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Title: Too Many Laws Turn Innocents into Criminals
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URL Source: http://www.heritage.org/research/co ... -turn-innocents-into-criminals
Published: May 26, 2010
Author: Edwin Meese III
Post Date: 2016-10-15 12:03:04 by Deckard
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America is in the throes of “overcriminalization.” We are making and enforcing far too many criminal laws that create traps for the innocent but unwary, and threaten to turn otherwise respectable, law-abiding citizens into criminals. Consider a few examples from the new book “One Nation Under Arrest”: • A 12-year old girl arrested and handcuffed for eating one French fry on the Washington subway system. • A cancer-ridden grandmother arrested and criminally charged for refusing to trim her hedges the way officials in Palo Alto, Calif., were trying to force her to. • A former high-school science whiz kid sent to prison after initially being arrested by FBI agents clad in SWAT gear for failing to affix a federally mandated sticker to his otherwise legal UPS package. • A 67-year-old grandfather imprisoned because some of the paperwork for his home-based orchid business did not satisfy an international treaty. I could go on, but all these stories share one thing in common — they are about typical Americans. Most involve a man or woman who works hard and pays taxes, cares for family members and is a good neighbor. Perhaps above all, this person strives to stay on the right side of the law. This typical American holds deep, often intuitive beliefs in basic principles about American government, including a belief that, if you do what’s right, you have nothing to fear from your own government, and certainly not from the criminal-justice system. But the typical American’s deeply held beliefs about the freedoms he cherishes and the fundamental principles of his government are no longer as well founded as they once were. Today, he is far more vulnerable than ever before to being caught up in a criminal investigation and prosecution — and to actually being convicted and punished as a criminal — for having done something he did not even suspect was illegal. Criminal law has changed in the last 50 years. Once criminal law was about criminal acts that everyone knew were inherently unlawful (like murder, rape and robbery). Limiting criminal punishment to conduct that is inherently wrongful restricted governmental power in two important ways. First, and most important, it kept the range of governmental power small. Having few criminal laws and a short list of things not to be done limited the scope within which government can exercise its authority. Second, a limited criminal law served a teaching function. It reflected the beliefs and understandings common to the vast majority of our citizens — the very citizens who were subject to the criminal law. Today, the criminal law has grown as broad as the regulatory state in its sheer size and scope. In 1998, an American Bar Association task force estimated that there were more than 3,000 federal criminal offenses scattered throughout the 50 titles of the U.S. Code. Just six years later, a leading expert on overcriminalization, John S. Baker Jr., published a study estimating that the number exceeded 4,000. As the ABA task force reported, the body of federal criminal law is “so large . . . that there is no conveniently accessible, complete list of federal crimes.” If “ignorance of the law is no excuse,” then every American citizen — literally, every single one — is ignorant and in peril, for nobody can know all the laws that govern their behavior. A just criminal-justice system, in the best sense of the word “just,” has a twofold goal. One is to see that criminals are prosecuted, convicted and appropriately punished. The other is to ensure that those who are innocent are either not prosecuted in the first instance or, if mistakenly prosecuted, are not convicted. Today, our system fails the second of those goals. Much is at stake for our freedoms and the freedoms of future generations. The problem of overcriminalization merits extensive study and debate by legal experts and policymakers, as well as average Americans, whose fundamental liberty is most at stake. Many constructive changes could make our justice system fairer and more just, and improve its ability to deter wrongdoing and punish real criminals. Taking the steps necessary to ensure that American criminal law once again routinely exemplifies the right principles and purposes will require much work, but the alternative is to distort the American criminal justice system, and jeopardize the American people. Edwin Meese III was U.S. attorney general under President Reagan, and is chairman of the Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at the Heritage Foundation
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
That happened in 2000. 16 years ago. Do you also dig up dirt on Trump? Eating or drinking in the Metro system is illegal. What are you saying -- a 1 a 12 a 12-year-old is too young to understand such a simple policy? Or are you saying we should make an exception just for her?
