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Title: 12-Year-Old Suspended for a Year After Turning in Knife He Found—It Wasn't Even His
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Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/blog/2016/09/20/ ... d-suspended-for-a-year-after-t
Published: Sep 20, 2016
Author: Robby Soave
Post Date: 2016-09-22 05:37:44 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4264
Comments: 55
Twelve-year-old Kyler Davies found a knife in a leather case inside his backpack. He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along. Kyler was at school—Coldwater Community Schools in Branch County, Michigan—when he discovered the knife. He promptly told a counselor about it. He was suspended for one full year. School officials later decreased the duration of his suspension to 30 days, according to wwmt.com: The issue wasn't just contained to the classroom; it also spilled over on to the football field. Davies tells us the school tried to keep her son from playing football. "The school told me he could not go on their property, he could not play; he can't ride the bus with his team because it's a Coldwater bus," she said. We spoke with Coldwater Rocket Football, the organization that runs the local football program. It is independent of the district and tells us the school wanted the rocket program to kick Kyler off the team, but they refused. Emphasis mine. The school is certainly going to extraordinary lengths to punish a child who did absolutely nothing wrong. On the contrary, he did the right thing. We want kids to feel comfortable talking to adults about difficult or dangerous circumstances. They should feel like they can trust their teachers and counselors. Coldwater is sending the opposite message. The school is teaching children that if they find a knife in school, they should keep it to themselves or pass it off to someone else. Nobody wants to be suspended for weeks for something that wasn't their fault. There's no upside to overreacting about weapons in schools. It's not as if failing to sufficiently punish Kyler is going to result in a sudden increase in knives appearing in backpacks. Coldwater officials have made a really stupid mistake here—no doubt thanks to the district's zero tolerance policy toward weapons. 
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#16. To: Stoner (#15)
I know someone who, after WW2 ended, says he raided the local army surplus yard and found a bazooka. Took it to school for show 'n tell. Do that today and you make worldwide, headline news. Which would be about the bestest "show n tell" any kid could get, right!?
In a better time, such as when I went to school, those with a mind to not being tread upon by authority would organize a "knife in". Everyone bring your knife to school today, if you are sent home YEE HAW. They can't suspend everyone, the school teachers would lose out on their summer vacations, and parents would freak that they have to ask grandma to watch their kids.
Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
How many kids had a dummy grenade? I did, pin and "neutered" firing mechanism still in place. For all intents and purposes, you could not tell if it was real or memorex. I painted it camo, and played with it every time we played cowboys and Indians, or war. My opponents in the Indian wars, always protested that grenades weren't invented yet, but I think they were. James West had that kind of equipment in the Wild Wild West.
Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
As I initially posted, this story stinks. Furthermore, all we've heard is one side -- the school says their policy is not to discuss disciplinary actions. I don't believe the kid never knew the knife was there. I think he took it to school and showed some friends. Something happened and he turned it in. Another article read: "He pulled it out and his counselor was standing there, and he says can I call my mom? And she's like why do you need to call your mom. He says well, I found this, this isn't mine," she said." Odd conversation, yes? Sounds more like he got caught and wanted to call his mom.
That conversation makes sense to me. He wanted to know how the knife was in the backpack and his mom purchased it at Goodwill. He was concerned and wanted an answer from his mom.
Your arguments are an insult to all of humanity! You are the first to believe an account by police without hearing anything from the accused, and the first to doubt an account by an accused, insisting you need to hear the police side of the story as well. You are simply a hypocrite and I've got better things to do than to point this out repeatedly.
I think he gets his jollies as the law and order poster here, and that includes siding with cops 99 percent of the time.
This story sticks, as do most all of the numerous Yellow Journalism articles posted where only one side of the story is told. Needing to learn both sides of a story before passing judgment should never be considered an insult to all of humanity.
Only 99%? You are being generous.
Not me. - Hypocrites like robertpaulsen need to be shot down from time to time. - Bobbie and I go waaaay back to early FR, when be first started to agitprop his communitarian crap. Clowns like him MUST be outed, lest his kind (authoritarian socialists) prevail. -- Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him, Bobbie will revert to his communitarian anti- constitutional roots.
