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Title: 12-Year-Old Suspended for a Year After Turning in Knife He Found—It Wasn't Even His
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Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/blog/2016/09/20/ ... d-suspended-for-a-year-after-t
Published: Sep 20, 2016
Author: Robby Soave
Post Date: 2016-09-22 05:37:44 by Deckard
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Views: 4228
Comments: 55
Twelve-year-old Kyler Davies found a knife in a leather case inside his backpack. He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along. Kyler was at school—Coldwater Community Schools in Branch County, Michigan—when he discovered the knife. He promptly told a counselor about it. He was suspended for one full year. School officials later decreased the duration of his suspension to 30 days, according to wwmt.com: The issue wasn't just contained to the classroom; it also spilled over on to the football field. Davies tells us the school tried to keep her son from playing football. "The school told me he could not go on their property, he could not play; he can't ride the bus with his team because it's a Coldwater bus," she said. We spoke with Coldwater Rocket Football, the organization that runs the local football program. It is independent of the district and tells us the school wanted the rocket program to kick Kyler off the team, but they refused. Emphasis mine. The school is certainly going to extraordinary lengths to punish a child who did absolutely nothing wrong. On the contrary, he did the right thing. We want kids to feel comfortable talking to adults about difficult or dangerous circumstances. They should feel like they can trust their teachers and counselors. Coldwater is sending the opposite message. The school is teaching children that if they find a knife in school, they should keep it to themselves or pass it off to someone else. Nobody wants to be suspended for weeks for something that wasn't their fault. There's no upside to overreacting about weapons in schools. It's not as if failing to sufficiently punish Kyler is going to result in a sudden increase in knives appearing in backpacks. Coldwater officials have made a really stupid mistake here—no doubt thanks to the district's zero tolerance policy toward weapons. 
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
The school officials are obviously STUPID ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Bullshit. The kid gets a backpack and doesn't check it out? If nothing else, to see if the previous owner left anything inside -- maybe money? Then he loads it with books and school supplies and still doesn't notice the knife? Something isn't right.
Bullshit. The kid turned the knife in, and you want to see him suspended from school? You zero-tolerance fascists are despicable. He brought a knife to school. He was suspended for 30 days. Seems fair. Had he found the knife on the playground and turned it in, that would be different.
He didn't know it was in the backpack you blithering ninny. That's even worse. Suppose some other student went into his backpack, discovered the knife, and injured someone. Because he didn't know, I'd suspend him for 90 days. But the next time I'm stopped by the cops with a kilo of coke in the trunk I'll simply tell them, "I didn't know". That'll work, huh?
No, you will proudly tell them : " Do your duty, take me to jail, oh, and kick my ass, because it is the law ". Then if they did not kick it enough, you will be pissed, and scream " you candy ass mo fo, fuck you, you do not deserve to be a cop". You will then kick them & take a swing at them. You thought they were your buddies. You should have remembered to take that coke out of your trunk. LOL Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
This nation is becoming filled with hysterical psychotic half-wits determined to impose their condition on the people around them. And they are all voting for Hillary.
Yeah, imagine that. He could have traded it for some crack & weed while on the playground. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
What lesson did this kid learn from the system? Do the right thing and get punished. I'm sure the rest of the kids learned the same lesson by observation.
Your displayed lack of common sense strains believability. You have bragged about how harsh prison sentences are needed to send the right message. What kind of message does it send to suspend a student for 30 days because he voluntarily reported a knife he accidentally brought to school? The inane message being broadcast by the school authorities is that any student who turns in a knife will be suspended. So if anyone else should accidentally bring one to school, he should either keep it hidden and take it back home, or perhaps hide it somewhere, maybe throw it in the bathroom trash, the latter solution being the worst, as then some other student will find it which will, quite naturally, cause him to turn into a raving lunatic and start attacking everyone he sees. Because that's what knives do. And if a student finds one in the playground, do you really think the smart thing to do will be to pick it up and turn it in? Hell no! A student doing that will be seen by other students in the school on his way to the principal's office and would be stopped by a teacher before he gets there, and then who's gonna believe him when he says he found it in the playground? And even if they did, they'll admonish him for picking it up and bringing it into the building and suspend him for a few months or a year. And don't even try to stupidly pretend that wouldn't happen. If you're going to say that bringing knives to school should be prohibited (something I myself certainly did, openly, with a retractable knife in a belt looped sheath when I was in high school) then fine, whatever. But it should also come with an amnesty program where anyone voluntarily turning in a knife is not punished. Otherwise, you encourage students who accidentally bring knives to school to keep them hidden or place them in the trash or elsewhere, which is NOT supposed to be what's encouraged.
How often do you carry a kilo of coke in your trunk? Is this a common issue for you? ***If we really want to be great again, go ask Uncle Sam to get back on our side of the border, get out of our wallets, get out of our papers and property, get out of our bodies, and get out of our way.*** “Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.” ― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
BINGO !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
When did Kyler first discover the knife? When he discovered the knife, where was he at?