You really haven't been paying attention - hundreds if not thousands of of other examples have occured since then. Eating or drinking in the Metro system is illegal. What are you saying -- a 1 a 12 a 12-year-old is too young to understand such a simple policy? Or are you saying we should make an exception just for her? Yeah - one frigging french fry - good grief! I suppose the author is just another leftard cop hater who is soft on crime. You never fail to amuse.
Yeah – good grief! Once again, you fail to tell the whole story and understand the situation. It was not just one girl and one french fry. There had been numerous complaints about people eating and drinking on the Metro by those who find having to watch, smell and hear other people eat intolerable. Consequently, the Metro Transit Police conducted a week-long crackdown on violators and she was arrested for eating the after-school snack and violating the Metro’s regulation. Over the years: "We've been doing our best to crack down on people who are consuming food and beverages in our stations because we get so many complaints about it," said Lisa Farbstein, a Metro spokeswoman." The 17-year old girl was a regular rider on the transit and she knew the rule….yet she chose to completely ignore the rule and therefore she faced the consequence. Sounds like one of your kind….eh, Deckard? Screw the rule, do whatever you want to.
Meese appears to believe that overcriminalization is a real problem. He must be a pot-smoking anarchist who wants to kill cops, right queerbait? Edwin Meese III was U.S. attorney general under President Reagan, and is chairman of the Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at the Heritage Foundation When three missing fish can land someone in jail on felony charges, reform is needed. "There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime,” retired Louisiana State University law professor John Baker told the Wall Street Journal in July 2011. “That is not an exaggeration.” In Ayn Rand’s magnum opus, Atlas Shrugged, Doctor Floyd Ferris, one of the book’s main antagonists, told Hank Reardon, a proud producer who had earned the ire of crony special interests and government officials, that “there’s no way to rule innocent men.” “The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them,” said Ferris. “One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Fiction has become reality. The United States now has some 300,000 federal regulations, and this long spool of burdensome and complex red tape grows every year. What’s more, there are about 4,500 federal criminal statutes on the books carrying fines or prison terms for offenders. There are so many regulations and criminal statutes on the books that a civil-liberties expert and lawyer, Harvey Silverglate, thinks that the average American commits three felonies a day, and they often are not even aware they are breaking the law. That is, not until a federal agency begins an investigation and they are indicted. ******** Oh, that last article is from National Review, of course to you they are spreading propaganda and engaging in "yellow journalism". Why? Because you don't like the message.
No, because the examples used were cherry to be “tear-jerkers” and did not completely detail the events surrounding the situations. They were only used to elicit sympathy for the author’s agenda. That, sport….is yellow journalism. Something I greatly detest.
You must be joking - the story is completely factual and you're whining (again) because you don't like what was said in the article or how it was written. The agenda of National Review as well as the other sources I use is called the Truth. For someone who prides himself on being a "truthseeker", you're really pretty much a ranting hypocrite. Your "yellow journalism" schtick is getting tiresome.
There's the problem in a nutshell - too many "the law is the law" tattle-tales and punitive populist Gestapo snitches like you have decided to call the cops on every petty little event, whether it be unlicensed lemonade stands, front-yard gardens or seeing a kid walking to school by himself. I'm sick and tired of you nanny-state pricks telling others how to run their own lives. Too many lawmakers, and too many voters (like you) subscribe to the adage, “There ought to be a law.” That which is good should be mandatory; that which is bad should be banned. But, as Ronald Reagan once said, “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” That’s worth keeping in mind the next time we think about granting the government more power to regulate our lives. And it is worth remembering the next time some politician promises that he will get some law passed because it is for our own good. Meanwhile, muggers and purse snatches remain loose in the Metro system because of this poor use of police resources.
There's the problem in a nutshell The reality is that no passenger should find it necessary to sit next to a person eating surströmming or any of the other most putrid smelling foods in the world.
I thought the 12 yr old girl was eating a french fry. ???? I have never heard of putrid smelling french fry's. ???
