …
The actions by these Paultard assholes has done more to turn me off Libertarianism than — well, than anything. My contacts with the libertarians on LP created a certain amount of contempt for their philosophies and that grew to be even greater contempt after they moved over to LF. They all rely on the asinine assumption that….if they will only string together enough of their vague and repulsive rhetoric, then all of human history and what all rational people on earth wants can be completely ignored. They live in their own misguided worlds …
You could NEVER be a libertarian; both of you thrive on government handouts.
Craven bitch. Churches. Why are you to cowardly to answer a simple straight forward question?
From your response I'm pretty sure that Gatlin and Grand Island agree with Ron Paul more that you do. I'm where you are for the most part. If I get time I'll come back and tell you where I disagree with you and why. One real quick would be gold for currency. The constitution does say that. Also in the Bible god says he likes true weights and measures. Paper money is manipulated money.
Why is that, dullard? Because your man-crush said so? No more Justices of the Peace? No more marriages by ship's captains? No more marriages by judges? No more marriages by court clerks? Who decides what a church is for purposes of conducting marriages? And why not Kmart? Stupid parrot.
Why are you to much of a pussy to answer the question? Hmm pussyboy?
I'm answering one of your moronic proposals. You're pissing yourself and running away from it.
You are now Yukons left nut. Because you are a pussy and to cowardly to answer the question.
It was Ron Pauls proposal not mine. I agree that churches should be able to issue marriage licenses without the governments permission.
So do I... and they shouldn't be forced to wed faggots in the name of treating people equal. We ain't all equal... we never were. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
print college take on the love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
My pension is derived by private mutual funds, not taxes. D-bag. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I'll go even further. If some homos want to go to the store and get some crayons and make their own license. I don't care. Just when the interfere in the public sphere and try to force acceptance of a perversion.
Expand please.
quack pilots soldiers sailors seers magicians anthropologists psychics crystal chicken tea throw make april 365 / love ps 3rd If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Could you expand on each of those points. I think i'm understanding.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#16. To: Gatlin, Roscoe, misterwhite, statists (#7)
...his approach to lawmaking is particularly suited to not getting things done.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#4)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#18. To: Webmaster (#16)
#19. To: buckeroo (#5)
Out of curiosity which to you support or disagree with? Support All and disagree with None.
#20. To: Deckard, Roscoe, misterwhite, Paultards (#16)
You fools think that "passing new laws" is a sign of accomplishment.
I may accept that premise after you list as a true sign….all of Ron Paul’s actual accomplishments from that list.
#21. To: Gatlin (#7)
#22. To: Deckard (#17)
Great list - thanks for posting it.
#23. To: Deckard (#16)
You fools think that "passing new laws" is a sign of accomplishment.
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
#25. To: Roscoe (#23)
Other than collect a salary, what is it that you think lawamakers should do?
#26. To: GrandIsland (#9)
He supports faggots... and like most libtards, feels it's Whitey's fault that 25% of our populace (blacks) make up 70% of our prison populace.... couple that with his heroin vending machines at school lunch rooms and he's a big fat Jane Fonda in a creepy old man skin suit.
#27. To: Gatlin (#18)
Libertarian Derangement Syndrome
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#28. To: GrandIsland (#9)
his (Ron Paul) heroin vending machines at school lunch rooms
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#29. To: A K A Stone (#26)
(Edited)
I don't like fags. But we should all be equal under the law. That doesn't mean fag pretend marriage.
#30. To: Deckard (#16)
You fools think that "passing new laws" is a sign of accomplishment.
I definitely know, not think, that sponsoring 620 bills and getting only one passed into law is no sign of accomplishment.
Which is why you are laughingly derided as statists.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#21)
Ron Paul is an honorable man.
I never said that Ron Paul wasn’t an honorable man….I truly believe that he is a most honorable man. Now we all know the country has been gong in the wrong direction. If you agree with that then you can't blame Ron Paul for the condition of the country. He tried but he was outnumbered.
This country has definitely gone in the wrong direction and I never blamed, or tried to blame, Ron Paul for that in any way. Sure he has tired and he failed….as have many others also tried and failed. If his bills would have passed would it have made the country a better place.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#24)
I'll read your long response later when I get home. Thanks taking the time to write a detailed response.
#33. To: A K A Stone (#26)
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But you are exaggerating with heroin vending machines.
#34. To: Deckard (#27)
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#35. To: A K A Stone (#25)
Let churches marry couples, without government document. (Jun 2011)
#36. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#33)
95% of Ron Paul's positions, I agree with. That 95% outweigh the 5% I don't agree with. So based on his political platform, knowing I will NEVER find a political candidate that I 100% agree with, I would vote for RP before I'd vote for 99% of the Republican past candidates. With that said, I'll never vote for him unless HE'S VIABLE.... AND it's to keep a (D) out of office because of the vile assholes that tarnish his name. Decktard, being a shining example of one.
#37. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#36)
Trust me when I say, Ron Paul's [LOW] 6% popularity is a direct result of the TRASH (like Sucky Bucky, Hondope and Decktard) that's associated with his name. They just fail to get it... they FAIL to understand that it's because of the vile radical liberaltarian TRASH that Ron PAULTARD will DIE before he gets more than 3 laws passed or becomes POTUS
Absolutely….well stated.
#38. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland (#37)
The actions by these Paultard assholes has done more to turn me off Libertarianism than — well, than anything.
#39. To: Roscoe (#35)
Just churches? Not Kmart?
#40. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Churches.
#42. To: Roscoe (#41)
#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)
#44. To: Yukons Left Nut (#41)
#45. To: A K A Stone (#42)
(Edited)
#46. To: A K A Stone (#44)
(Edited)
#47. To: A K A Stone (#44)
#48. To: Roscoe (#43)
I'm answering one of your moronic proposals. You're pissing yourself and running away from it.
#49. To: A K A Stone (#48)
I agree that churches should be able to issue marriage licenses without the governments permission.
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#51. To: buckeroo (#38)
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#52. To: GrandIsland, sneakypete (#49)
So do I... and they shouldn't be forced to wed faggots in the name of treating people equal. We ain't all equal... we never were.
#53. To: BorisY (#50)
college degrees
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