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Title: NYPD Steals $18,000 from Man Because He Was Carrying a Banned Pocket Knife
Source: The Anti-Media
URL Source: http://theantimedia.org/nypd-steals-18000-knife-law/
Published: Sep 16, 2016
Author: Alice Salles
Post Date: 2016-09-17 14:59:03 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 12096
Comments: 50

In the past five years, the New York Police Department has spent $347,000 on false arrest lawsuit settlements. According to the Village Voice, these costs stem from the city’s “gravity knife statute.”

Passed in 1958, the law banned New York residents from carrying knives fitted with blades that fall out of the handle as the user points them toward the ground while pushing the lever. This antiquated law is responsible for thousands of yearly arrests, despite the fact that current knife designs bear no resemblance to the blades of yesteryear.

But estimates suggest that over the past ten years, this particular ban has been the reason for the prosecution of “60,000 New Yorkers … many of them working people who use folding knives as part of their jobs.” A recent incident shows another unintended consequence of upholding the gravity knife statute — one that cost a South Bronx resident $18,000.

In a very public tweet, the NYPD announced Sunday that officers from Police Service Area 7 had “arrested a male for a gravity knife and vouchered $18,000 dollars cash for forfeiture.” The triumphant tweet, The Village Voice pointed out, even “[publicized the prisoner’s] name and address, down to the apartment number.”

Saveknife

By coupling an outdated law with civil asset forfeiture rules — which in New York state, happen to be draconian — officers managed to take advantage of yet another property owner in order to “prop up” the local police budget.

While few details about the arrest were made public, the Village Voice added, many on Twitter commented that the model of knife the arrestee was carryingappear[ed] to be a style often carried by first responders, with a feature designed for safely cutting clothes and tangled seat belts after, say, a car accident.” The news outlet reached out to the NYPD for more information, but officers failed to respond with more details.

The gravity knife ban was tweaked in June when Democrats added an amendment to the state law clarifying “the definition of a gravity knife by excluding any folding knife with a ‘bias toward closure.’” The change has yet to be signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo.

But even if it’s signed, this change to the state law does little to protect the New Yorkers’ constitutional right to own and carry any means of self-defense. Nevertheless, it could help to limit the number of individuals framed by the NYPD over folding knives and pocket knives, which are often “used for work or passed down in a family.”

Even if the tweak to the state’s knife ban is finally signed into law, this measure, alone, will not be enough because the state’s civil asset forfeiture laws remain intact. Until serious criminal justice reforms are passed in the Empire State, New Yorkers will continue to be bullied in the name of policing for profit. (1 image)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

NYPD Steals $18,000 from Man Because He Was Carrying a Banned Pocket Knife

This falsely claims forfeiture due to carrying banned pocket knife.

Cash and other property is seized upon belief that is was involved in an illegal enterprise, such as drug dealing. If the owner can show that he lawfully possessed the money, he may get it back.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-09-17   17:42:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Cash and other property is seized upon belief assumption that is was involved in an illegal enterprise

Fixed it.

Deckard  posted on  2016-09-17   23:55:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#5. To: Deckard (#4)

Cash and other property is seized upon belief assumption that is was involved in an illegal enterprise

Fixed it.

They took the tambourine man's drug money.

As long as you are learning that they due not seize the money because of knife possession, that is progress. If you like the word assumption, they had a reasonable assumption that the mope in the South Bronx housing projects with the $18,000 walking around money possessed dirty money.

The purpose of the civil asset forfeiture law is to separate ill gotten gains from criminals. If the distinguished gentleman in the projects can show this was the day that he inherited $18,000 from his long lost uncle, he can get his money back. Ditto if the tambourine man can show he earned the money busking at the subway station.

No name and few facts are provided.

Here is the U.S. Supreme Court on civil asset forfeiture.

U.S. Supreme Court

Calero-Toledo v. Pearson Yacht Leasing Co., 416 U.S. 663 (1974)

Calero-Toledo v. Pearson Yacht Leasing Co.

No. 73-157

Argued January 7, 1974

Decided May 15, 1974

416 U.S. 663

APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE

DISTRICT OF PUERTO RICO

Syllabus

A pleasure yacht, which appellee had leased to Puerto Rican residents, was seized, pursuant to Puerto Rican statutes providing for forfeiture of vessels used for unlawful purposes, without prior notice to appellee or the lessees and without a prior adversary hearing, after authorities had discovered marihuana aboard her. Appellee was neither involved in nor aware of a lessee's wrongful use of the yacht. Appellee then brought suit challenging the constitutionality of the statutory scheme. A three-judge District Court, relying principally on Fuentes v. Shevin, 407 U. S. 67, held that the statutes' failure to provide for pre-seizure notice and hearing rendered them unconstitutional, and that, as applied to forfeit appellee's interest in the yacht, they unconstitutionally deprived an innocent party of property without just compensation.

Held:

1. The statutes of Puerto Rico are "State statute[s]" for purposes of the Three-Judge Court Act, and hence a three-judge court was properly convened under that Act, and direct appeal to this Court was proper under 28 U.S.C. § 1253. Pp. 416 U. S. 669-676.

2. This case presents an "extraordinary" situation in which postponement of notice and hearing until after seizure did not deny due process, since (1) seizure under the statutes serves significant governmental purposes by permitting Puerto Rico to assert in rem jurisdiction over the property in forfeiture proceedings, thereby fostering the public interest in preventing continued illicit use of the property and in enforcing criminal sanctions; (2) pre-seizure notice and hearing might frustrate the interests served by the statutes, the property seized often being of the sort, as here, that could be removed from the jurisdiction, destroyed, or concealed, if advance notice were given; and (3), unlike the situation in Fuentes v. Shevin, supra, seizure is not initiated by self-interested private parties, but by government officials. Pp. 416 U. S. 676-680.

Page 416 U. S. 664

3. Statutory forfeiture schemes are not rendered unconstitutional because of their applicability to the property interests of innocents, and here the Puerto Rican statutes, which further punitive and deterrent purposes, were validly applied to appellee's yacht. Pp. 416 U. S. 680-690.

363 F.Supp. 1337, reversed.

BRENNAN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C.J., and WHITE, MARSHALL, BLACKMUN, POWELL, and REHNQUIST, JJ., joined, and in Parts I and II of which STEWART, J., joined. WHITE, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which POWELL, J., joined, post, p. 416 U. S. 691. STEWART, J., filed a separate statement; post, p. 416 U. S. 690. DOUGLAS, J., filed an opinion dissenting in part, in which STEWART, J., joined in part, post, p. 416 U. S. 691.

MR. JUSTICE BRENNAN delivered the opinion of the Court.

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nolu chan  posted on  2016-09-18 02:25:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#4)

"Cash and other property is seized upon belief assumption that is was involved in an illegal enterprise."

How silly is that? Doesn't everyone carry around $18,000 banded into packets?

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