It has happened a number of times that a french fry smelled like “dung” and dung certainly is a putrid smell. While there is no doubt a number of things you have never heard of, you may also have never had the usage difference between ignorant and uninformed explained. There is a difference, I will explain it for you. In ordinary usage one is considered a put down and the other is considered a statement of fact. So, I ask: Are you simply ignorant or just uninformed when you have never heard of something that actually exists? A serious question here, how bad can a french fry ever smell? You might feel puzzled why I would say this out of no where. This is because this afternoon, I tasted the most horrible, corrigible, terrble tasting french fry! right in a famous fast food chain. It's first letter is 'M' but I can tell you it is NOT McDonald. I guess this is the worst food experience in my whole life. The french fry (*note: Only 1 french fry out the whole packet) looks normal, but one bite and it emits the smell of drainage water/ unprocessed pig innards... This is really not a joke. It smells so bad that my sister can also smell it a few cms away. I immediately spit it out and rinsed my mouth. I showed it to a staff and when she smelled it, she was shocked by the pungent smell and threw it right back on the tray! - making this the 2nd ridiculous experience. I mean, when a customer complain to you about yr product, you dont give give a heck care look and throw the product back to the customer! Terrible customer service. In the end, I informed another staff about it and she too agree that it smells bad. but again, no explanation, no recovery. They are really lucky that I wasnt any mystery diner, otherwise, I would FAIL them utterly. Zero! Let me know if you want to know which fast food, which outlet. I will definitely let you know. Meanwhile, I am going to boycott them for the time being, I still cant forget that taste/smell right now. Posted by Angeline British chips are US french fries, with that in mind: Posted by Geordie Jester There are other situations with stories of “putrid” smelling french fries and chips, but I feel I have educated you enough for this evening. If the word educate makes you think of a child, you're not far off. It comes from the Latin word educare meaning to "bring up, rear.”
You pompous arrogant prick - ignorant and uninformed are synonyms. Ignorant: lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated. "he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid" synonyms: uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed, unenlightened, benighted; Who the hell are you to lecture posters here and try to make yourself seem more important than you actually are? You're a legend in your own mind you self-aggrandizing bastard. Most of us here are sick of your condescending and "know it all" attitude. BTW, the correct comparison would have been "ignorant" and "stupid" You've once again shown that you are the latter of the two. Frigging fascist asshole - go report some kids in your neighborhood running a lemonade stand or something, effing Gestapo snitch.
It is you agenda driven drug addict lovers that feel you all are the most important, above all other constitutional rights. In your tiny liberal self important mind, nothing you do victimizes another.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19900414&id=eUoeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EHoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4675,4533445&hl=en agenda driven drug addict lovers What's your agenda, shooting heroin with Trump, and smoking doobies with Jeb!? Trump: "Marijuana really helps". Jeb! thinks so too! In 1990 Trump wanted to legalize ALL drugs, same as Ron Paul. Now he want's to legalize medical marijuana. You love the druggies!
Sarasota Herald-Tribune People section. No attribution.
Chicago Tribune - Knight-Ridder Newspapers articles.chicagotribune.c...czars-enforcement-efforts Trump was for legalizing heroin and ALL drugs, before he was against it! He was right, before he turned wrong. He's a flip-flopper like Kerry, and Mittens too. I wonder if The Donald became a libertarian during Ron Paul's '88 presidential run under the Libertarian Party banner? Looks like Trump may have been a Paultard as far back as then. Then he started dating Ruby Giuliani...
You go ahead and wonder. I don't give a fuck. There is a long history and thousands of emails documenting Hillary is corrupt.