Misterwhite already passed judgement against the kid on comment #4, if not #2, and that was without even hearing the schools side of the story. So hearing both sides of the story is obviously not on his agenda. Accused are always guilty, and in this case, voluntarily reporting the knife earns the kid no leniency. Suspending him for 30 or 90 days from school, adversely impacting his education does the community a fine service, according to him.
Do you believe the story as written in the article?
Some kids in my school had shotguns and rifles on racks in their pickup trucks in the school parking lot and bragged about them to teachers. Of course, I wasn't near rich enough to do the same. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
On that point, I actually agree Trump is an authoritarian. As a life-long super wealthy guy, I don't think he can empathize with the plight of the common person to live under onerous laws and regulations. It's a negative for Trump on my scorecard, but on the other hand, there's a lot of crud in D.C. and that authoritarian streak, which I hope is combined with a corruption-free Trump, will be well applied to make a lot of heads roll starting in 2017. Trump is also a free thinker. If he sees a need to change positions, he'll do it without being restrained by special interests. So maybe with time he'll better recognize the importance of liberty.
Do you believe all articles you read on the internet? My responses to all articles are always based on the assumption that the articles are accurate, unless I say otherwise. I have no time, nor do you, to attempt to verify all articles posted here, and verification is always subjective anyway. If there are more facts that lend evidence to an article being inaccurate, they are welcome. But if we were to consider this story in a hypothetical context, then we can consider all discussion to also be in a hypothetical context, in which case.... any student that voluntarily reports a knife to school authorities should NOT be punished for it. Misterwhite disagrees. Do you disagree also?
Moral: The authorities are not your friends. Unless somebody is about to be killed or seriously injured, always keep your mouth shut. Never volunteer anything.
You carried a rifle around from class to class? Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him, Bobbie will revert to his communitarian anti- constitutional roots. Every contractor, no matter how wealthy, lives under "onerous laws and regulations". I think you're right, and in any case ' "what've we got to lose"?
You carried a rifle around from class to class? I think some schools in the 40's and 50's had shooting as one of the gym class activities, but schools did not provide the rifles. I never saw that but I think I remember archery as one school-sanctioned activity in my time.
As did Trump. Being in the real estate development business, he had a lot of civil court cases to contend with. But having deep pockets, he fought them and won many. A precise, on point argument all by itself.
So, you are admitting that you passed judgment based on the "third-handed" report without even hearing the schools side of the story. And you call misterwhite, a hypocrite? If I knew that a student voluntarily reported a knife he “found” in his backpack and did not know it was that, then the student should of course not be punished. What I don’t know is that it happened the way a third-person reported. Do you believe all articles you read on the internet? Nope, and I am skeptical about this story.
Everyone here passes judgement in one form or another the moment they click the "Reply" link, Gatlin. Don't pretend it ain't so. The judgement I passed was on a school policy, however hypothetical, of punishing an honest student for turning in a knife unknowingly brought to school, a judgement you apparently share with me, but which Misterwhite disagrees.
I agree that an “an honest student” should not be punished for a turning in a knife he “unknowingly brought to school.” Where I disagree is, I will not assume the third-handed report in this article was factual and I will not pass judgment on third-handed reporting.
Stinks, too. I'm convinced the kid knew the knife was there.
That certainly seems rational. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
" You carried a rifle around from class to class? " Yes, I certainly did. When I was in High School, I was in ROTC. As part of that, I was also on the School Rifle Marksmanship Team. In that, I used a Winchester 52D .22 target rifle. When not practicing or participating in a match, those were stored in the School Armory, along with the M-1 Garands. My other extracurricular ROTC activity was on the drill team. For that we were issued brand new 1903 A-1 Springfield rifles, never been issued, came out of a case full of cosmoline. We cleaned them the best we could at school, then took them home to finish the process. We practiced every day after school, so we needed them there, and took them home to practice more there. It was more than just a standard manual of arms. I carried it around at school because the lockers were too short. I had a couple of teachers that enjoyed handling it, while they told old war stories. One morning when I was waiting on the school bus, a city cop pulled up & got out. He asked me about it, and wanted to look at it. Same deal, he told a couple of old war stories while he admired the condition of the rifle. When the bus got there, he handed it back, and said have a good day. People did not freak out about stuff like that back then. Things were different in those days. Sadly, those days are long gone. I am fortunate that I got to experience life then. Me & my Dad always intended to get some 30-06 shells and take it out to a range & try it out. I wish we had. I sure wish we could have bought that 03, it was really cherry. I hope it got sold through CMP and ended up in good hands. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
LOL, yeah. I bet you have a couple now. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Actually the assholes at that school taught the kid a valuable lesson; that no good deed goes unpunished. Never give up a good knife that fortune drops in your lap. And never expect self rightious control freaks to be grateful about anything. I'm going to take a wild guess that you're among the suburban pussy herd for whom it was never common to see shotguns in the gun racks of trucks in the school parking lot during goose / duck / pheasant season.... Run along now and obey your masters. They might not feed you otherwise!