From the time I was in the 7th grade, I always carried a pocket knife. I even had a switchblade for a few years, and carried it. Hell, from the 10th grade to graduation, I also carried a US issue 1903A1 Rifle to school, 5 days a week, from class to class, and on the school bus. Those were the days. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I know someone who, after WW2 ended, says he raided the local army surplus yard and found a bazooka. Took it to school for show 'n tell. Do that today and you make worldwide, headline news. Which would be about the bestest "show n tell" any kid could get, right!?
In a better time, such as when I went to school, those with a mind to not being tread upon by authority would organize a "knife in". Everyone bring your knife to school today, if you are sent home YEE HAW. They can't suspend everyone, the school teachers would lose out on their summer vacations, and parents would freak that they have to ask grandma to watch their kids.
Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
How many kids had a dummy grenade? I did, pin and "neutered" firing mechanism still in place. For all intents and purposes, you could not tell if it was real or memorex. I painted it camo, and played with it every time we played cowboys and Indians, or war. My opponents in the Indian wars, always protested that grenades weren't invented yet, but I think they were. James West had that kind of equipment in the Wild Wild West.
Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
As I initially posted, this story stinks. Furthermore, all we've heard is one side -- the school says their policy is not to discuss disciplinary actions. I don't believe the kid never knew the knife was there. I think he took it to school and showed some friends. Something happened and he turned it in. Another article read: "He pulled it out and his counselor was standing there, and he says can I call my mom? And she's like why do you need to call your mom. He says well, I found this, this isn't mine," she said." Odd conversation, yes? Sounds more like he got caught and wanted to call his mom.
That conversation makes sense to me. He wanted to know how the knife was in the backpack and his mom purchased it at Goodwill. He was concerned and wanted an answer from his mom.
Your arguments are an insult to all of humanity! You are the first to believe an account by police without hearing anything from the accused, and the first to doubt an account by an accused, insisting you need to hear the police side of the story as well. You are simply a hypocrite and I've got better things to do than to point this out repeatedly.
I think he gets his jollies as the law and order poster here, and that includes siding with cops 99 percent of the time.
This story sticks, as do most all of the numerous Yellow Journalism articles posted where only one side of the story is told. Needing to learn both sides of a story before passing judgment should never be considered an insult to all of humanity.
Only 99%? You are being generous.
Not me. - Hypocrites like robertpaulsen need to be shot down from time to time. - Bobbie and I go waaaay back to early FR, when be first started to agitprop his communitarian crap. Clowns like him MUST be outed, lest his kind (authoritarian socialists) prevail. -- Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him, Bobbie will revert to his communitarian anti- constitutional roots.
Misterwhite already passed judgement against the kid on comment #4, if not #2, and that was without even hearing the schools side of the story. So hearing both sides of the story is obviously not on his agenda. Accused are always guilty, and in this case, voluntarily reporting the knife earns the kid no leniency. Suspending him for 30 or 90 days from school, adversely impacting his education does the community a fine service, according to him.
Do you believe the story as written in the article?
Some kids in my school had shotguns and rifles on racks in their pickup trucks in the school parking lot and bragged about them to teachers. Of course, I wasn't near rich enough to do the same. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
On that point, I actually agree Trump is an authoritarian. As a life-long super wealthy guy, I don't think he can empathize with the plight of the common person to live under onerous laws and regulations. It's a negative for Trump on my scorecard, but on the other hand, there's a lot of crud in D.C. and that authoritarian streak, which I hope is combined with a corruption-free Trump, will be well applied to make a lot of heads roll starting in 2017. Trump is also a free thinker. If he sees a need to change positions, he'll do it without being restrained by special interests. So maybe with time he'll better recognize the importance of liberty.
Do you believe all articles you read on the internet? My responses to all articles are always based on the assumption that the articles are accurate, unless I say otherwise. I have no time, nor do you, to attempt to verify all articles posted here, and verification is always subjective anyway. If there are more facts that lend evidence to an article being inaccurate, they are welcome. But if we were to consider this story in a hypothetical context, then we can consider all discussion to also be in a hypothetical context, in which case.... any student that voluntarily reports a knife to school authorities should NOT be punished for it. Misterwhite disagrees. Do you disagree also?
Moral: The authorities are not your friends. Unless somebody is about to be killed or seriously injured, always keep your mouth shut. Never volunteer anything.
You carried a rifle around from class to class? Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him, Bobbie will revert to his communitarian anti- constitutional roots. Every contractor, no matter how wealthy, lives under "onerous laws and regulations". I think you're right, and in any case ' "what've we got to lose"?
You carried a rifle around from class to class? I think some schools in the 40's and 50's had shooting as one of the gym class activities, but schools did not provide the rifles. I never saw that but I think I remember archery as one school-sanctioned activity in my time.
As did Trump. Being in the real estate development business, he had a lot of civil court cases to contend with. But having deep pockets, he fought them and won many. A precise, on point argument all by itself.
So, you are admitting that you passed judgment based on the "third-handed" report without even hearing the schools side of the story. And you call misterwhite, a hypocrite? If I knew that a student voluntarily reported a knife he “found” in his backpack and did not know it was that, then the student should of course not be punished. What I don’t know is that it happened the way a third-person reported. Do you believe all articles you read on the internet? Nope, and I am skeptical about this story.