Yes, the Chicago Tribune story about Trump wanting to legalize all drugs is true.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915 Wikileaks - Foreign Registered Agents - [Jennifer Palmieri] Take the money!! Re: Foreign registered agents From :jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com To: re47@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2015-04-17 01:38 Subject: Re: Foreign registered agents Take the money!! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Robby Mook wrote: Marc made a convincing case to me this am that these sorts of restrictions don't really get you anything...that Obama actually got judged MORE harshly as a result. He convinced me. So...in a complete U-turn, I'm ok just taking the money and dealing with any attacks. Are you guys ok with that? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi all – we really need to make a final decision on this. We’re getting to the point of no return… - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *From:* Marc Elias [mailto:melias@hillaryclinton.com] *Subject:* Re: Foreign registered agents If we do it case by case, then it will be subjective. We would look at who the donor is and what foreign entity they are registered for. In judging whether to take the money, we would consider the relationship between that country and the United States, its relationship to the State Department during Hillary's time as Secretary, and its relationship, if any, to the Foundation. In judging the individual, we would look at their history of support for political candidates generally and Hillary's past campaigns specifically. Put simply, we would use the same criteria we use for lobbyists, except with a somewhat more stringent screen. As a legal matter, I am not saying we have to do this - we can decide to simply ban foreign registrants entirely. I'm just offering this up as a middle ground. On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Robby Mook wrote: Where do we draw the line though? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Apr 15, 2015, at 11:22 PM, Marc Elias wrote: Responding to all on this. I was not on the call this morning, but I lean away from a bright line rule here. It seems odd to say that someone who represents Alberta, Canada can't give, but a lobbyist for Phillip Morris can. Just as we vet lobbyists case by case, I would do the same with FARA. While this may lead to a large number of FARA registrants being denied, it would not be a flat our ban. A total ban feels arbitrary and will engender the same eye-rolling and ill will that it did for Obama. On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Dennis Cheng wrote: Hi all – we do need to make a decision on this ASAP as our friends who happen to be registered with FARA are already donating and raising. I do want to push back a bit (it’s my job!): I feel like we are leaving a good amount of money on the table (both for primary and general, and then DNC and state parties)… and how do we explain to people that we’ll take money from a corporate lobbyist but not them; that the Foundation takes $ from foreign govts but we now won’t. Either way, we need to make a decision soon. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *From:* Karuna Seshasai [mailto:kseshasai@hillaryclinton.com] Following up on the call from 9:30. The policy would be to not allow any currently registered foreign agents (those who register with FARA) to contribute or raise for the campaign. If someone terminates their registration, they would be allowed to contribute or raise for the campaign. Marc, we'd especially like your perspective on adopting this policy.. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Huma Abedin wrote: That would be helpful. Sent from my iPhone - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Apr 14, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Robby Mook wrote: Not to get too processy...but could you, me, Podesta, Tony, (and Huma if possible) and someone from comms do a quick 10 min call on this? We'll finalize a decision. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Karuna Seshasai < kseshasai@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: Wanted to follow back up on this. We're consistently flagging more FARA registrants daily. In terms of # - we're at 27 out of 370 prospective bundlers - but to Jesse's question - that does not represent the costs of how much these folks would likely raise. If we were looking at these folks below on a case by case basis, I'd want to specifically raise: Tony Podesta (Iraq, Azerbaijan, Egypt), Ben Barnes (Libya), John Merrigan (UAE), Wyeth Weidman (Libya), and Mike Driver (UAE connections). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Karuna Seshasai < kseshasai@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: Yes, it's attached and also copied/pasted below. This is only 23 names of the first 350 prospective bundlers we looked at pre-launch. I anticipate more coming down the pipeline. *First Name* *Last Name* *FARA Registered Agent* *Client (if listed)* Imaad Zuberi Beltway Government Strategies Inc (Zuberi is a Partner) Office of the Monitoring MP for the Ministry of External Affairs, Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (8/14/14 - Current) Anthony "Tony" Podesta The Podesta Group Republic of Iraq (2/28/13 - Current); Embassy of the Republic of Azerbaijan (1/31/13 Current); Republic of Cyprus (11/13/12 - Current); Republic of Kosovo (3/13/12 - Current); Republic of Albania (4/15/11 - Current); Republic of India (10/8/10 - Current); National Security Council of Georgia (2/3/10 - Current); Hong Kong Trade Dvelopment Council (4/20/09 - Current); The Government of the Arab republic of egypt (4/1/09 - Current, previously 5/18/07- 6/30/07) PLM Group, LLC (9/27/07- 3/1/09); Podesta Associates, Inc (2/17/94- 2/10/95) Ben Barnes Ben Barnes Group for National Board The Following Up and Recovering of the Libyan Looted and Disguised Funds of the Transitional Government of Libya, through Washington African Consulting Group, Inc (12/3/14 - Current); and Sharp & Barnes LLP for The Republic of Colombia Federacion Nacional de Departamentos (8/31/10 - Current); and Alcalde & Fay (10/21/94- 2/12/96) Heather Podesta Heather Podesta Taipei Economic and Cultural representative Office in the U.S. (5/15/12 - Current) Hon. Ronnie Shows AUX Initiatives LLC Dr Bashir Musa (8/18/14- Current) John Breaux Patton Boggs The Kurdistan regional Government (5/18/14 - Current), Government of the Republic of Cyprus (8/4/09 -10/31/11), Embassy of India, Embassy of the Republic of Peru, Government of the Republic of Cyprus (10/20/08- 10/31/11), (9/25/07- 10/31/11), (2/27/07- 10/31/11); and Breaux Lott Leadership Group for Government of Taiwan, Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office (5/21/09-5/11/10) John Merrigan DLA Piper LLP Presidential Campaign of Hipolito Mejia; Embassy of the UAE (1/30/12 - Current), Embassy of the UAE; Executive Office of Dubai; Government of Turkey; Government of Ethiopia; Senado de Maxico; Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Prime Minister and Vice President of the UAE, Sheikh Hamdan Bin Rashid AL Maktoum, Minister of Finance and Industry of the UAE, the Executive Office (12/15/08 - Current), Executive Office of Dubai; Government of Turkey; Government of Ethiopia; Senado de Maxico; Borse Dubai Limited; Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Prime Minister and Vice President of the UAE, Sheikh Hamdan Bin Rashid AL Maktoum, Minister of Finance and Industry of the UAE, the Executive Office (6/26/08 - Current), (11/2/07, 5/10/07, 12/8/06, 11/20/06, 5/4/06); and Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard, McPherson & Hand, Chartered for (3/6/02, 4/26/01, 12/16/98, 10/3/97, 12/5/95, 6/2/95, 9/19/88, 8/5/85- 6/3/94) Jonathon Jones Peck Madigan Jones Embassy of New Zealand (6/10/13 - Current), ProExport Colombia (4/22/11- 10/31/11) Michael Smith Cornerstone Governmen Affairs, LLC Justice Equality Movement Embassy of the Republic of Korea (1/16/15 - Current), LNG Allies Inc (7/2/14 - Current), Embassy of the Republic of Korea (3/7/14 - Current) Paul Brathwaite Podesta Group Embassy of Japan, Federal Republic of Somalia (9/16/13 - Current), Republic of Albania; National Security Council of georgia; Embassy of Japan (7/29/11- 6/30/12), Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt (4/1/09- 12/31/10) and PLM Group for Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt (4/24/08- 3/1/09) Thomas Daschle Daschle Group Taipei Economic and cultural representative Office (*3/16/15 - Current)* Wyeth Wiedeman Ben Barnes Group National Board for the Following Up and Recovering of the Libyan Looted and Disguised Funds of the Transitional Government of Libya, through Washington African Consulting Group, Inc (12/3/14 - Current); and Sharp & Barnes LLP for The Republic of Colombia Federacion Nacional de Departamentos (2/2/11- 11/1/11) Larry Rasky Rasky Baerlein Strategic Communications Socialist Party of Albania (3/29/2010 - 9/22/2010) and Serbia Investment and Export Promotion Agency (10/26/2008 - 9/22/2010) David Castagnetti Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti Embassy of Panama (5/24/11 - 5/15/12); Province of Alberta Canada (3/20/13- 6/1/13) Gerald Cassidy Cassidy & Associates (10/4/07- 12/31/10; 8/27/91- 12/1/00; 6/4/84- 11/2/84) Gov. Jim Blanchard DLA Piper US LLP (11/25/1991- 12/09/1992; 4/14/2009- 9/15/2010) James "Jimmy" Ryan Elmendorf Ryan Colombian