So this kid also had a shotgun in the gun rack of his truck? Is he even old enough to drive?
Bullshit! You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain. Actually what this 7-year old had in his pick-up was not a shotgun. It was a bazooka.
That true, Gatlin?
That true, Gatlin? Decide for yourself. 7th-Grader Suspended for Gun Shaped Keychain You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain. BULLSHIT! I merely showed you that while something may look “like a miniature toy gun” it can instead be a fully functional firearm….like the SwissMiniGun C1ST shown here: What you’re looking at here is the world smallest revolver that can be attached to a keychain. While it may look like a harmless toy, just stick a few bullets into the .7 inch barrel and it becomes a fully functional firearm. The company will make whatever the customer wishes for. The most expensive version sold was covered in diamonds and came with a gold chain. As I remember, asshole, I also posted a picture of a “miniature toy gun” and a “miniature real gun” and ask you to tell the difference….you could not. You may assume while looking at a miniature gun that it is harmless….others will have enough intelligence to make no such assumption.
Compare that with the image of the trinket the kid was suspended for. No working parts, die-cast, incapable of doing anything other than making hoplophobes like you wet their panties. You may assume while looking at a miniature gun that it is harmless….others will have enough intelligence to make no such assumption. That you claim to be intelligent in any way is seriously belied by your posting history at LP and here. I merely showed you that while something may look “like a miniature toy gun” Compare that with the image of the trinket the kid was suspended for. I don’t have to do that and some school teacher totally unqualified to do so should not have to do that either. That is why a school board can establish a policy that no guns, including miniature toy replica guns or miniature real guns, are allowed on campus. And when that policy is posted, it is expected to be adhered to.
Good grief - a five year old could look at that trinket and be able to discern it's not a real gun. That is why a school board can establish a policy that no guns, including miniature toy replica guns or miniature real guns, are allowed on campus. You're all for that? How about suspending a kid for drawing a gun? I'm sure you can make a case for suspending a kid for …writing about killing a neighbor's pet dinosaur with a gun, right? After all such thoughts should be curtailed in a free society - imagination and creativity have no place in the I bet you even applauded the school that suspended a kid for chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun. Yeah - that really happened. God only knows where that type of anarchism may lead. Your irrational fear of toys and drawings is not very manly Major. I'm guessing you'd suspend a kid for even thinking about guns. Good greif, man….knowing the idiots that our school systems turn out today, I would say a majority of the teachers would look at the gun above and think it is a toy. So, If one kid is allowed to bring a miniature toy gun to class, then the thirty other students can also bring miniature toy guns to class. So the unqualified teacher then takes a great portion if no all of the first period looking at each to see which if it is a toy or if one or more may be real. Is that what you want to happen? It looks that way. Rules are made for a reason. If the rules don’t fit….then change the rules. A student does not have the right to selectively and arbitrarily disobey a rule without suffering a consequence. I realize that you libertaturds have a hard time understanding this….but that is the way it works.
A car is a deadly weapon. Should they be banned from schools - what sayeth the Whiteherd community association?
#17. To: Deckard (#3)
#18. To: Pinguinite (#16)
(Edited)
#19. To: Pinguinite (#11)
"What kind of message does it send to suspend a student for 30 days because he voluntarily reported a knife he accidentally brought to school?"
#20. To: misterwhite (#19)
"He pulled it out and his counselor was standing there, and he says can I call my mom? And she's like why do you need to call your mom. He says well, I found this, this isn't mine," she said."