Everyone here passes judgement in one form or another the moment they click the "Reply" link, Gatlin. Don't pretend it ain't so. The judgement I passed was on a school policy, however hypothetical, of punishing an honest student for turning in a knife unknowingly brought to school, a judgement you apparently share with me, but which Misterwhite disagrees.
I agree that an “an honest student” should not be punished for a turning in a knife he “unknowingly brought to school.” Where I disagree is, I will not assume the third-handed report in this article was factual and I will not pass judgment on third-handed reporting.
Stinks, too. I'm convinced the kid knew the knife was there.
That certainly seems rational. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest" Coldwater officials have made a really stupid mistake here—no doubt thanks to the district's zero tolerance policy toward weapons. "
#2. To: Stoner (#1)
"Twelve-year-old Kyler Davies found a knife in a leather case inside his backpack. He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along."
#3. To: misterwhite (#2)
"Twelve-year-old Kyler Davies found a knife in a leather case inside his backpack. He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along."
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#4. To: Deckard (#3)
"The kid turned the knife in, and you want to see him suspended from school?"
#5. To: misterwhite (#4)
(Edited)
He brought a knife to school. He was suspended for 30 days. Seems fair.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#6. To: Deckard (#5)
"He didn't know it was in the backpack you blithering ninny."
#7. To: misterwhite (#6)
" the next time I'm stopped by the cops with a kilo of coke in the trunk I'll simply tell them, "I didn't know". That'll work, huh? "
#8. To: Stoner (#1)
The school officials are obviously STUPID !
#9. To: Deckard (#3)
" The kid turned the knife in, "
#10. To: Stoner (#9)
#11. To: misterwhite (#4)
#12. To: misterwhite (#6)
But the next time I'm stopped by the cops with a kilo of coke in the trunk
#13. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
" What lesson did this kid learn from the system? Do the right thing and get punished. I'm sure the rest of the kids learned the same lesson by observation. "
#14. To: Deckard (#0)
He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along.
#15. To: Pinguinite (#11)
#16. To: Stoner (#15)
#17. To: Deckard (#3)
#18. To: Pinguinite (#16)
(Edited)
#19. To: Pinguinite (#11)
"What kind of message does it send to suspend a student for 30 days because he voluntarily reported a knife he accidentally brought to school?"
#20. To: misterwhite (#19)
"He pulled it out and his counselor was standing there, and he says can I call my mom? And she's like why do you need to call your mom. He says well, I found this, this isn't mine," she said."
#21. To: misterwhite (#19)
#22. To: Pinguinite (#21)
#23. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite (#21)
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#22)
I think he gets his jollies as the law and order poster here, and that includes siding with cops 99 percent of the time.
#25. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite, and his clown clan buddies. (#21)
You (misterwhite) are simply a hypocrite and I've got better things to do than to point this out repeatedly.
#26. To: Gatlin (#23)
Needing to learn both sides of a story before passing judgment should never be considered an insult to all of humanity.
#27. To: Pinguinite (#26)
#28. To: Stoner (#15)
#29. To: tpaine (#25)
Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him,
#30. To: Gatlin (#27)
Do you believe the story as written in the article?
#31. To: Deckard (#0)
#32. To: Stoner (#15)
I also carried a US issue 1903A1 Rifle to school, 5 days a week, from class to class
#33. To: Pinguinite (#29)
On that point, I actually agree Trump is an authoritarian. As a life-long super wealthy guy, I don't think he can empathize with the plight of the common person to live under onerous laws and regulations.
It's a negative for Trump on my scorecard, but on the other hand, there's a lot of crud in D.C. and that authoritarian streak, which I hope is combined with a corruption-free Trump, will be well applied to make a lot of heads roll starting in 2017. --- Trump is also a free thinker. If he sees a need to change positions, he'll do it without being restrained by special interests. So maybe with time he'll better recognize the importance of liberty.
#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
#35. To: tpaine (#33)
Every contractor, no matter how wealthy, lives under "onerous laws and regulations".
I think you're right, and in any case ' "what've we got to lose"?
#36. To: Pinguinite (#30)
Misterwhite already passed judgement against the kid on comment #4, if not #2, and that was without even hearing the schools side of the story. So hearing both sides of the story is obviously not on his agenda.
… any student that voluntarily reports a knife to school authorities should NOT be punished for it. Misterwhite disagrees. Do you disagree also?
Do you believe the story as written in the article?
#37. To: Gatlin (#36)
So, you are admitting that you passed judgment based on the "third-handed" report without even hearing the schools side of the story.
#38. To: Pinguinite (#37)
The judgement I passed was on a school policy, however hypothetical, of punishing an honest student for turning in a knife unknowingly brought to school, a judgement you apparently share with me, but which Misterwhite disagrees.
#39. To: Gatlin (#23)
"This story sticks"
#40. To: Pinguinite (#30)
" My responses to all articles are always based on the assumption that the articles are accurate, unless I say otherwise. I have no time, nor do you, to attempt to verify all articles posted here, and verification is always subjective anyway. If there are more facts that lend evidence to an article being inaccurate, they are welcome. "
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