Foreign Investment and Export Promotion Agency (4/21/11 -10/13/11) John Quinn Quinn Gillespie & Associates Japan External Trade Organization; Shining Prospect; Government of Macedonia; Government of Republika Srpska (3/17/09 - 10/1/11); Shining Prospect, Government of Macedonia, Government of Republika Srpska (2/19/09); (6/20/07, 6/1/06, 12/22/04- 6/30/05) Kelly Bingel Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti) Embassy of Panama (5/24/11- 5/15/12), Province of Alberta Canada (3/20/13- 6/1/13 Mike Driver Squire Patton Boggs Al-Hamar Trading Group (6/21/12- 6/26/13); (6/16/03- 12/31/05) Norm Brownstein Brownstwin Hyatt Farber Schreck (7/2/07- 10/17/07) Steve Elmendorf Elmendorf Ryan Colombian Foreign Investment and Export Promotion Agency (4/21/11- 10/13/11) Vic Fazio Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld Hong kong Trade Development Council (2/21/12; 6/24/05); and Clark & Weinstock (1/26/05- 5/31/05), (9/10/01- 6/30/03) On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Dennis Cheng wrote: Karuna, can you recirculate the list of foreign agents that we know of so far? It's not a huge # in terms of the # of people - but it does include people we are close with like Tony Podesta, DLA Piper, etc. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Jesse Ferguson < jferguson@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: Is there anyway to ballpark what percent of our donor base this would apply to (aka how much money we're throwing away) Cost benefits are easier to analyze with the costs. :) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Marc Elias wrote: This is really a straight up political call. One middle option is to take case by case. If, for example, they are FARA registered for Canada, we may not case. If for N. Korea we would. But really comm's call. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Karuna Seshasai < kseshasai@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: + Nick and Beth. Want to add that these folks can also be divided into two categories - those who lobbied while HRC was at State and those who are currently registered. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Dennis Cheng wrote: We really need make a policy decision on this soon - whether we are allowing those lobbying on behalf of foreign governments to raise $ for the campaign. Or case by case. -- *Dennis Cheng* National Finance Director Hillary for America dcheng@hillaryclinton.com -- Jesse F. Ferguson Deputy National Press Secretary and Senior Spokesman Hillary for America @JesseFFerguson Gchat: Jfferg -- *Dennis Cheng* National Finance Director Hillary for America dcheng@hillaryclinton.com
The Following Up and Recovering of the Libyan Looted and Disguised Funds of the Transitional Government of Libya, through Washington African Consulting Group, Inc (12/3/14 - Current); and Sharp & Barnes LLP for The Republic of Colombia Federacion Nacional de Departamentos (8/31/10 - Current); and Alcalde & Fay (10/21/94- 2/12/96) Hillary's GOP Muslim Brotherhood of ISIS, has got your back!
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7176 Wikileaks - Re Julie Re: Julie From: cheryl.mills@gmail.com k - - - - - - - - - - On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Podesta wrote: Saw her pic in this or last weeks Enquirer. Probably need to revisit our Whitehaven conversation. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = It appears "Julie" refers to Julie McMahon, aka The Energizer. http://nypost.com/2016/05/29/meet-bill-clintons-very-good-friend-behind-energizer-rumor/ By Doree Lewak By Ben Ashford In Chappaqua Posted on August 15, 2014 It is interesting — and an indictment of the MSM — that a lowly supermarket tabloid once again has bravely gone where the MSM fear to tread. The tabloid is The National Enquirer. Recall that in 2008, when former Democratic senator (NC) and John Kerry’s VP runningmate John Edwards was gunning to be his party’s presidential nominee, the Enquirer alone doggedly investigated and uncovered Edwards’ adultery with political groupie Rielle Hunter and their “love child.” For that, the Enquirer, justly, was nominated for the prestigious Pulitzer journalism award. The latest Enquirer scoop concerns former president Bill Clinton’s financial dealings with his rumored long-time mistress. In his new book, The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal Hidden Lives of the Presidents, former Wall Street Journal reporter Ronald Kessler gives readers a look inside the private lives of politicians as told by the Secret Service agents assigned to protect them. According to Kessler, Bill Clinton is an unrepentant and unreformed philanderer with a long-time mistress whom the Secret Service nicknamed “the