#21. To: misterwhite (#19)
#22. To: Pinguinite (#21)
#23. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite (#21)
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#22)
I think he gets his jollies as the law and order poster here, and that includes siding with cops 99 percent of the time.
#25. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite, and his clown clan buddies. (#21)
You (misterwhite) are simply a hypocrite and I've got better things to do than to point this out repeatedly.
#26. To: Gatlin (#23)
Needing to learn both sides of a story before passing judgment should never be considered an insult to all of humanity.
#27. To: Pinguinite (#26)
#28. To: Stoner (#15)
#29. To: tpaine (#25)
Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him,
#30. To: Gatlin (#27)
Do you believe the story as written in the article?
#31. To: Deckard (#0)
#32. To: Stoner (#15)
I also carried a US issue 1903A1 Rifle to school, 5 days a week, from class to class
#33. To: Pinguinite (#29)
On that point, I actually agree Trump is an authoritarian. As a life-long super wealthy guy, I don't think he can empathize with the plight of the common person to live under onerous laws and regulations.
It's a negative for Trump on my scorecard, but on the other hand, there's a lot of crud in D.C. and that authoritarian streak, which I hope is combined with a corruption-free Trump, will be well applied to make a lot of heads roll starting in 2017. --- Trump is also a free thinker. If he sees a need to change positions, he'll do it without being restrained by special interests. So maybe with time he'll better recognize the importance of liberty.
#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
#35. To: tpaine (#33)
Every contractor, no matter how wealthy, lives under "onerous laws and regulations".
I think you're right, and in any case ' "what've we got to lose"?
#36. To: Pinguinite (#30)
Misterwhite already passed judgement against the kid on comment #4, if not #2, and that was without even hearing the schools side of the story. So hearing both sides of the story is obviously not on his agenda.
… any student that voluntarily reports a knife to school authorities should NOT be punished for it. Misterwhite disagrees. Do you disagree also?
Do you believe the story as written in the article?
#37. To: Gatlin (#36)
So, you are admitting that you passed judgment based on the "third-handed" report without even hearing the schools side of the story.
#38. To: Pinguinite (#37)
The judgement I passed was on a school policy, however hypothetical, of punishing an honest student for turning in a knife unknowingly brought to school, a judgement you apparently share with me, but which Misterwhite disagrees.
#39. To: Gatlin (#23)
"This story sticks"
#40. To: Pinguinite (#30)
" My responses to all articles are always based on the assumption that the articles are accurate, unless I say otherwise. I have no time, nor do you, to attempt to verify all articles posted here, and verification is always subjective anyway. If there are more facts that lend evidence to an article being inaccurate, they are welcome. "
#41. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
" I also carried a US issue 1903A1 Rifle to school, 5 days a week, from class to class "
#42. To: no gnu taxes (#28)
" I wasn't near rich enough to do the same. "
#43. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
What lesson did this kid learn from the system? Do the right thing and get punished. I'm sure the rest of the kids learned the same lesson by observation.
#44. To: misterwhite (#4)
He brought a knife to school. He was suspended for 30 days. Seems fair.
#45. To: VxH (#44)
"I'm going to take a wild guess that you're among the suburban pussy herd for whom it was never common to see shotguns in the gun racks of trucks in the school parking lot during goose / duck / pheasant season...."
#46. To: Gatlin, Pinguinite (#38)
I agree that an “an honest student” should not be punished for a turning in a knife he “unknowingly brought to school.”
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#47. To: misterwhite (#45)
So this kid also had a shotgun in the gun rack of his truck? Is he even old enough to drive?
#48. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#46)
You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain.
#49. To: Pinguinite, Gatlin (#48)
(Edited)
You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#50. To: Deckard (#46)
I agree that an “an honest student” should not be punished for a turning in a knife he “unknowingly brought to school.” Bullshit!
#51. To: Gatlin (#50)
I merely showed you that while something may look “like a miniature toy gun”
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#52. To: Deckard (#51)
#53. To: Gatlin (#52)
(Edited)
I don’t have to do that and some school teacher totally unqualified to do so should not have to do that either
public schools government indoctrination centers. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#54. To: Deckard (#53)
#55. To: misterwhite (#45)
So this kid also had a shotgun in the gun rack of his truck? Is he even old enough to drive?
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