Energizer” — a sly reference to her indefatigable sexual appetite? Reportedly, a “family member” of the woman has identified her to be 54-year-old blonde and wealthy divorcée Julie Tauber McMahon. Radar Online says McMahon has denied a romantic relationship with the 67-year-old Clinton, insisting the two are “just friends,” but the two are rumored to be in an extramarital affair for more than a decade. Steve Herz reports for The National Enquirer, Aug. 14, 2014, that the latest Bill Clinton cheating scandal has exploded with a new twist – he may have awarded his on-off mistress’ company a $2 million grant through his non-profit Clinton Foundation’s Clinton Global Initiative. The recipient of the $2 million “green” grant is Nebraska-based Energy Pioneer Solutions, where McMahon serves as an executive officer and director. The Enquirer discovered the grant buried in an official document released by the Clinton Foundation in 2010. Since FOTM readers have scoffed at using the Enquirer as a source, I made an effort to independently — and successfully — verify the tabloid’s claim. To begin, what is Energy Pioneer Solutions, Inc? This is what Bloomberg Businessweek says about the company (you can also read what the company says about itself on its About Us page): Businessweek identifies Julie McMahon as Energy Pioneer Solutions’ executive officer and director. And here’s confirmation, from the Clinton Foundation‘s Press Release page, of the $2 million grant awarded to McMahon’s company: Kim Samuel-Johnson commits $2 million to support the work of Energy Pioneer Solutions, a company founded to deliver energy savings to communities in rural America. This service will allow customers in three Nebraska towns to cover the costs of energy-smart retrofits to their homes by paying for them with a portion of their annual energy savings. It will strive to fundamentally transform the way energy efficiency services are delivered to ratepayers by making retrofit assessments and implementation significantly faster and therefore accessible to more people. Energy Pioneer Solutions will work with 19 nonprofits and 6 local religious institutions to identify families that would benefit most from saving money by saving energy. While there is no evidence there was anything illegal about the grant, given the rumors of Bill’s affair with McMahon, the grant is redolent with the stench of conflict of interest. A source told the Enquirer, “If Hillary runs for president all this stuff will come under a microscope” — as it should. ~Eowyn It looks like Bill may have moved to Chappaqua so he could have some convenient pussy nearby. Directing charity money to support his pussy habit? That Alpha male dog.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest• A 12-year old girl arrested and handcuffed for eating one French fry on the Washington subway system.
#3. To: misterwhite (#1)
That happened in 2000. 16 years ago.
#7. To: Deckard (#3)
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Yeah - one frigging french fry - good grief!
#8. To: Gatlin (#7)
#9. To: Deckard (#8)
…engaging in "yellow journalism".
Why?
Because you don't like the message.
#11. To: Gatlin (#9)
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They were only used to elicit sympathy for the author’s agenda.
#12. To: Deckard (#11)
You must be joking - the story is completely factual
There is nothing to joke about.
The story is not COMPLETELY factual.
Here are the COMPLETE facts: Signs warning that it is illegal to eat or drink on the cars and in the stations are posted in the Metro system. Ansche Hedgepeth told the police she knew she wasn’t supposed to eat in the station but didn’t think she would get arrested. Commuter complaints about unlawful eating on Metro cars and in stations led McDevitt to mount an undercover crackdown on violators. A dozen plainclothes officers cited or arrested 35 people, 13 of them juveniles. Only one adult was arrested.
Your article presented only partial information to solicit sympathy. That is yellow journalism and I don’t give a shit that you think my pounding on your "yellow journalism" article is getting tiresome. As long as you continue to post it, I will continue to point out the errors.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94999&page=1.
#13. To: Gatlin (#12)
Commuter complaints about unlawful eating on Metro cars and in stations led McDevitt to mount an undercover crackdown on violators. A dozen plainclothes officers cited or arrested 35 people, 13 of them juveniles.
#14. To: Deckard (#13)
Commuter complaints about unlawful eating on Metro cars and in stations led McDevitt to mount an undercover crackdown on violators. A dozen plainclothes officers cited or arrested 35 people, 13 of them juveniles.
Nope, that’s not the problem in a nutshell.
#16. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#14)
" no passenger should find it necessary to sit next to a person eating surströmming or any of the other most putrid smelling foods in the world. "
#18. To: Stoner, Deckard (#16)
(Edited)
I have never heard of putrid smelling french fry's. ???
The answer is 'tastes and smells like dung'
http:// blogelicious.blogspot.com/search/label/Customer%20Service. We were sitting down to a meal that included some oven chips (ok ok that was our first mistake !)....my wife thought she could smell something bad..... when she put a chip in her mouth she had to immediately spit it out. It smelled (and tasted (briefly)) absolutely vile ! It smelled like a mixture of sh&t and halitosis.
https://www.avforums.com/threads/rotten-chips.932980/. The Canary Clan is charged with the responsibility to search impartially for the facts or actualities of a subject or situation. It is eminently qualified to perform this charge by devoting considerable time, deep reflection, careful deliberation, and serious consultation to approach decisions without any particular ideology or agenda. The Canary Clan has a commitment to respect precedent, fairness and a determination to faithfully present the facts.
Long live freedom of speech, long live the Canary Clan and God Bless America!
#20. To: Gatlin, Stoner (#18)
you may also have never had the usage difference between ignorant and uninformed explained. There is a difference, I will explain it for you. In ordinary usage one is considered a put down and the other is considered a statement of fact. So, I ask: Are you simply ignorant or just uninformed when you have never heard of something that actually exists?
#24. To: Deckard (#20)
Who the hell are you to lecture posters here and try to make yourself seem more important than you actually are?
#28. To: GrandIsland, Trump legalize drugs, medicinal marijuana (#24)
#29. To: hondo68 (#28)
Apr 14, 1990
#30. To: nolu chan, Trump a Paultard, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#29)
(Edited)
news.google.com/newspaper...BAJ&pg=2452,5961567&hl=en
#31. To: hondo68 (#30)
I wonder if The Donald became a libertarian during Ron Paul's '88 presidential run under the Libertarian Party banner?
#33. To: nolu chan, heroin Trump (#31)
Hillary is corrupt.
#34. To: hondo68 (#33)
Yes, the Chicago Tribune story about Trump wanting to legalize all drugs is true.
From: Dennis Cheng
Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Foreign registered agents
To: Marc Elias , Robby Mook < re47@hillaryclinton.com>
Cc: Karuna Seshasai , Huma Abedin < ha16@hillaryclinton.com>, Jesse Ferguson , Kristina Schake , Tony Carrk < tcarrk@hillaryclinton.com>, Rebecca Leal , Nicholas Pancrazio , Beth Jones < bjones@hillaryclinton.com>, John Podesta
*Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:38 AM
*To:* Robby Mook
*Cc:* Dennis Cheng; Karuna Seshasai; Huma Abedin; Jesse Ferguson; Kristina Schake; Tony Carrk; Rebecca Leal; Nicholas Pancrazio; Beth Jones; John Podesta
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2015 10:35 PM
*To:* Huma Abedin
*Cc:* Robby Mook; Dennis Cheng; Jesse Ferguson; Marc Elias; Kristina Schake; Tony Carrk; Rebecca Leal; Nicholas Pancrazio; Beth Jones; John Podesta
*Subject:* Re: Foreign registered agents
#35. To: nolu chan, Hillarys GOP ISIS of Lybia, Africa, registered foreign agents (#34)
Ben Barnes Group for National Board
Replies to Comment # 35.
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
Date: 2014-12-28 16:14
Subject: Re: Julie Inside Bill Clinton’s relationship with his ‘very good friend’
NY Post
May 29, 2016 | 9:39am EXCLUSIVE: What Bill Clinton's 'Energizer mistress' looks like today. Family friend seen for first time since revelation his foundation helped her firm
New York For Dailymail.com
Published: 12:42 EST, 20 May 2016
Updated: 18:10 EST, 20 May 2016 Bill Clinton’s Foundation gave $2M grant to his mistress’ company
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